Norge Booster Plug , Sprint air filter and snorkel removal

[beetle]

Fairies Nuts.

[John Warner]

Choose to ignore warnings from Pete Roper if you like, it's your Engine after all, and can be replaced, in a year or two (depending on your mileage).

What I can never understand is this;
A Remap can be done by pretty-much anyone that can operate a Laptop, and connect a few plugs.
The Programs required (GuzziDiag, and TunerPro) are free to download.
The Cables to connect Laptop to Bike are around £25-30.
Maps can be had for free.
Even if you had to buy a cheap used Laptop, you'd still have spent less than you would buying one of these poxy 'plug-n-play' things.

Once you've got the above items, you can also do basic Servicing tasks, like resetting the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) after a Throttle Sync/Balance, and check various parameters in real-time.

You can also play around with the Map yourself via the TunerPro program.
For instance, I switched the Fuel delivery off completely on a closed Throttle, above 2750rpm.
Result is stronger Engine Braking, zero popping/banging on the over-run, and a slight improvement in fuel economy.
I also tweaked my Speedo Readout, initially to compensate for the 17" Griso Wheel I fitted to the front of my Stelvio, then later to get the readout spot-on the same as a GPS Speed reading.


Look at it like this, if you had a big Stone in your Boot, making it really uncomfortable to walk, would you;
A. Put on half-a-dozen thick (and expensive) Socks to reduce the discomfort (the Sensor Fooler)
B. Take the Stone out of your Boot (the Re-Map)?

Bit of a no-brainer I'd say

[Huzo]

I’m just perplexed as to why the ultimate solution is there at the end of a keyboard and guys just search for alternatives, then try to convince others.
The Titanic is sinking..
Passenger climbs into a perfectly serviceable life boat and certain salvation.
Another passenger says..
“Why not try MY lifeboat..”
“She’s right mate Van Gogh...”(I got one ‘ere)
“But mate why not try THIS one..”
“Because MY BASTARD WORKS RIGHT NOW”...!
Too cryptic...?

[John A]

I pulled it..
If I keep going, I’m just going to get worse....
I’m comfortable with the fact that I’ve got the best Norge going around and have become uncharacteristicall y smug...
I don’t have to convince any bastard, or prove anything to anyone..(for once)..

That’s what makes it fun, I just want the best running, fastest example of my particular  motorcycle around. I think we all do when we start modifying the damn thing.
There was a saying from drag racing “ who sold you that tune up?”  Usually derogatory in nature.  Bear in mind a tune up is basically the whole engine in that context. I think it applies here as well. It’s all part of the fun

[oldbike54]

 As a general rule , Wild Guzzi is resistant to products that are potentially harmful to a Moto Guzzi . These spoofers are snake oil , once again a 50C resister sold in a fancy package .

 That said , we are all free to do what we want to our own motorbikes , if snake oil makes you happy , then great . If air filters that don't filter are your thing , also your business . I think we are done with this , these discussions never end well , do we all agree ? Good .

 Dusty

[moto-uno]

Gentleman , may I say great to hear from everyone  . "Beetle " I believe it was not too long ago that
it was mentioned and I searched for an Eldorado map and there was remarks concerning damaging the ECU .
If that's changed , goody , I have no problem with the idea of remapping . As mentioned earlier I've spent some
time on dynos ( mostly Power Commanders and a couple of other complete ECU replacements ) , so if you've made
whatever adjustments to your program , I'm game . It's not like we don't have time for the learning curve . Best
Regards to everyone that's responded ,  Peter

[guzzi771]

I appreciate all the reply's advice,tips and warnings of catastropic damage to my Guzzi I'm here to learn all I can about these bikes . I also like to get as many opinions as I can I don't believe everything I read or hear especially on CNN . There is a lot of propaganda out there everyone has a opinion or a agenda and sometimes it's hard to find the truth . I've been racing,riding and working on motocycles since 1972 and have owned more than 50 bikes mostly sportbikes . I just found out last week about the booster plug device some like it some don't the biggest complaint I heard was it make the bike run rich . I put new plugs in the Guzzi and went on a long test ride then did a plug check . The plugs show that it's running more lean than rich so I checked my V7III plugs for comparison they all looked more lean than rich .

[oldbike54]

 Sounds like the computer has already decided the spoofer is lying .

 Dusty

[guzzi771]

Sounds like the computer has already decided the spoofer is lying .

 Dusty

Spark Plugs don't lie

[RinkRat II]

         

Spark Plugs don't lie

    Very true, the single electrode plugs look almost perfect. The dual electrode plugs look a tad lean.

        Paul B
 

[oldbike54]

Spark Plugs don't lie

 No , but spoofers do .

 Dusty

[guzzi771]

 No , but spoofers do .

 Dusty

Well its a damn good lie and I want it to keep lying because the more the spoofer lies  and doesn't run too rich the better my Guzzi runs

[Huzo]

Well its a damn good lie and I want it to keep lying because the more the spoofer lies  and doesn't run too rich the better my Guzzi runs

I’m not baiting you here mate, because I don’t want this thread nuked..
You are adamant that your bike is going well, not overly thirsty and you seem to know your stuff well.
Can you tell me what litres/100 km results you get at 100-120 kph on an average day with no screeching head/tailwinds etc..?
Bear in mind that the on board averagers are not accurate, but the pump reading for litres added will be good.

