The last new 2017 Griso in the USA

[DaSwami]

So far, one lowball offer of $6K made through the ad

Another guy coming to see it Sunday.

[LowRyter]

Personally, with only 150 miles of experience, I'd give it a little more.   I mean, that's just a good afternoon's ride.  Ride it some, you might get used to it.  Flogging that gas and leaning into a corner, that Griso is a runner.  It's got some beans that you won't get in a small block.  It's a bike that won't get embarrassed by many bikes in the real world on the road.   Yeah, your legs are a little cramped but lean it in a corner and feel the leverage you have and the confidence to lean it.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Stop encouraging him to keep it, if my Breva isn't 'transformed' by the Beetle map this weekend like everyone claims, I'll drive down there and buy this thing next month! Huzo has to ride along and take turns driving tho!

[DaSwami]

Stop encouraging him to keep it, if my Breva isn't 'transformed' by the Beetle map this weekend like everyone claims, I'll drive down there and buy this thing next month! Huzo has to ride along and take turns driving tho!

As an inducement,  I will take $500 off if you do just that.   $7999

[PJPR01]

Too good of a deal to pass up!!  Someone get this beauty!   

[sdcr]

And if Huzo comes along, do you add $500?

As an inducement,  I will take $500 off if you do just that.   $7999

[Kev m]

Personally, with only 150 miles of experience, I'd give it a little more.

Hell, I've owned bikes for up to about 40k miles TRYING to like them/make them work for me only to decide they wouldn't.

It's a very personal thing and I don't blame the OP for a second.

To some extent I don't get the Griso cult trying to egg him on. I've ridden em, there's a lot to like, yet I bought two smallblocks instead.

Like what you ride, buy what you like.

[bad Chad]

Let the guy sell the bike.   If it's so wonderful, then buy it from him!

The fact that he doesn't feel it will work for him really isn't a reflection on you.

[Huzo]

And if Huzo comes along, do you add $500?

That IS funny...

[sdcr]

Huzo,

Glad you caught the humor, as Sometimes, Tongue in cheek comments are misconstrued on the inter web..

That IS funny...

[Bulldog9]

Stop encouraging him to keep it, if my Breva isn't 'transformed' by the Beetle map this weekend like everyone claims, I'll drive down there and buy this thing next month! Huzo has to ride along and take turns driving tho!

"Transformed" is subjective. I've added Beetle Maps to my Griso, Norge, V7ii, and 1200S. Biggest improvement was on the Griso, and it took out the light throttle sensitivity, the stock map was snatchy at low speeds.  Overall, the Beetlemap will smooth out power delivery, eliminate that 3K dip, shuts off the O2 sensors, gets rid of lean spots and bumps redline a bit.  On the V7, where there was a drop in torque/power at midrange, there is now a linear bump, but in the Norge and Breva 1200, the main difference was just smoother power delivery.

The difference between the Breva and Griso, is measurable and distinct. Bottom line, 'for me' is the Breva/Norge is sweet and smooth at lower to mid speeds and aggressive roads, and good when ridden hard and things get aggressive. The Griso, properly setup (proper suspension setup is a MUST) is good at slower to midrange, but when ridden hard is in it's element and just comes alive.

Riding the same roads on the two, the Norge and 1200S was smooth, fun, competent and secure, but had lower limits. The Griso brings an adrenaline rush. It is not uncomfortable, but is sharper, more responsive, more capable, direct and visceral.

Relevant to the OP not getting the Griso, I get it. If you are used to a V7, and ride the Griso the same way you do/can a V7, you will not get it. The V7 is a nice sweet bike, but is an old lady in comparison and capability. If you want a harder edged experience, you will love the Griso. If you want more power above 6K RPM, you will love the 8V Griso. I've had an 8V Norge, and ridden a couple 8V Griso's. The V7 is Jennifer Love Hewitt, the Griso is Scarlett Johansson. I prefer the 4V motor.

[Huzo]

My Norge is an old ‘07 2VPC.
Beetle’s map installed and tuned by Roper absolutely removed all of the deficiencies.
Pinging and thirst.
I have seen and had first hand accounts relating the efficacy of his map/s on the 4VPC engines and the reports have some variance. I only own one 2VPC big block Guzzi, but I can tell you that the transformation was immediate and total.
Roper’s Griso could not catch me on a top gear roll on from 80 k’s until 180 k’s and I can get 500 km from a tank if I want/need to.
There’s nothing to add..

