NGC my dog got Lyme disease

[Dave Swanson]

Brad, I am gutted to hear that Ella's lilttermate sister is gone. 

Brad and his wife picked up Pink at the same time my daughter and I picked up Ella.   Muley labs are great dogs. 

Here is Ella with her collie housemate.

[GeorgiaGuzzi]

I’m very sorry for your loss. Our dogs are part of our family, and losing a member of family
always hurts. Many condolences.

[Tkelly]

Sorry for your loss,our lab lived 5 years after recovering.The lab would be perfectly healthy until we put the ointment on her neck.Then in a couple of days she stopped eating.The vet said her liver was failing but denied the tic ointment she sold had anything to do with it.After hundreds of dollars fo IV treatments the vet wanted to charge us to put her down.I got her home and prepared to put her out of her misery but she came back after we fed her some prime rib.There is a reason the tic treatments are not prescribed for humans.I have had Lyme and recovered and had no loss of appetite or liver or kidney issues,although I had such knee pain and swelling I got a handicapped parking card.If we get another dog I would take the chance of Lyme,which none of our dogs ever got here in tic central,rather than put it thru such suffering from this quack treatment.

[guzzifan]

She was a beautiful dog and I thank you for sharing with us.  It sounds like you did all you could and some things are just left to chance.  I promise you that she was met by all my past dogs and they are right now enjoying an endless cycle of eating, sleeping and playing. 

[fotoguzzi]

Sorry for your loss,our lab lived 5 years after recovering.The lab would be perfectly healthy until we put the ointment on her neck.Then in a couple of days she stopped eating.The vet said her liver was failing but denied the tic ointment she sold had anything to do with it.After hundreds of dollars fo IV treatments the vet wanted to charge us to put her down.I got her home and prepared to put her out of her misery but she came back after we fed her some prime rib.There is a reason the tic treatments are not prescribed for humans.I have had Lyme and recovered and had no loss of appetite or liver or kidney issues,although I had such knee pain and swelling I got a handicapped parking card.If we get another dog I would take the chance of Lyme,which none of our dogs ever got here in tic central,rather than put it thru such suffering from this quack treatment.

sure but I don't think the - is quack treatment.. and yeah I know about the infested area in Northern Wisconsin (we don't go there anymore) but didn't think it had reached Scandia Mn yet.

[SIR REAL ED]

When my brother was in the 82nd Airborne, they would train in the woods of North Carolina in the summertime, and would live in the fields and woods for days on end in areas infested with ticks.

Some of the guys, despite warnings, would get hold of dog tick collars and put them on.   You feed these guys gunpowder and raw meat and tell them they're invulnerable, and they can't get hurt by anything.

Except a tick collar.  Every one in his unit that tried it had to get evacuated back to the base, sick as a ... umm ... dog.

Lannis

Wow!  That is an impressive story.

I thought it was a long term health hazard.  I had no idea it worked that fast.

Usually if we find any ticks on our dogs (10 or 12 a year), the ticks are dead.  I probably pick a half dozen or so off myself each year.

[SIR REAL ED]

Sadly I have to report she didn't make it. In typical lab fashion she didn't show any symptoms until it was too late. The disease ravaged her kidneys and there was just no recovery possible by the time we saw a change in behavior.  We did use Advantix on schedule, last time on the 15th of August. Vet said the stuff not 100% effective. I hadn't thought about the - (if I even knew about it) because I didn't think the area was very infested, we just didn't see many ticks of any kind. But I now remember finding one tick back in June.. maybe it's been festering in her since then?
Maybe some of you remember Muley dogs, she was from the last litter and had 41 siblings. I sent a PM to Russ Huffman (Muley) but have not seen him on the forum for many years if anyone has contact info.

Sorry to hear the news Foto.  A wet Lab is a happy dog!!!  Labs and water are tough to beat for generating smiles and laughs.

