Irish "repay" the Choctaws

[LowRyter]

Recently, Dusty mentioned that the Choctaw Tribe had sent money to the Irish during the 19th Century Potato Famine.  Now the Irish are paying back for the pandemic. 

https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/irish-people-repay-an-1847-favor-by-raising-1-6-million-for-two-native-american-tribes-battling---19/

Native Americans are among the many residents of the United States who are being hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic — and in Ireland, hundreds of people have been raising money on their behalf. Journalists Ed O’Loughlin and Mihir Zaveri, in an article for the New York Times, explain why their charitable efforts are, in a sense, repaying an old favor.

During the 19th Century, the Irish Potato Famine brought considerable misery to Ireland — inspiring hundreds of thousands of Irish immigrants to move to the United States. And the Choctaw Nation sent $170 to Irish families who were facing starvation.

[Shorty]

Would not let me read story. Political advertisement appeared.  Good on the Irish.

[oldbike54]

 I don't actually remember mentioning this , although a board member did send me an article about what the Irish have done .

 In a nutshell , mid 1800's during the potato famine in Ireland , the Choctaw Nation sent what would be about $5K in today's money to an Irish relief fund to help buy food and seed stock . The Irish built one of the most elegant memorials to the NA anywhere , and have started a scholarship fund for Choctaw kids to attend college in Ireland . Nothing political about any of this , just people helping other people .

 Dusty

[LowRyter]

Nothing political whatsoever by me.

Dusty, you posted the history about it a few weeks ago.  I read about it and saw there was even a commemorative monument in Ireland.  Now the Irish are returning the favor.

Shorty, the link works for me...

[bacongrease]

 
Good for them.

BTW....the Chocs don't really need money.....they are loaded.   

[Kev m]

I don't actually remember mentioning this , although a board member did send me an article about what the Irish have done .

 In a nutshell , mid 1800's during the potato famine in Ireland , the Choctaw Nation sent what would be about $5K in today's money to an Irish relief fund to help buy food and seed stock . The Irish built one of the most elegant memorials to the NA anywhere , and have started a scholarship fund for Choctaw kids to attend college in Ireland . Nothing political about any of this , just people helping other people .

 Dusty

No this isn't the scholarship. This looks like a $1.6M direct donation to provide - relief to two nation's, Navajo and Hopi.

Oh and you posted in response to me. I had some photos of an Apache Pizza place from Dublin that I took right before the world blew up. I found the whole Irish Apache Pizza chain a tad odd as an American abroad.

[Kev m]

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No political pop ups for me. It seems the ads may be based on your browser history.

[Zoom Zoom]

Here is a link to the Wikipedia description of the Kindred Spirits Memorial.

(Lets try another link. This one is not working properly.)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/kindred-spirits-sculpture

It is important to note that many NA were in deep poverty and recently had endured the Trail of Tears, only magnifies the incredible act of kindness.

John Henry

[oldbike54]

 Fellas , I can't control what the ads say , and yes , they are based on your browser history .

 Dusty

[oldbike54]

 This is the strangest thread , the title doesn't match the story , the wiki link from John Henry goes to nothing , and I have no idea why political ads are popping up . Maybe we need to do some editing here fellas , thanks .

 Dusty

[john fish]

No political ads here.  Just adds for mortgages and a pop up coffee table to hide guns.  Wiki link works fine for me.

Honestly, I thought this thread was going to go ap$shit and get banned.  Not sure if I'm happy or disappointed about that.   

[LowRyter]

Geezis F Cryst.   Politics and subject line wrong?  I thought it was a nice story.   

just delete it then.

[GeorgiaGuzzi]

Lol!!! It’s a nice story. And it’s good to see that generosity is worldwide and people who want to help will find a way even across small ponds! 😀

About the pop-up ads it is based somewhat on your browsing history. I searched for zero turn mowers several weeks ago. Ex-mark, Gravely, Dixie Chopper. Soon ads from ariens and gravely were popping up. It doesn’t go precisely from your browsing history. More like “interest in political things” = Political ads. I get ads sometimes for trump and that is not in sync to my personal politics. However, I do read political stories so it comes with the territory. Algorithms and smart devices still cannot distinguish between reading a story with disgust or approval. Which is why it’s very good to keep that stuff out of our campfire! There are plenty of campfires and even bonfires around to participate in stuff like that. I’m at the campfire to talk about Moto Guzzi’s in particular and bikes in general. Other stuff is too nuanced to explain via short messages and even then is a personal thing.

Whoa!!! I just perpetuated thread drift like a Nissan 240sx with a sr20det!!! Sorry

[Kev m]

This is the strangest thread , the title doesn't match the story , the wiki link from John Henry goes to nothing , and I have no idea why political ads are popping up . Maybe we need to do some editing here fellas , thanks .

