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Hello and happy holidays,I bought some Motul 7100 10w-60 to replace the no longer available agip product. The Motul is an ester based lube and in the old days you needed to flush out the old mineral based oil before switching to ester. Anyone know if this is still the case?Thanks,Peter
Unless you regularly sit in stop-n-go traffic in sub Sahara Africa XX-60W oil is probably overkill. Lots of folks also lead to believe the higher the cost of the oil the better it is and no way stuff readily avalaible anywhere engine oil s sold can be effective. Fortunately you can find some extremely good oils that meet or exceed manufacturers specs for around $22 a gallon. Also not uncommon to find $10 rebates on these gallons making it extremely cost effective for high quality oil. But if sending $50 to $70 for a gallon of oil give you peace of mind go for it!
I am all ears if you can find oil that exceeds the manufacturers spec for $22/gal. Part of the spec is 10-60 for these Guzzis, 15-50 for my Duc. We can down that diesel oil rabbit hole again.
I have no idea why anyone would think a factory spec in not the one to go with.
The reason 10-60 is required is due to the increased heat due to leaner mixtures required for emissions.The reason for 0 weight oils is due to tighter tolerances and fuel mileage. Race engines are using 0 weight oils due to tighter tolerances and it makes a tick more power.
Not necessary. Drain and fill. If the oil level gets low add any quality oil if your preferred lube is not available.
I stated 60W is probably overkill. Heck the original big & small blocks called for 20W-50 is that because 10W-60 was not a thing yet or did they find that they really require 10W-60? Or was it simpler to have one oil weight across the entire Guzzi lineup? My 1100 Griso spec'ed 10W-60 but other 1100 Guzzis called for 20W-50. They share the same 2v pushrod motor. I'd bet that if you put 15W-50 or 20W-50 in your modern Guzzi there would be absolutly zero negative effect as long as the oil met or exceeded the API, ACEA, ILSAC and/or JASO spec.As for oils labeled as "diesel" or "motorcycle" those are just buzz words on the front of the container. The real info is on the back of the container where the specs are.
I am still looking for that $22/gal 15-50 oil.
The Guzzi gurus all say use 10W60 on late model Guzzi. They have stated why, many times.
Just checked the internet and the price seems to be $3.47 more than when I bought a month ago. I'll have to check instore to veriy the price. Either way the new 2019 rebates are rolled out it'll be less way less than $22 or $25.47 per gallon. Recenlty the rebate was for as much as $15 off a 5 quart jug. Typically its $10.The oil I am refering too meet or exceeds - API SN, SM, SL, SJ ACEA A3/B3 and quality level API CF.
Pete says to use 10W60 in the new Big Blocks and gave a detailed explanation as to why . Always kinda figured he knows more than most of us about these motors than most of us , since it's how he makes his living . Dusty
it would be nice if the oil you're referring to had a name. It should also exceed JASO MA2 and API SG for 15W-50 wt. None was mentioned.
Ask Darren. I think he posted it. Said that the oil light came on when the bike was serviced with 20-50 conventional on one his past CARCs. Light went off when replaced with the right oil. I was skeptical too before he told me. i am not going to screw around with my Ducati over $20 difference.
Peraz----You're all wet. Sorry. You're adding nothing but BS. SG rating is important for legacy motorcycles- that's the standard with high zinc levels (ZDDP). It was obsolete in late model cars with low friction gas mileage engines and catalytic converters but the oil offers less internal protection. The JAS MA2 is likewise motorcycle specific standard.Having said all that, I'm not here to debate which standards are good or bad. I was just calling your bluff if you can tell us what $22 oil meets the weight and standards specified by the manufacturer. I am not here to debate if the standards are correct or not.I am not saying the cheaper oil won't work and provide no problems but that wasn't the question. I know riders that have been using Rotella for years and it might be fine. But I am not taking the risk my Ducati and want SG/MA2 for my other bikes. If you can get 15-50 for $22, let's hear it. Until then, I am done with the conversation.
