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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2019, 06:08:03 PM »
Here ya go, a real documentary.

https://www.netflix.com/title/81083891

Actually I saw it.  I find it fascinating.

 You are aware that Lazar ran a brothel and has no education as an engineer or scientist , right ?

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« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2019, 08:09:57 PM »
Ford v Ferrari is a "chick flick"..... Yes it is,at least if your chick is a gearhead like my wife is! She absolutely loved it!

The two wives with us liked it too.  Helps open the door for future "guy" movies!   :wink:
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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2019, 10:00:26 PM »
You are aware that Lazar ran a brothel and has no education as an engineer or scientist , right ?

 Dusty

You're right about the brothel and very likely wrong about the rest.  See the documentary you will likely agree.  All three issues are in the documentary.  Actually I am pretty certain about the last two issues and he's open about the brothel. 

And the controversy only makes his case stronger.  Really.

BTW- I heard a similar story from someone from the base 5 years before I heard of Lazar.  I didn't believe it then.  If it isn't true, it's one hell of a hoax for what reason I don't know.  Certainly not to cover stealth or spy planes at the time it all happened.
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2019, 10:05:08 PM »
Maybe I thought I saw it.At the end when Ken Miles dies testing the car they pan up to the sky.Did one of the clouds look like a Chevrolet bow tie.I thought I saw that, but the camera never pans back to the sky again.

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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2019, 10:05:59 PM »
Maybe I thought I saw it.At the end when Ken Miles dies testing the car they pan up to the sky.Did one of the clouds look like a Chevrolet bow tie.I thought I saw that, but the camera never pans back to the sky again.

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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2019, 10:20:04 PM »
I'm not being funny,just thought I saw it. Probably a slight resemblance and I took it differently.Or maybe GM sabotaged the car. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2019, 10:24:09 PM »
The Wizard of Oz was always my favorite documentary. Man, those flying monkeys  :wink:

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« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2019, 07:26:40 AM »
John, there is something wrong with your brain that I really enjoy.

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« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2019, 08:15:00 AM »
John, there is something wrong with your brain that I really enjoy.

You're easily amused.
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« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2019, 08:30:05 AM »
You're easily amused.

Were you born without a sense of humor, or was it surgically removed???
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« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2019, 09:10:09 AM »
Were you born without a sense of humor, or was it surgically removed???

I'll admit that it might take some intellectual motivation to catch my humor.  It might be over your head. 
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2019, 09:20:40 AM »
Went to see "Ford vs. Ferrari" yesterday.  I enjoyed it and 2 1/2 hours of movie had passed before I noticed how long a film it really was.  My favorite part was when Shelby took Henry Ford II for a ride in the GT40.  I can imagine that most people would react in much the same way as Ford did when riding in such a powerful race car with a professional driver at the wheel.  :grin:
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« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2019, 09:59:01 AM »
I'll admit that it might take some intellectual motivation to catch my humor.  It might be over your head.

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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2019, 10:55:16 AM »
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2019, 01:30:40 PM »
Yep , a Hollywood movie . Does anyone think the *Indian* used in the movie about Burt Monro was actually the real bike he rode , or that the rider went almost 200 MPH ? Fact is , with the exception of The Texas Turnip , most folks are not anywhere near as colorful as portrayed in movies .

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The "Indian" was built by the Britten Motorcycle Co.  It was/is down in Invercargill in Hayes Hardware shop (a must see if you are ever down that way while touring NZ :thumb:), along with quite a few other classic collectibles. The uncertainty is because the Sturgess collection of motorcycles is also now down in Invercargill, and as I have yet to see that I can't comment as to whether it has shifted house.  There was a museum in Queenstown that I have been to that had the original, but I think that has closed down.

It has a very similar look to the real thing; I suspect that Britten's metal technology was a bit better than Burt's! :grin:
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« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2019, 02:24:28 PM »
British chassis + Ford heavy metal = Le Mans winner. Plus good old New Zealand Bruce's driving skills. Many years ago I read a book on the GT40 and the thing was they were race tools, and hard to believe they were stacked one on top of another when thier time had passed. The road cars were a homologation afterthought. Basic, sparse, brutal, impractical.
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« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2019, 07:38:02 PM »
I read somewhere that they had to swap fuel tanks every 10 minutes to keep the weight even.  How many gallons to the mile did it do? :grin:
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2019, 05:16:23 AM »
 When you think about, Ferrari was racing many years before Ford, and is still racing...The reality is, no matter how spectacular, Ford was a just a flash of light in comparison...

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« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2019, 09:22:45 AM »
When you think about, Ferrari was racing many years before Ford, and is still racing...The reality is, no matter how spectacular, Ford was a just a flash of light in comparison...