 Dusty

Irish people repay an 1847 favor by raising $1.6 million for two Native American tribes battling --19

Native Americans are among the many residents of the United States who are being hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic — and in Ireland, hundreds of people have been raising money on their behalf. Journalists Ed O’Loughlin and Mihir Zaveri, in an article for the New York Times, explain why their charitable efforts are, in a sense, repaying an old favor.

During the 19th Century, the Irish Potato Famine brought considerable misery to Ireland — inspiring hundreds of thousands of Irish immigrants to move to the United States. And the Choctaw Nation sent $170 to Irish families who were facing starvation.

“Now,” O’Loughlin and Zaveri report, “hundreds of Irish people are repaying that old kindness, giving to a charity drive for two Native American tribes suffering in the --19 pandemic. As of Tuesday, (May 5), the fundraiser (had) raised more than $1.8 million to help supply clean water, food and health supplies to people in the Navajo Nation and the Hopi Reservation, with hundreds of thousands of dollars coming from Irish donors, according to the organizers.”

One of the Irish donors is Apple administrator Sean Callahan, who lives in Cork, Ireland. Callahan noted that the donation from the Choctaw Nation came after the Trail of Tears, which killed thousands of Native Americans.

“I’d already known what the Choctaw did in the famine so short a time after they’d been through the Trail of Tears,” Callahan told the New York Times. “It always struck me for its kindness and generosity, and I see that too in the Irish people. It seemed the right time to try and pay it back in kind.”

Gary Batton, chief of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, thanked the residents of Ireland for their efforts on behalf of Native Americans.  In an official statement,  Batton said he was “gratified — and perhaps not at all surprised — to learn of the assistance our special friends, the Irish, are giving to the Navajo and Hopi Nations.”

Batton went on to say, “We have become kindred spirits with the Irish in the years since the Irish Potato Famine. We hope the Irish, Navajo and Hopi peoples develop lasting friendships, as we have.”

The Irish Potato Famine struck Ireland in the 1840s, killing — according to historians — more than one million people.

[Zoom Zoom]

Here is a link to the Wikipedia description of the Kindred Spirits Memorial.

(Lets try another link. This one is not working properly.)

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/kindred-spirits-sculpture

It is important to note that many NA were in deep poverty and recently had endured the Trail of Tears, only magnifies the incredible act of kindness.

John Henry

There was something strange going on with that link. I have put a new link in my original post which is also in this quote. Hopefully this does better.

edit: Several good pics to look at on this one too.

John Henry

[john fish]

Geezis F Cryst.   Politics and subject line wrong?  I thought it was a nice story.   

just delete it then.

Sorry if I offended, John.  I think it's a nice story.  Thanks for posting.

I'm half fresh-off-the-boat Irish and we have a saying:  The Irish forget everything but the grudge.  It's very nice to see that is not entirely true.  Especially since I haven't spoken to one sister for over 10 years. :)

[Shorty]

Thanks Kev! My browser would not let me read the article unless I subscribed to a political website, sorry for the fuss.... and thanks John, too.

[oldbike54]

 It's all good guys , thanks for sorting this out while I gone .

 Dusty

[Kev m]

Sorry if I offended, John.  I think it's a nice story.  Thanks for posting.

I'm half fresh-off-the-boat Irish and we have a saying:  The Irish forget everything but the grudge.  It's very nice to see that is not entirely true.  Especially since I haven't spoken to one sister for over 10 years. :)

It's called Irish Alzheimer's

Can't tell you how many times that's effected my family.

Sooooo, not sure if I told this story, this is a different one.

As some will know we were in Ireland right before/during the lockdown for what was supposed to be a 2-week trip (with like 20 inlaws).

During the first week it was just Jenn, Me, and the kids (Fiona and Seamus) traipsing around Ireland from town to town (roughly following some recommendations from my Uncle who was born there).

Anyway we stayed a few nights in Carrick on Shannon and the first night we were looking for something to eat, wound up in this kinda cool gastro pub called The Oarsman (came highly recommended by the front desk and local guides). We had a good meal, talked to a few locals about traveling and that we'd be meeting up with family etc.

We get home and I'm telling my uncle about everything and he's like "Oh, I forgot to tell you about your cousins who live near Carrick, they own this pub called 'The Oarsman'" 

I'm like "That's unc, woulda been nice to know that when we were uh, eating there, might have said hi"

 

[Tom]

I have no problems with the links.  Good articles.  Buying power of $170 dollars back then.  How much would that have bought.  I'm thinking tons of flour.