[Bulldog9]

My Norge is an old ‘07 2VPC.
Beetle’s map installed and tuned by Roper absolutely removed all of the deficiencies.
Pinging and thirst.
I have seen and had first hand accounts relating the efficacy of his map/s on the 4VPC engines and the reports have some variance. I only own one 2VPC big block Guzzi, but I can tell you that the transformation was immediate and total.
Roper’s Griso could not catch me on a top gear roll on from 80 k’s until 180 k’s and I can get 500 km from a tank if I want/need to.
There’s nothing to add..

Tank size is a big deficiency on the Griso.... As for top gear roll ons VS Roper on his Griso, well, we will make no mention of Ropers 'size' and how that may effect performance

[Huzo]

Tank size is a big deficiency on the Griso.... As for top gear roll ons VS Roper on his Griso, well, we will make no mention of Ropers 'size' and how that may effect performance

Yeah that’s a fair point, one he made on the day and subsequently.
I like to leave it out but only to boost my story, your point is well made...

[Bulldog9]

Yeah that’s a fair point, one he made on the day and subsequently.
I like to leave it out but only to boost my story, your point is well made...

The fact his is the sucky 8V (can of rocks sounding) motor, and yours is the 4V..... 

While there is no argument that the 8V rush from 6200 to redline beats the 4V, I'll take the 4V motor over an 8V all day long. I had an 8V Norge at the same time as I had the 4V Griso, and far preferred the Griso motor. Sound, feel, sub 6K performance. For a while, I was looking to swap the 8V for a 4V but couldn't find the right one. Then I dumped the Norge for the MGX, which I dumped for a Convert and also LOVE. 

I really did love the Breva/Norge as a LD/Touring platform, and had an eye out for a 1200 Sport which I also really like.

[mhershon]

The V7 is Jennifer Love Hewitt, the Griso is Scarlett Johansson. I prefer the 4V motor.

   Gotta love this forum.

[kingoffleece]

As The Fabulous Thunderbirds so aptly stated in "Look at That" off the Butt Rockin' recording, and I quote, "I'll take either one or both of those".

[DaSwami]

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[DaSwami]

Hell, I've owned bikes for up to about 40k miles TRYING to like them/make them work for me only to decide they wouldn't.

It's a very personal thing and I don't blame the OP for a second.

To some extent I don't get the Griso cult trying to egg him on. I've ridden em, there's a lot to like, yet I bought two smallblocks instead.

Like what you ride, buy what you like.

Thanks Kev, you get it.  This is me "showing maturity" or wisdom or whatever.  With enough experience, when you know, you know.

Getting a ton on interest the last 24 hours I think it will sell soon.

[Kev m]

Thanks Kev, you get it.  This is me "showing maturity" or wisdom or whatever.  With enough experience, when you know, you know.

Getting a ton on interest the last 24 hours I think it will sell soon.

 

Though I'm not sure I'd use the "M" word for ME.... looks good on you though. 

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Getting a ton on interest the last 24 hours I think it will sell soon.

[Dilliw]

The Griso is not for everyone that's for sure.  I've struggled with riding mine, and I'm probably still faster in tight stuff on my EV than I am on the Griso. I get that the OP quickly decided that the bike wasn't for him, but I took the other route and have gone along with the journey.  As a result I feel like I've been rewarded with a really great bike that has forced me to become a better rider (especially trail braking).

I remember one of my first trips on the Griso.  After a day of struggling to get that pig around the NC/GA twisties I swapped with my buddy and mounted his brand new GS.  It had abs, riding modes, and was as comfortable as a reclining chair.  It was the easiest bike I have ever ridden!  Steve sold that BMW a few months later and bought a Super Duke, and I've still got the Griso.  I guess we both are lacking in the maturity department...

[twowheeladdict]

Hell, I've owned bikes for up to about 40k miles TRYING to like them/make them work for me only to decide they wouldn't.

It's a very personal thing and I don't blame the OP for a second.

To some extent I don't get the Griso cult trying to egg him on. I've ridden em, there's a lot to like, yet I bought two smallblocks instead.