Ferrari never won another LeMans race and stopped competing there after Ford won.
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2019, 12:03:09 PM »
When you think about, Ferrari was racing many years before Ford, and is still racing...The reality is, no matter how spectacular, Ford was a just a flash of light in comparison...

Enzo Ferrari began racing as a driver in 1919 for CMN.  He joined ALFA Romeo in 1920, and was associated with ALFA in various capacities through 1939.  The car company bearing his name dates to 1947.

Henry Ford's racing career dates to 1901 and his win at a race in Grosse Point Michigan of a 10-lap race on a 1-mile track.  There were four GT cars at LeMans in 2016, finishing 1-3-4-10.  So, Ford's very successful racing history spans more than a century.
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #80 on: November 21, 2019, 12:12:32 PM »
Ferrari never won another LeMans race and stopped competing there after Ford won.

 Ferrari had been more interested in f1 than sports cars for years , and that is where there focus has been for the last 50 years .

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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #81 on: November 21, 2019, 12:18:55 PM »
Ferrari had been more interested in f1 than sports cars for years , and that is where there focus has been for the last 50 years .

 Dusty

Yes, while Ford's focus (Haha) has mostly been with NASCAR during the same time.
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« Reply #82 on: November 21, 2019, 01:16:44 PM »
Enzo Ferrari began racing as a driver in 1919 for CMN.  He joined ALFA Romeo in 1920, and was associated with ALFA in various capacities through 1939.  The car company bearing his name dates to 1947.

Henry Ford's racing career dates to 1901 and his win at a race in Grosse Point Michigan of a 10-lap race on a 1-mile track.  There were four GT cars at LeMans in 2016, finishing 1-3-4-10.  So, Ford's very successful racing history spans more than a century.
  Name Ford factory race cars from 1901 to the early 60's...If you say 1957 Nacar you are correct....Other than that????

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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #83 on: November 21, 2019, 04:24:29 PM »
Ferrari had been more interested in f1 than sports cars for years , and that is where there focus has been for the last 50 years .

 Dusty

Good point.   During the F1 "Kit Car" era 1966-1985, the Ford Cosworth DFV V8 won more races in F1 competition than any other engine before or since. 
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari (& other movies)
« Reply #84 on: November 21, 2019, 04:34:04 PM »
I just saw the movie "Midway".  Great movie, I won't go into whether it's a true story but it's got many of the schoolbook facts right.

The CG was the best I've ever seen.  It looked very real.  I think they tried to replicate a lot of stock documentary footage and recreated it.  The result was quite realistic.  There is also a scene with director John Ford filming the actual battle.  Don't get pissed that Woody Harrelson play Adm Nimitz, he's good.   

I thought it was really good.  It's mostly a remake but done quite well.  I thought it was as good as the "Ford" movie that started this thread.
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #85 on: November 21, 2019, 04:37:13 PM »
Good point.   During the F1 "Kit Car" era 1966-1985, the Ford Cosworth DFV V8 won more races in F1 competition than any other engine before or since.

 Yeah , not really a Ford .

 Ferrari is the only constructor in f1 that builds a complete package .

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« Reply #86 on: November 21, 2019, 04:54:00 PM »
Yeah , not really a Ford .

 Ferrari is the only constructor in f1 that builds a complete package .

 Dusty

So has Mercedes since 2010.  But they did buy themselves in by purchasing Illmor and Sauber. 

Ferrari has had some strong associations with Dallara as well. 
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2019, 03:44:56 PM »
FvF kicked Mr Rogers butt this weekend at the theaters. They say there is some Oscar buzz with this movie

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Re: Ford vs Ferrari (& other movies)
« Reply #88 on: November 25, 2019, 03:57:20 PM »
I just saw the movie "Midway".  Great movie, I won't go into whether it's a true story but it's got many of the schoolbook facts right.

The CG was the best I've ever seen.  It looked very real.  I think they tried to replicate a lot of stock documentary footage and recreated it.  The result was quite realistic.  There is also a scene with director John Ford filming the actual battle.  Don't get pissed that Woody Harrelson play Adm Nimitz, he's good.   

I thought it was really good.  It's mostly a remake but done quite well.  I thought it was as good as the "Ford" movie that started this thread.

I don't know how it could be better than the 1976 Midway film, in which they flew actual WWII aircraft and CGI didn't exist...


Well, hopefully the 2019 version left out "Captain Garth".   LOL!
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Re: Ford vs Ferrari
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2019, 04:31:55 PM »
Ferrari never won another LeMans race and stopped competing there after Ford won.
And the number of GP races won by Ford using nearly all components built by Ford itself?

 

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