Twice a week we retreat to some land we own bordered by 3 creeks.  Running, splashing, swimming, digging, fishing, chasing wildlife, and rolling in poop is a tough life for a dog.  But somebody has to do it!

Hang tough.  When you are ready, there are more dogs out there who would love to brighten up your life.  It's what they do best.

[SIR REAL ED]

Sorry for your loss,our lab lived 5 years after recovering.The lab would be perfectly healthy until we put the ointment on her neck.Then in a couple of days she stopped eating.The vet said her liver was failing but denied the tic ointment she sold had anything to do with it.After hundreds of dollars fo IV treatments the vet wanted to charge us to put her down.I got her home and prepared to put her out of her misery but she came back after we fed her some prime rib.There is a reason the tic treatments are not prescribed for humans.I have had Lyme and recovered and had no loss of appetite or liver or kidney issues,although I had such knee pain and swelling I got a handicapped parking card.If we get another dog I would take the chance of Lyme,which none of our dogs ever got here in tic central,rather than put it thru such suffering from this quack treatment.

What was the quack treatment?

[ohiorider]

Foto, I am so sorry to hear about your loss.

Bob

[Sasquatch Jim]

Lyme disease just ticks me off.

[Tkelly]

The grease we used was Frontline.Every time we applied it the dog was in distress but recovered.My wife complained to the vet who prescribed a lower dose but the dose the sold us was not reduced.Despite all the horror stories on the Internet,the vet insisted that frontline did not cause the symptoms.Needless to say we got another vet.The reason this stuff is still on the market is that there is no FDA for animal drugs and it is too expensive to do autopsies on pets.The same problem,expense, make product liability suits impractical.

[SIR REAL ED]

The grease we used was Frontline.Every time we applied it the dog was in distress but recovered.My wife complained to the vet who prescribed a lower dose but the dose the sold us was not reduced.Despite all the horror stories on the Internet,the vet insisted that frontline did not cause the symptoms.Needless to say we got another vet.The reason this stuff is still on the market is that there is no FDA for animal drugs and it is too expensive to do autopsies on pets.The same problem,expense, make product liability suits impractical.

we used Frontline for years on cats and dogs and never had a problem.  Then the formula was changed, which I believe caused the problems and a couple vets we know advised us to stop using it.  This was at least 4 or 5 years ago.  So we did.  So far, no problems with the Seresto collars during that time.

[AJ Huff]

Back when I lived in Michigan I always got Preventic collars from the vet. Can't buy over the counter in stores. Things were awesome. Never had a tick problem. That was a quite a few years ago so I don't know if there is something newer and better but they worked.

-AJ

[Dean Rose]

So sorry to hear this, Angus is laying on the floor beside me now.

Dean

[Zoom Zoom]

I'm real sorry Brad. I, and no doubt many others, know just how much it hurts.

John Henry

[John Ulrich]

Sorry to read this Brad!!!

[Kent in Upstate NY]

Sorry for your loss. I live in tick central and I use a seresto collar for three of my dogs. I use a topical on the hound. I also have them tested and vaccinated every year.

[Sasquatch Jim]

 Lyme disease is also sexually transmittable, so it is a social disease too.  If you have unprotected sex with someone who as llyme
disease you are at risk of catching it.  Particularly if you are female.

[yogidozer]

Lyme disease is also sexually transmittable, so it is a social disease too.  If you have unprotected sex with someone who as llyme
disease you are at risk of catching it.  Particularly if you are female.

I haven't signed in for sometime because of assh0les like you.
Fotoguzzi's best friend died, too bad it wasn't you.
Oldbike can ban me if he wants, but jimbag will always be a jerk

[fotoguzzi]

[SIR REAL ED]

I haven't signed in for sometime because of assh0les like you.
Fotoguzzi's best friend died, too bad it wasn't you.
Oldbike can ban me if he wants, but jimbag will always be a jerk

Dusty,

If I may..... {sigh}

[SIR REAL ED]

Amen.  Why can animals get along better than people?  They have no sense of self-importance!