Like what you ride, buy what you like.

I bought my '12 Concours 1400 for long distance sport touring. It was a huge motorcycle!  So many owners were putting handlebar risers, tall windshields, Corbin seats, and peg relocation kits that I started wondering if I bought the wrong bike.

I decided to start working on my core muscles so I wasn't putting pressure on my wrists and gave myself 90 days to adapt to the riding position before converting it into a touring bike from sport touring. 

Well, other than a firm Sargent seat, I rode that bike in the stock configuration on many cross country trips. 

Point being that sometimes you adapt the bike to fit the ergonomics you want, and sometimes you adapt to the ergonomics of the bike. 

Of course sometimes you just bought the wrong bike.  I tease many forum members that dislike cruiser bikes for changing their sport or adventure touring bike into a cruiser riding position.     They don't like when you point out that risers, tall windshields,  and pegs more forward can be bought from the factory.

[Kev m]

I decided to start working on my core muscles so I wasn't putting pressure on my wrists and gave myself 90 days to adapt to the riding position before converting it into a touring bike from sport touring. 

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Point being that sometimes you adapt the bike to fit the ergonomics you want, and sometimes you adapt to the ergonomics of the bike. 

Of course sometimes you just bought the wrong bike.

In my case it has nothing to do with strength or ability, it's simply enjoyment. I simply PREFER the more upright riding position COMBINED with powerband, fit/feel/ergos and overall experience (including maintenance) of other bikes. Yeah, there's a minor issue of knees getting cramped after a couple of hours in one bent position, but I STILL get that on my V7 and I CAN put up with it for the right bike, that's not a big deal.

I tried to like my R1100rs, my Breva 1100, hell even my Buell ST3 - NONE of them had as tight or leaned a riding position as our Monster even, but that wasn't the issue.

Then again, as much as I think the Monster is a brilliant bike, I don't think I'd ever have bought one for myself. Maybe the Scrambler version, but even then I'd have likely picked something different despite how it functions.

I think it comes down to "Know Yourself" and forget what everyone else is trying to convince you is "better" because if it's not BETTER for you, then it's probably WORSE. 

[tazio]

"The cult of GRiSO" Nice ring to it. Thanks Kev!
Agreed, too many bikes out there to try and live with one any longer than necessary.
Hard to fault those who actually own and have put good miles on the exact model in question wanting to relay their deeper experiences when it might save someone $$.
OP first impressions- "this thing is a beast! Idles like a raging bull ready to rumble"
Aptly put,sir! As endearing a trait to me as someone else describing their Goldwing "silky smooth".
Now about that Triumph Scrambler of yours,  sure wish I had me one.

[Bulldog9]

The Griso is not for everyone that's for sure.  I've struggled with riding mine, and I'm probably still faster in tight stuff on my EV than I am on the Griso. I get that the OP quickly decided that the bike wasn't for him, but I took the other route and have gone along with the journey.  As a result I feel like I've been rewarded with a really great bike that has forced me to become a better rider (especially trail braking).

I remember one of my first trips on the Griso.  After a day of struggling to get that pig around the NC/GA twisties I swapped with my buddy and mounted his brand new GS.  It had abs, riding modes, and was as comfortable as a reclining chair.  It was the easiest bike I have ever ridden!  Steve sold that BMW a few months later and bought a Super Duke, and I've still got the Griso.  I guess we both are lacking in the maturity department...

I completely get what you are saying. The Griso is clearly not a nimble waif, but properly set up, is not a pig either.  The Griso was the first bike I owned with full suspension tuning/adjustments, all I had before was an occasional compression or rebound setting or rear spring pre-load.

The Griso has it all,  compression, rebound, spring preload and fork height adjustments, and in the rear has compression, rebound, and spring preload, and like one of those seats in a car with 14 way adjustments, is easy to get wrong more often than right.  The factory settings on the Griso are terrible.

When I got mine, I started off with the MI set suspension. They set it up for the PO/original owner. He was about my height and weight, and I really liked it right off the bat. For comparison, I was coming straight off a vey well Sorted 2005 FJR that I had for 8 years. The Griso was an immediate improvement.

