Let's pretend , a Walter Mitty thread.

[LowRyter]

As much as it might be nostalgic to drive old iron around a road course I would get too frustrated. A modern minivan could prolly keep up with the 60-70s super cars on a road course. I would love to take a ‘19 Corvette ZR1 out and flog the ever loving crap out of it on Road Atlanta. I used to race in SCCA and always daydreamed about being able to to race a C5R.

Bikes I’m slower than cars. Just give me an older Busa with no electronic nannies and a track day to burn up a set of tires. I know it’s more of a porky GT bike but that would suit me. A Panigale would be wasted on me so i don’t bother daydreaming about that, aside to poke some depreciating fun at myself. It would be fun to run a bike at Barber.

Again, old bikes look cool but bad suspension, brakes, and frames just make me daydream about being frustrated at having to brake earlier and accelerate slower than modern bikes.

Funny story.  A few years ago I did a track day with the Corvette club at the local sheriff's track.  I had previously done a couple of track days there on my motorcycle.  Before I took the 'vette out, the club wanted me to take lap with "Racer Ron".  He was in his early 80's and drove Corvette C6 ZR1 (638HP supercharged). 

He hit that thing with launch control and I was screaming like a little girl.  He asked if I wanted another lap and I said "no".

[oldbike54]

 We watched a very talented driver execute a HOWLING lap around the street circuit used the one year AHRMA ran a national in Park City driving a 1963 Cooper f2 car . It was stunning to watch , and slightly startling to see a 37 year old formula car generate the kind of speed on display . Seriously , that's the kind of thing that gets my blood pumping , 4 wheel drifting every corner , the 1,500 CC Climax Ford turning 9.000 RPM's thru an open exhaust . I want to drive a real race car , something designed on a clean sheet of paper to be a scalpel capable of carving up a road course .

 Of course the cockpit of that Cooper is probably a bit small to accommodate me these days , but still ...

 Dusty

[Old Jock]

We watched a very talented driver execute a HOWLING lap around the street circuit used the one year AHRMA ran a national in Park City driving a 1963 Cooper f2 car . It was stunning to watch , and slightly startling to see a 37 year old formula car generate the kind of speed on display . Seriously , that's the kind of thing that gets my blood pumping , 4 wheel drifting every corner , the 1,500 CC Climax Ford turning 9.000 RPM's thru an open exhaust . I want to drive a real race car , something designed on a clean sheet of paper to be a scalpel capable of carving up a road course .

 Of course the cockpit of that Cooper is probably a bit small to accommodate me these days , but still ...

 Dusty

Perhaps a "Rocket" might appeal Dusty

https://youtu.be/iQPIBFz1ZJo

[Huzo]

He said you just had to keep the speed up because of aileron reversal at the stall. (!!)

The aileron does not “reverse” at the point of stall.
It’s just that the down going aileron is increasing it’s AoA and becoming more deeply stalled. So instead of creating more lift, it’s creating less.
So left stick, which moves the right aileron down should produce a left roll, but the stalling right aileron and the unstallng left one, causes the right wing to descend...(right roll..).

[kirby1923]

"The aileron does not “reverse” at the point of stall."


So.. if you were in a left stick condition trying to recover from a stall and the aircraft rolled to the ..right.. instead,
How would you describe what happened?

:-)

[Chuck in Indiana]

The aileron does not “reverse” at the point of stall.
It’s just that the down going aileron is increasing it’s AoA and becoming more deeply stalled. So instead of creating more lift, it’s creating less.
So left stick, which moves the right aileron down should produce a left roll, but the stalling right aileron and the unstallng left one, causes the right wing to descend...(right roll..).

Uhh, semantics. Delmar went up high on the first flight and explored slow flight/stalls. As long as he kept the speed up, it flew nicely.
Of course the aileron never moved..but no doubt this caused several crashes. I decided that when I flew one  I'd keep glide speed well above 100..

[Demar]

This....



or this.....


or this.....

[Huzo]

"The aileron does not “reverse” at the point of stall."


So.. if you were in a left stick condition trying to recover from a stall and the aircraft rolled to the ..right.. instead,
How would you describe what happened?

:-)

I wouldn’t describe anything.
I’d lower the nose to unstall the wing and resume coordinated flight.