[guzzi771]

I’m not baiting you here mate, because I don’t want this thread nuked..
You are adamant that your bike is going well, not overly thirsty and you seem to know your stuff well.
Can you tell me what litres/100 km results you get at 100-120 kph on an average day with no screeching head/tailwinds etc..?
Bear in mind that the on board averagers are not accurate, but the pump reading for litres added will be good.

I'm getting 50-55 miles per us gallon at 65-75 mph and the bike runs lean not rich at all

[oldbike54]

Well its a damn good lie and I want it to keep lying because the more the spoofer lies  and doesn't run too rich the better my Guzzi runs

 So what is your connection to the company ?

 Dusty

[Kev m]

Spark Plugs don't lie

Actually absent a plug chop, they do.


No one is saying there aren't lean spots in the map. They're saying they're are also rich spots. Any if you richen everything you risk really over-richening at those points.

Do it again and again, and you may score and score the cylinder, c eventually leading to failure.

It's not instant. And those plugs may burn lean and hot most of the time and show no evidence of what is happening some of the time.

[Gliderjohn]

I also like to get as many opinions as I can I don't believe everything I read or hear especially on CNN . There is a lot of propaganda out there everyone has a opinion or a agenda and sometimes it's hard to find the truth .

Sorry Dusty, as Ron White said..."I have the right to remain silent but I couldn't do it."

Guzzi771:
It appears that you have been listening to the Faux News version of this issue. With all due respect I do not think that you have a realization of the collective wisdom, experience, and knowledge of the people posting replies here. Everyone here is really trying to help you out and your device is really not good for your Guzzi.
GliderJohn

[Huzo]

I'm getting 50-55 miles per us gallon at 65-75 mph and the bike runs lean not rich at all

Well, that is extraordinary.
That being the case, I congratulate you and gently back away rom the till....

[guzzi771]

So what is your connection to the company ?

 Dusty

You got to be shiting me are you serious ?

[oldbike54]

You got to be shiting me are you serious ?

 Look bud , you are claiming a 50 cent resister is making your motorbike get 55-60 MPG and apparently make more HP . If you understood stoichiometry  and what that 50 cent resister is incapable of , you would understand why I am struggling to believe your claims . I know you are calling us purists on another site , and think we are a bunch of numpties ,but trust me , the collective knowledge here is equal to or greater than most places on the internet , we have heard it all and know nonsense when we see it .

 Dusty

[guzzi771]

Look bud , you are claiming a 50 cent resister is making your motorbike get 55-60 MPG and apparently make more HP . If you understood stoichiometry  and what that 50 cent resister is incapable of , you would understand why I am struggling to believe your claims . I know you are calling us purists on another site , and think we are a bunch of numpties ,but trust me , the collective knowledge here is equal to or greater than most places on the internet , we have heard it all and know nonsense when we see it .

 Dusty

Well I don't need your knowledge and I know nonsense and BS when I see it too

[Huzo]

You got to be shiting me are you serious ?

It’s actually got 2 “t’s” in it, but carry on..

[oldbike54]

Well I don't need your knowledge and I know nonsense and BS when I see it too

 

 Dusty

[Perazzimx14]

Guys don't go anywhere I need to microwave another bag of popcorn. With spark plugs being introduced into the conversation it only a matter of time until this drifts into and good ole oil thread.


 :popcorn:Carry on!

[Huzo]

If he’s convinced that it goes better and it doesn’t, he can be accused of being gullible or easily impressed..
Not a crime..
But if he says that it returns 4.2 l/100 k at 100+ kph and it doesn’t..?
He’s a liar.
I’m not prepared to pin that on the guy...
There is a third possibility, maybe it’s all true..?
Don’t eat all that popcorn in one sitting..

[jacksonracingcomau]

If he’s convinced that it goes better and it doesn’t, he can be accused of being gullible or easily impressed..
Not a crime..
But if he says that it returns 4.2 l/100 k at 100+ kph and it doesn’t..?
He’s a liar.
I’m not prepared to pin that on the guy...
There is a third possibility, maybe it’s all true..?
Don’t eat all that popcorn in one sitting..

+1
Thought the same, had to put it in English/Australian mpg __but is impressive
BUT same consumption at 65 as 75 ?
Shouldn’t be

I understand that

ALTHOUGH ... Guzzi engines are designed to run at higher RPM than most people think they are.  My Centauro used to get its best fuel mileage in 4th gear on the highway at 5000 RPM or more, and my Stelvio is happier in 5th gear on the highway than in 6th ... newbies seem to try to make a Guzzi "chug", and it's certainly not meant for that.

But I'll leave any further development to someone with a flow bench!   

Lannis

Takes the cake
No point in a gearbox for you, sure it’s not even better in first?

[Xlratr]

Dusty, I might be wrong but isn't this a religious thread? 

[Huzo]

Dusty, I might be wrong but isn't this a religious thread? 

Yes mate, you’re right...(You’re wrong..)

[blackcat]

I'm getting 50-55 miles per us gallon at 65-75 mph and the bike runs lean not rich at all

That is about the same gas mileage that I was getting on my Norge when I used the same device on my Norge.

[Huzo]

That is about the same gas mileage that I was getting on my Norge when I used the same device on my Norge.

So I guess the burning question is..
What was the mpg before the buggerising around ?