V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[lucian]

Got a little more info today. The early base model will be white here and the s model will be green/ grey. The performance will be an increase over the 12008v motor due to the increased hp. but mostly due to the 50 % reduction in inertia and the 9,000 plus red line. The motor is tuned to have the majority of its torque available low in the  rev range . The wheel base is  58.5 inches ,an inch and a half shorter than the Griso at 60 inches. Service intervals are at 10,000 miles and the wet clutch is claimed to be more durable ,long lasting than the traditional single plate dry clutch. Tft dash and electronics package are all Aprilia transplants and have  proven reliability.  The first delivery to this dealer are all pre orders and going fast.

[LongRanger]

$15,490 for the base V100 and $17,490 for the V100 S. I’m out.

[blu guzz]

The price seems reasonable to me.  I paid about $15,000 in 2004 for a BMW 1150RT that needed a custom seat, windscreen and suspension to be comfortable.  Given inflation, I think the price may be a bargain if the bike runs as well as the reviews make out.  At that time, a  closer bike to the V100 was the K1200RS which cost about $18,000 then.

[Huzo]

How does it stack up against a Multistrada price wise ?

[rocker59]

Got a little more info today. The early base model will be white here and the s model will be green/ grey. The performance will be an increase over the 12008v motor due to the increased hp. but mostly due to the 50 % reduction in inertia and the 9,000 plus red line. The motor is tuned to have the majority of its torque available low in the  rev range . The wheel base is  58.5 inches ,an inch and a half shorter than the Griso at 60 inches. Service intervals are at 10,000 miles and the wet clutch is claimed to be more durable ,long lasting than the traditional single plate dry clutch. Tft dash and electronics package are all Aprilia transplants and have  proven reliability.  The first delivery to this dealer are all pre orders and going fast.

Griso wheelbase was 61-inches.  So 2.5-inches shorter.

Interestingly, the V11 LeMans was 58.7-inches.  Sport 1100 was 58-inches.

 

[blackcat]

How does it stack up against a Multistrada price wise ?

Multistrada V4 Rally

Starts at $30K, about the same weight or maybe a little more than the V100 but it has 170hp and is approximately $12K more.

[Nick]

Multistrada V4 Rally

Starts at $30K, about the same weight or maybe a little more than the V100 but it has 170hp and is approximately $12K more.

BC,
time to sell your "old" Norge and get one 

[LowRyter]

Multistrada V4 Rally

Starts at $30K, about the same weight or maybe a little more than the V100 but it has 170hp and is approximately $12K more.

the 950 MS would be comparable. 

[blu guzz]

$30,000 bikes.  i'm out.

[Tusayan]

The price seems reasonable to me.  I paid about $15,000 in 2004 for a BMW 1150RT that needed a custom seat, windscreen and suspension to be comfortable.  Given inflation, I think the price may be a bargain if the bike runs as well as the reviews make out.  At that time, a  closer bike to the V100 was the K1200RS which cost about $18,000 then.

The Euro has decreased in value by about 30% since 2004, offsetting inflation significantly for the US sales of European motorcycles.

[blackcat]

the 950 MS would be comparable.

Yes, the MS2V has around the same price, similar HP, similar weight, Ducati has a longer wheelbase @62 inches. Personally, the V100 is a better looking bike and I would assume a more affordable maintenance costs.  Granted the Ducati has a longer valve adjustment period, but I would guess that most owners have the dealer do that choir.

[blackcat]

BC,
time to sell your "old" Norge and get one 

Given the fact the Norge is only worth a couple of passes over the George Washington Bridge and there isn’t anything wrong with it I’m going to wait this one out until I can see one and sit on the bike. I do like the Ohlins version, wish they had the gold rims but I have a local powder coater who can make that change.

[egschade]

Don't see this Motorcycle.com review posted: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html

Very favorable review with the only real complaint being the quick-shifter not being dialed in. First real explanation on the affect of the aero wings - a discernible and favorable impact on airflow. Yeah, $15K-$17K is expensive for a Guzzi but have you priced a Ducati or BMW lately?

[janguzzi]

Technical Data

Wet weight 233 kg (According to guideline VO (EU) 168/2013 with all fluids, with standard
equipment and fuelled with at least 90% of usable tank volume)

[blackcat]

Don't see this Motorcycle.com review posted: https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html

Very favorable review with the only real complaint being the quick-shifter not being dialed in. First real explanation on the affect of the aero wings - a discernible and favorable impact on airflow. Yeah, $15K-$17K is expensive for a Guzzi but have you priced a Ducati or BMW lately?

Good review. I wonder what the maintenance is like with these valves? Similar to the current valve train on the big blocks?