Because I have never been one to leave things alone, I wrote down the MI setup and then adjusted the bike to factory settings, and immediately hated it. It was heavy in turns, resisted turn in, and felt sluggish.  I brought the bike back to the MI settings and continued over a month to adjust a bit more to my liking which was a bit less rebound, and less preload in the forks.  Have been riding it that way for the last 4 years and the bike is a blast. It is vey sensitive to tire pressures and wear, more than any other bike I have owned. Of course as with many other bikes, upgrading the suspension pieces can also bring big improvements, but I am happy with stock.

I DO have Onhur's 1" bar risers, and Knight lowering pegs for comfort, and though is still a slight forward lean, is relatively neutral. The biggest adjustment when I hop bike to bike is how wide the 4V handlebars are.

It is a Guzzi, but is also very different. Everything is sharper edged, more engaging and intense, and it has that wacky reverse order horn/turnsignal switch (which the 1200S also has). I get that the GRiSO is not for everyone, in looks, ergonomics, etc, but I've found it is also true that most people who think it handles like a pig have a poorly set up bike.  Then again, I am a Cult member, so......... 

[LowRyter]

My ride on a Griso seemed like pretty a sporty roadster.  Certainly the top performer in the Guzzi lineup.

[Dilliw]

I completely get what you are saying. The Griso is clearly not a nimble waif, but properly set up, is not a pig either.  The Griso was the first bike I owned with full suspension tuning/adjustments, all I had before was an occasional compression or rebound setting or rear spring pre-load.

The Griso has it all,  compression, rebound, spring preload and fork height adjustments, and in the rear has compression, rebound, and spring preload, and like one of those seats in a car with 14 way adjustments, is easy to get wrong more often than right.  The factory settings on the Griso are terrible.

When I got mine, I started off with the MI set suspension. They set it up for the PO/original owner. He was about my height and weight, and I really liked it right off the bat. For comparison, I was coming straight off a vey well Sorted 2005 FJR that I had for 8 years. The Griso was an immediate improvement.

Because I have never been one to leave things alone, I wrote down the MI setup and then adjusted the bike to factory settings, and immediately hated it. It was heavy in turns, resisted turn in, and felt sluggish.  I brought the bike back to the MI settings and continued over a month to adjust a bit more to my liking which was a bit less rebound, and less preload in the forks.  Have been riding it that way for the last 4 years and the bike is a blast. It is vey sensitive to tire pressures and wear, more than any other bike I have owned. Of course as with many other bikes, upgrading the suspension pieces can also bring big improvements, but I am happy with stock.

I DO have Onhur's 1" bar risers, and Knight lowering pegs for comfort, and though is still a slight forward lean, is relatively neutral. The biggest adjustment when I hop bike to bike is how wide the 4V handlebars are.

It is a Guzzi, but is also very different. Everything is sharper edged, more engaging and intense, and it has that wacky reverse order horn/turnsignal switch (which the 1200S also has). I get that the GRiSO is not for everyone, in looks, ergonomics, etc, but I've found it is also true that most people who think it handles like a pig have a poorly set up bike.  Then again, I am a Cult member, so......... 

Yep it was definitely a pig that first trip.  Since then:

Beatle Map 
Onur's risers
KD 1" lower pegs
Traxxion rebuild/re-spring of the rear shock
Sargent seat mod
HH pads up front
Good tires!

That looks like a long list but over 4 years I don't feel like I've spent all that much to get it there.  $400 for the shock and $200 for the seat are the biggies.

So no longer a pig!




 

[DaSwami]

I did drive to Louisville KY and back in a single day about 6 weeks ago to buy my '70 Ambo. That trip was 6hr one way according to GPS. I think I left at 0700 and made it home about 2200. I spent about an hour at the guy's house shooting the breeze and loading the bike, then I stopped for a bite to eat before driving home. Not fun but worth it.

I assure you if my Breva blew up tonight, I would drive to FLA and get it this weekend...  But a 5th bike when I already have a CARC Guzzi I love, plus the trouble of going after it, nah I'll pass this time. 

It's ok, a nice low mile Griso will show up close to home one of these days! (Hopefully a rollerized Tenni!)

My mom lives in Franklin, and I will be visiting her for Christmas.  Just sayin'

[Dave Swanson]

I drove 1600 miles round trip non stop in about 24 hours to pick mine up in Atlanta.  Tough drive, but worth it.