As a guru once said "Without self-importance, it is impossible to be offended!"

People striving to be more like dogs would be a Hell of an improvement!

Foto,

You may enjoy this animal communicator.  Patty Summers of Evington, VA.  In addition to being a friend, we have hired her several times a year for over 20 years.  Incredible gift!

her website is psanimal.com

I'd tell you more, but I don't want to freak you out!

Oh what the hell.  Even though your dog is gone, she can still communicate with it.

Believe it or not.  Your choice.

Best wishes!

[80CX100]

     Science and the medical community for whatever reasons (there are many possibilities), are seriously lagging behind on the whole tic/Lymes disease issue.

     I was an avid outdoorsman from a young age, so I've been aware of tics/Lymes disease for close to 50 yrs, but it's only within the last 20-25 yrs, that I've actually seen first hand locally, the devastating effects of the infection, .

     It's only within the last 3-4 yrs that I've personally seen any doctor, express interest or concern with tic bites or infections, prior to that it was almost complete indifference.

     Iirc there was an effective - trial for humans approx 20 yrs ago, but some lawsuits played out, and now its like the hot potato can of worms that all of the big chemical companies are hesitant and afraid to go near,,,, once bit, twice shy.

     The whole animal tic protection industry is huge, generates massive amounts of income; if a product kills tics or protects your animal from tics effectively, make no mistake about it, it's toxic,period.

     Is it possible that your animal may tolerate tic meds or possibly live to a ripe old age while taking them, absolutely.

     Is it possible that your animal may have a severe reaction and possibly die from tic meds, absolutely.

     As described by others above, big chemical companies like to make minor changes to formulas, change names, rebrand their product every few years; that accomplishes a few things; it stymies efforts for anecdotal evidence of harmful side effects to accumulate over time and prompt logical conclusions; but it also thwarts and minimizes, potential losses and liabilities from possible class action lawsuits, against any one particular product.

     Iirc it's been said that parasites could be the downfall of mankind, with so much that we don't know about Lymes and the similarity to the syphilis Spirochete bacteria, Jim's comment might be a warning worth heeding.

     The article in this link is interesting, if you're inclined, take the time to read the comments, it's only anecdotal, but it's compelling evidence. fwiw ymmv
     https://www.lymedisease.org/lyme-sexual-transmission-2/       

     Foto, once again, I'm so sorry to hear about your dog; I know it doesn't lessen the pain and the loss, but it sounds like she didn't suffer too long.

    Stay safe, good luck and take care

    Kelly

[Ncdan]

I’m just catching up on this incident with your fur baby and I’m so sorry for your loss. Sorry but I don’t have the words.

[Sasquatch Jim]

I state a medical FACT. and warning and I get poisonous responses.
 There are some people who just cannot resist throwing mud.

[Sasquatch Jim]

I state a medical FACT, and warning, and I get anpoisonous response.
Some people cannot resist throwing mud.

[yogidozer]

I state a medical FACT, and warning, and I get anpoisonous response.
Some people cannot resist throwing mud.

It sounded more like a joke, because it had nothing to do with the loss of fotoguzzi's best friend.
And your other comment "Lyme disease just ticks me off."
Was another medical fact?
To many their four legged companions are just like family.
If you want to share your own intimate experiences, maybe start another thread.

[Rough Edge racing]

  Very sad story about Photo's dog....

    CDC has a few words about Lyme disease transmission

         https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/transmission/index.html

[Sasquatch Jim]

 I based my opinion on a newspaper article of a woman who was exposed to Lyme through her husband who had caught it from tick bite.  WhenI lived in the wilderness of Idaho I had to check myself often and sometimes found ticks on my skin.  I went to a doctor for one but it didn't give me lyme.  And yes I understand the loss of an animal friend too.  I had a dog that could pull in harness and one year when I wintered in Seattle he was run over by a car.  Being a mountain dog he had no understanding of cars.
 Your poisonous reply told me a lot about you, but I generally do not sling mud.