Author Topic: How tight is your oil filter? (Read 3377 times)

Phil G · « **on:** August 09, 2019, 02:59:41 PM »

Maintenance day,
(Weather Inclement)
Dropped the oil took the sump off, (cafe racer), undoing the filter...not tight at all, was nipped up by hand 2yrs ago as per the instructions, fresh filter and check clip now fitted,fresh oil+fired up all Good.
Did the 1000s next ...same thing, check clip, fired and sorted👍

rtbickel · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2019, 03:37:45 PM »

I also tighten by hand and use the venerable hose clamp around the filter base ploy for insurance.

rocker59 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2019, 03:44:39 PM »

Hose Clamps Save Guzzis!

guzzisteve · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2019, 05:08:27 PM »

After I moved to GA I got a call from an old customer bitching about how tight the filter was, HA. No hose clamp needed.

oldbike54 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2019, 05:38:03 PM »

Kind of a personal question isn't it ?

Dusty

80CX100 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2019, 05:39:32 PM »

I used to do my "in the sump" filters just slightly more than hand tight and and then a hose clamp.

Recently I did my first "external" UFI filter with a good filter cap wrench, and I was shocked and surprised how tight I had to do the filter to stop the leaking.

From now on I will be doing all filters internal/external very tight,,,even with hose clamps,,, I think there are probably some hand tightened internal filters out there losing oil pressure, mine included

fwiw ymmv

Kelly

wirespokes · « **Reply #6 on:** August 09, 2019, 07:02:21 PM »

This is the first I've heard of hand tightening the filter. Why would it be any different than automotive applications where it seats, then another 3/4 turn?

guzziownr · « **Reply #7 on:** August 09, 2019, 07:35:46 PM »

Just did this today. Filter needed a bit of force to come off, did the new one the same. Seated and then turned until tight. Hose clamp as per Manfred H.

ohiorider · « **Reply #8 on:** August 09, 2019, 07:36:19 PM »

Does Guzzi publish a torque spec for tightening oil filters? I think I recall using it.
EDIT: Here's what I found looking thru torque specs for my 1200 Sport:
Oil Filter: 15nm or 11.06 lbf - ft
I believe that's what I've used for the past 14 filter changes over the past 68,000 miles and 9 years of ownership.
Seems to work.

lucian · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2019, 07:52:34 PM »

Count me in, must be drop the sump day. Got tired of worrying about the internal filter coming loose( and it was) . So I finally got around to installing the Harpers outsider to the LMIII. A very well made piece . Came complete with gaskets, new bolts of the correct length and even a new filter. I will still probably drop the sump every few seasons to clean the screen and gunk out but will enjoy being able to keep an eye on the now external filter and of course make oil changes easier. Very nice kit Curtis, thank's.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2019, 08:03:44 PM »

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Got tired of worrying about the internal filter coming loose( and it was) .

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Recently I did my first "external" UFI filter with a good filter cap wrench, and I was shocked and surprised how tight I had to do the filter to stop the leaking.

^^^^ Just a couple of "for instances.."
Once people started using outsiders, and could see what was happening.. the fault lies with UFI gaskets. Not to mention leaks at the seams where it is crimped, and paint coming off from poor paint prep.
Just say no. There are plenty of other manufacturers.. <shrug>

wirespokes · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2019, 12:00:20 AM »

How much of a turn from lightly seated does it take to get to 11 foot pounds? That doesn't seem achievable hand tightening.

janguzzi · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2019, 02:13:33 AM »

Handtight is not good enough.
As mentioned before the filters have torque specs - the ones from UFI can be found on the filters cardboard box.

Phil G · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2019, 04:16:08 AM »

Tighten by hand is printed on the cartridge

janguzzi · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2019, 04:47:42 AM »

@ Phil ...your are right (just googled for UFI filter photos)

... nevertheless I think using a torque wrench is better.

Mr Revhead · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2019, 06:42:45 AM »

You can over tighten filters. Especially the ones with square section seals. Can squeeze the seal out of place. GUD had quite the issue with that 15 or so years ago

s1120 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:30:06 AM »

This oil filter thing drives me crazy... What filter, how to tighten, to use a clamp or not... OE filter, tighten to specs, still loose a motor...

So is there a downside to using the clamp? Any reason at all not to?

jwinwi · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:37:26 AM »

Haven't had one come loose...yet

On a somewhat related topic, I've recently started buying HiFlo oil filters partly because they are (German) TUV approved. Do they really test EVERY filter before shipping it? Or do I have that cross-threaded?

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:41:48 AM »

Quote from: s1120 on August 10, 2019, 07:30:06 AM

This oil filter thing drives me crazy... What filter, how to tighten, to use a clamp or not... OE filter, tighten to specs, still loose a motor...

So is there a downside to using the clamp? Any reason at all not to?