“The two 96 x 72 mm pistons create a 1042cc displacement with components of combustion flowing through four-valve heads. The valves, however, no longer receive their instructions via pushrods; rather, chain-driven, dual overhead cams actuate finger followers to open and close the valves. These followers allow for more aggressive cam profiles, benefitting performance, efficiency, and emissions at the same time.“

[lucian]

I'm in hopes that the camshaft finger followers are of the roller variety . I would imagine that lash adjustment will be by a shim arrangement as the whole point of going to finger followers is to eliminate reciprocating mass ie; screw adjusters, allowing for higher rpm's . Whatever the adjustment method is it will still be easy access in true Guzzi fashion I heard 10,000 mile intervals.

[janguzzi]

Some facts, source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPdQbymS-fs

[Murray]

Specs and pricing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8sy9-nFjw you don't have to noodle it! whatever that is (thanks youtube auto translate!)

[Bulldog9]

So as the specs have been dribbling out and pics emerge, it seems like the V100 is a VERY close match to the 1200 Sport.

A few take aways - The V100 is:
- Lower in displacement by 109cc, but up on power by 24hp
- 9lbs heavier
-.5" shorter wheelbase
- 3" shorter overall
-.5" taller seat height for stock saddle
- 20mm longer suspension travel F and R
- similar estimated range of 200 miles with 1/2 gallon in tank
- triple bag setup, though it looks like all are smaller compared to the 1200 Sport running Norge Bags

I filled out a spreadsheet and copied below

Specs           Moto Guzzi 1200 Sport   Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello   
Displacement   1151cc                      1042cc   
Horsepower   93.87 @7800rpm      115hp @7800   
Torque           73.8ft lbs @6000rpm      77.4ft lbs @6750   
Curb Weight   229kg (504.9lbs)      233kg (513.6lbs)   
Wheelbase           1485mm (58.5in)      1475mm (58.07)   
Seat Height   800mm (31.5in)      815mm (32in)   
Length           2195mm (86.4in)      2125mm (83.6in)   
Rake                   25 deg                      24.7deg   
Trail                   120mm                      104mm   
Susp TravF/R   110/110                      130/130   
Fuel Capacity   6 gal                              4.5 gal   
Mileage/range   40mpg/200 (5.5gal)      50mpg/200 (4 gal)   

Of Course you HAVE to have pics.....

[averb]

You are comparing the dry weight of the Sport with the wet weight of the V100

[lucian]

And the compression ratio has gone from 11:1 on the 8v to 12.6 : 1 on the v1oo = more power and with 50% less inertia  the v100 will spin up a lot faster .

[Murray]

Also power peak is just shy of 9000rpm redline is 9500.

[blackcat]

I think the dry weight is like 467lbs but that is from memory.

[Bulldog9]

You are comparing the dry weight of the Sport with the wet weight of the V100

I think the dry weight is like 467lbs but that is from memory.

Nope, Dry weight of the V100 (at least on the Guzzi website) is 513 https://storeusa.motoguzzi.com/v100.aspx

Point is the bikes are very similar. The 1200 Sport is part power cruiser, part sports tourer. Many consider it the 'sweet spot' of the Breva/Norge/Stelvio, and is a great do it all. As much as I like the fully faired weather protection in the winter, I like the medium sport fairing on a sports touring chassis as my main touring ride. Had a Rifle fairing on my XS1100 with bags, then an FZ1 with bags from an FJR.  I also had a Concours, FJR1300 and Norge, and prefered the smaller faired bikes better.

I hope the V100 sells better than the 1200 Sport did. I remember when the 1200 Sport hit the US, I was smitten, but where to find a dealer? It wasn't till 2015 that I actually had a chance to see or ride a modern Guzzi. Started on a Griso, and immediately started looking for a 1200 Sport. Took till 2020 to get mine.

Just put a brilliant 350 miles on it today. Such a fine bike and is flawless at 77K miles.... It's going to be hard to give up, but right now the V100 is in that perfect 'slot' for me.

[rschrum]

Back in the mid 2000's, the 1000cc Rotex V twin put out 140hp.

[kingoffleece]

Without having to meet 2022 and beyond emissions requirements....... ...............

[blackcat]

Something changed because I read in a few place that this was the weight:

“All up the bike weighs in at 233 kg wet, or 212 kg dry, with a wheelbase of 1475 mm, width of 835 mm and rake and trail or 24.7 degrees and 104 mm respectively.“
https://www.mcnews.com.au/moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-deep-dive-full-specs-and-feature-list/


Dry 212KG: 467.63 lbs.

Wet: 513.67 lbs.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

No way in hell a Sport 1200 only weighs 505#??????????????????????????????????????????? Maybe with all fluids drained, no luggage racks, no accessories

[Nick]

No way in hell a Sport 1200 only weighs 505#??????????????????????????????????????????? Maybe with all fluids drained, no luggage racks, no accessories

Dry weight: 229 Kg (505 Lbs)

https://www.webbikeworld.com/moto-guzzi-1200-sport/

[blackcat]