[Chuck in Indiana]

I wouldn’t describe anything.
I’d lower the nose to unstall the wing and resume coordinated flight.

Not if you were flaring to land.. or worse yet, on short final.

[kirby1923]

Not if you were flaring to land.. or worse yet, on short final.

 

The GB needed to be about 4 to 5 feet longer. They were thinking min wetted area not flying qualities, but then they had Doolittle for that!

:-)

[Huzo]

Not if you were flaring to land.. or worse yet, on short final.

Well in that case Chuck, I would be forced to wonder why I was not carrying an adequate margin of airspeed above the stall when on approach.
Perhaps I failed to allow for the wind gradient..?
Acted like a dick and raised the nose to reach the threshold ?
Did not clear obstacles by minimum 50’ to allow for a lowering of the nose to maintain airspeed then an application of power to restore the glide slope.
If I ever run out of energy on final, I’ll tell y’all what happened and why, if I survive..(but it hasn’t happened yet..)
BTW..That includes 2,000 hours in gliders where there is limited scope to restore an undershoot.

[Chuck in Indiana]

If I ever run out of energy on final, I’ll tell y’all what happened and why, if I survive..(but it hasn’t happened yet..)
BTW..That includes 2,000 hours in gliders where there is limited scope to restore an undershoot.

Huzo, a Gee Bee is about as far from a glider as you can get. Early pilots got one chance to fly one.. and if *you didn't know* about roll reversal near the stall..

[Huzo]

Huzo, a Gee Bee is about as far from a glider as you can get. Early pilots got one chance to fly one.. and if *you didn't know* about roll reversal near the stall..

Perhaps it has no washout in the wing to keep the tips flying as the stall moves outward. Either way, why would you want to fly something so inherently flawed.
Last time I checked, a down going aileron in unstalled flight, increases lift as it is deflected. If deflecting it downward has the opposite effect, then it is stalling.
As a builder, you will know that the washout in the wing is there so the root stalls first and as the AoA is increased, the stalled portion of the wing moves spanwise so you will feel the buffeting, but the aileron will maintain some authority.

[oldbike54]

 If you screw up this thread ...capeesh ?

 Dusty

[Huzo]

Ok then..
Probably what Nathan Millward did on the CT110 was as Mitty like as you’d likely find, an outlandish flight of fancy.
With scant regard for consequences and stubborn refusal to be swayed by popular opinion, he launched into an ocean of unknowns...
In terms of thought process, not a lot different than Bert Hinkler, Amy Johnson, Francis Chichester , Jesse Martin and the like..
Nathan’s life wasn’t on the line such as the foregoing, but not allowing his mental vision to be crushed by cold reality, is a good example of the esoteric nature of the thought processes of these types.

[jwinwi]

Not that I normally spend time thinking about such things... But since you asked, it would have to be a 1962 Ferrari GTO and Road America (only 50 miles from the house) would be just fine.
Now, does anyone have Nick Mason's contact info?

[oldbike54]

Not that I normally spend time thinking about such things... But since you asked, it would have to be a 1962 Ferrari GTO and Road America (only 50 miles from the house) would be just fine.
Now, does anyone have Nick Mason's contact info?

 OH MY , yes !

 Dusty

[LowRyter]

If you screw up this thread ...capeesh ?

 Dusty

Dusty, I just wonder if you flew your flying saucer like a BeeGee and crashed here?   

Anyway, we're all lucky you're here regardless of how you came to earth.   

[philwarner]

Any Jaguar D-type or Steve McQueen's Jaguar XKSS.

[Huzo]

flew your flying saucer like a BeeGee

Were they into flying as well as music ?
“Stayin’ Alive” would not be easy in one of those...

[LowRyter]

Were they into flying as well as music ?
“Stayin’ Alive” would not be easy in one of those...

I agree, it sounds difficult to fly.  But the song is a great disco. 

Not sure I want to see anyone on this board to dance though.   Well maybe Dusty but no chaps please.   

[oldbike54]

I agree, it sounds difficult to fly.  But the song is a great disco. 

Not sure I want to see anyone on this board to dance though.   Well maybe Dusty but no chaps please.   

 What in the wide wide world of sports is goin' on here ?