Sure, the modern Guzzis with the filter up in a well in the oil pan. There's no way to get a hose clamp on them.. and.. that's when many found the UFI filters leaking. Guzzi even said use a Bosch 3330 at that time. (07)
Using a clamp negates the feature of the trap door in the oil pan, too, on engines so equipped.

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:47:35 AM »

Quote from: s1120 on August 10, 2019, 07:30:06 AM

This oil filter thing drives me crazy... What filter, how to tighten, to use a clamp or not... OE filter, tighten to specs, still loose a motor...

So is there a downside to using the clamp? Any reason at all not to?

It has been known for many years that the internal filter **might** be able to loosen up. There have been heated disagreements regarding the use of a hose clamp. It seems that folks are willing to debate the use of one over 2 dollars and an extra 30 seconds of work. I know of a couple people who experienced a catastrophic failure when a filter came loose. I also know for a fact that a couple of the ones I was aware of were loose knowing full well the competence of the owner. (I am certain it was properly installed in the first place.) I found one loose on my EV and I know it was tight when I installed it. I didn't have a failure thankfully, but I did the hose clamp from then on, and this was after numerous oil changes.

So, is there a downside? Unless you are worried about 2 bucks and 2 minutes, NO. Is your peace of mind worth that much?

John Henry

s1120 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2019, 09:21:06 AM »

Quote from: Zoom Zoom on August 10, 2019, 07:47:35 AM

It has been known for many years that the internal filter **might** be able to loosen up. There have been heated disagreements regarding the use of a hose clamp. It seems that folks are willing to debate the use of one over 2 dollars and an extra 30 seconds of work. I know of a couple people who experienced a catastrophic failure when a filter came loose. I also know for a fact that a couple of the ones I was aware of were loose knowing full well the competence of the owner. (I am certain it was properly installed in the first place.) I found one loose on my EV and I know it was tight when I installed it. I didn't have a failure thankfully, but I did the hose clamp from then on, and this was after numerous oil changes.

So, is there a downside? Unless you are worried about 2 bucks and 2 minutes, NO. Is your peace of mind worth that much?

John Henry

Sounds good to me!! After removing all the bolts, and dropping the pan, a few more seconds to add the clamp is easy..I beleve I have the UNI filter in there now.. That's the OE filter right?? I got it from the dealer. Ill just look at one of the aftermarket ones next time. Thanks

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2019, 10:54:42 AM »

Yes the ufi is the OEM filter. Having said that I would still use a clamp.

ZZ

Darren Williams · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2019, 12:37:00 PM »

So how tight should the hose clamp be?

wirespokes · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2019, 12:46:41 PM »

Quote from: Darren Williams on August 10, 2019, 12:37:00 PM

So how tight should the hose clamp be?

bigbikerrick · « **Reply #24 on:** August 10, 2019, 01:37:54 PM »

Quote from: wirespokes on August 10, 2019, 12:46:41 PM

What about if the hose clamp loosens up? Should we install 2 hose clamps, as a "belt and suspenders" thing? Also, do you install the hose camp near the base of the filter, or right in the middle?

Rick.

lazlokovacs · « **Reply #25 on:** August 10, 2019, 01:44:25 PM »

my filter is a magnet on the underside of my sump as per gregory bender...

works for me!!

Ncdan · « **Reply #26 on:** August 10, 2019, 04:17:53 PM »

I always tighten hand tight on every vehicle and always have to take off with a filter wrench. That tells me the filter tightens itself over time, right?

rocker59 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 10, 2019, 08:20:20 PM »

Quote from: Ncdan on August 10, 2019, 04:17:53 PM

I always tighten hand tight on every vehicle and always have to take off with a filter wrench. That tells me the filter tightens itself over time, right?

Yeah, except for internal filter Guzzis.

Ncdan · « **Reply #28 on:** August 10, 2019, 08:39:38 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on August 10, 2019, 08:20:20 PM

Yeah, except for internal filter Guzzis.

👍yea I remember now with my 04 EV. Had to put a hose clamp on something? It’s been 7 years and I can’t remember exactly but I can’t hardly remember what I did yesterday:(

Ryan · « **Reply #29 on:** August 11, 2019, 05:37:16 PM »

Just changed the oil in my wife's car. Last time, I was traveling for work a lot so she took it to Jiffy Lube. I am home this week, so I took care of it today. The drain plug was so tight, I had to jack the car up high enough so I could get two hands on the wrench. Should have been a clue as to what was to come. I'm a pretty big guy, but I wrapped my paw around that can and it would not budge. Jacked up, two hands, still can't budge it. "Righty tighty, lefty loosey" playing in my head, I slipped my filter wrench over the back of the filter and promptly stripped the end of the can smooth. On to the strap wrench... The filter crushed and collapsed in several places, but finally gave way and spun free. I guess at Jiffy Lube, "tight enough" means friction welded into place, never to be removed by humans.

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