 Dusty

[Gliderjohn]

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I have been thinking about a response to this for days as there are so many wonderful possibilities. But i would be quite happy with this:
Motorcycle: Chuck's Lario on the Isle on Mann TT course.
Auto: At my age this on a tight curvy closed circuit course. See picture.
Aircraft: Oh my this is hard. But for pure fun a totally clean ( all military hardware stripped out) Douglas A-4 Skyhawk.
GliderJohn

[cliffrod]

What in the wide wide world of sports is goin' on here ?

 Dusty

Wide World of Sports- Too funny..

We used to watch ABC Wide world of Sports when we went to my grandparents on the weekends.. We only had one channel (CBS) but they had cable. 

When ABC wide world of sports came on, my grandfather would say "watch this- this f------- dumbass.  He falls off the the same f----- ski jump every fu-----. week.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P2AZH4FeGsc What a fu---- idiot!  If you're that fu------ stupid when you grow up, ,I'm gonna kick you right in the a-- every time you do it... ".

Me and my brother would be laughing like crazy.  My mother and grandmother would be telling him to quit swearing around us.  He would be telling them to shut  the he-- up up because we needed to be real men, not just another dumbass like that guy who couldn't even ski right when he was on tv on the same ski jump very single week. 

 Great memories.  Must be sad to be a PC kid nowadays...

[Huzo]

Dusty, I just wonder if you flew your flying saucer like a BeeGee and crashed here?   

Anyway, we're all lucky you're here regardless of how you came to earth.   

Dusty, the gag was Low Ryter asked if you flew your saucer like a Bee Gee.
A BeeGee is one third of an enormously popular trio of ex pat Poms, who came to Oz and made a fortune in music.
A GeeBee is an ugly as sin inherently dangerous aircraft.

[MotoChuck250]

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I have been thinking about a response to this for days as there are so many wonderful possibilities. But i would be quite happy with this:
Motorcycle: Chuck's Lario on the Isle on Mann TT course.
Auto: At my age this on a tight curvy closed circuit course. See picture.
Aircraft: Oh my this is hard. But for pure fun a totally clean ( all military hardware stripped out) Douglas A-4 Skyhawk.
GliderJohn

I had a chance to drive a Lotus Super 7 around Hallett Motor Speedway a number of years ago.  It was during a vintage weekend.  There was a drive around for the public at lunch behind a pace car.  The owner of the car took a little bit longer getting me strapped in so I ended up going out about half a lap behind everyone else in the parade. (That was kind of by design)  So I got to catch up with the field. It was a lot of fun and a very strange experience sitting practically on top of the rear axle. I would love to get to drive one of those around a race track for a few hours and get up to a decent speed.



As far as a motorcycle, I still think I would like to spend some quality time on one of these.



I have ridden 850 Lemans and 750 Laverda SFCs and a boat load of Japanese Ricky bikes, but never a 900 SS.

[LowRyter]

Wide World of Sports- Too funny..

We used to watch ABC Wide world of Sports when we went to my grandparents on the weekends.. We only had one channel (CBS) but they had cable. 

When ABC wide world of sports came on, my grandfather would say "watch this- this f------- dumbass.  He falls off the the same f----- ski jump every fu-----. week.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P2AZH4FeGsc What a fu---- idiot!  If you're that fu------ stupid when you grow up, ,I'm gonna kick you right in the a-- every time you do it... ".

Me and my brother would be laughing like crazy.  My mother and grandmother would be telling him to quit swearing around us.  He would be telling them to shut  the he-- up up because we needed to be real men, not just another dumbass like that guy who couldn't even ski right when he was on tv on the same ski jump very single week. 

 Great memories.  Must be sad to be a PC kid nowadays...

Hilarious.  I couldn't stop laughing reading this.   

[ScepticalScotty]

For a plane, just for sheer joy, it would have to be a Hawker Fury with that fantastic Kestrel V12, all silver painted just like the 1930s Hendon display ones. From the carefree days of the RAF before WW2.....

[John A]

How about nitro Harley drag racing. https://youtu.be/o2ejPDv7YUw
These guys were having some trouble with their tuneup

[sdcr]

The Wall of Death would do it for me.

I think coming down off the wall, would be more challenging than going up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H4jUptw4Vk