V100 Mandello Merged Threadfest

[bad Chad]

It handles a "little better" than a v85?   I haven't ridden either yet, but I would hope it handles a good deal better than the 85.   It's all subjective, so I'm sure he knows what he's talking about anyway.

[LowRyter]

Quick review from Richard in Phoenix.      He's had his green/grey 100S for little over a month.  He has 1700+ miles on his bike.  Handles a little better than his V85.  The wings deploying is a little distracting.     The bike pulls hard with great torque and no lag.  The suspension is great in that it adjusts when needed.  He's added bags on it and the mounts are cool.      He's looking at it for 2 up touring vs his V85 for solo touring.  I did tell him that he can use my Cal1400T.   

the V85TT has tall soft suspension that settles in a corner, it's an Adventure bike, not a Sport Tourer.... not an apt comparison IMO.

I didn't find the Mandello wings a distraction since they were out of my field of vision, I had to look down to actually see them. Of course, they can be turned off.  It's fast , has brakes and handles.  It'll hit 90+ in traffic when you aren't trying.  Doesn't feel like my legacy Guzzis and is definitely a modern bike.   

[Huzo]

It handles a "little better" than a v85?   I haven't ridden either yet, but I would hope it handles a good deal better than the 85.   It's all subjective, so I'm sure he knows what he's talking about anyway.

What was it about the V85 that leads you to suggest that the V100 needs to be better ?

[Tom]

Solo touring vs 2 up touring.  Same bike can be different when set up solo vs 2 up.    

[jrt]

Soft suspension or whatever- the V85 handles pretty darn well. 

[Huzo]

Soft suspension or whatever- the V85 handles pretty darn well.

Yep.
When I’m a better rider than it is a bike, then I’ll get something else.

[2WheelsUp]

the V85TT has tall soft suspension that settles in a corner, it's an Adventure bike, not a Sport Tourer.... not an apt comparison IMO.

I didn't find the Mandello wings a distraction since they were out of my field of vision, I had to look down to actually see them. Of course, they can be turned off.  It's fast , has brakes and handles.  It'll hit 90+ in traffic when you aren't trying.  Doesn't feel like my legacy Guzzis and is definitely a modern bike.

So how does the Mandello compare to your Ducati SS? As a long time Guzzi rider, I'm having a hard time imagining a Guzzi performing (as in acceleration/braking/handing) on par with a modern Ducati.

On a related note, I saw a red Madello at COTA last week that AF1 brought to the brewery. Beautiful... it had a Leo Vince slip-on that looked a bit out of place given it was very small.

[bad Chad]

I didn't say or imply that the v85 doesn't handle well.  From all I have heard, the 85 does quite well for an adventure bike.  However, I would expect a dedicated Sport Tour to handle better by it's very nature, that it's a SPORT TOUR.      Putting a very good rider on each bike back to back through juicy twisty roads, I would expect the V100 to walk away from the V85.

Put a ver good rider on each bike back to back, on shitty roads, gravel, off road, I would expect the V85 to watch the v100 disappear in the mirrors.

I'm looking forward to riding both, the v85 looks  very comfy for long rides!

[rocker59]

the V85TT has tall soft suspension that settles in a corner, it's an Adventure bike, not a Sport Tourer.... not an apt comparison IMO.

I didn't find the Mandello wings a distraction since they were out of my field of vision, I had to look down to actually see them. Of course, they can be turned off.  It's fast , has brakes and handles.  It'll hit 90+ in traffic when you aren't trying.  Doesn't feel like my legacy Guzzis and is definitely a modern bike.

 

[LowRyter]

So how does the Mandello compare to your Ducati SS? As a long time Guzzi rider, I'm having a hard time imagining a Guzzi performing (as in acceleration/braking/handing) on par with a modern Ducati.

On a related note, I saw a red Madello at COTA last week that AF1 brought to the brewery. Beautiful... it had a Leo Vince slip-on that looked a bit out of place given it was very small.

For me the SS is just about perfect.  The Mandello is 50lb heavier and feels it.  The Duc is more flickable.  I like more leverage with the pegs to get a good handling feel and prefer that on the SS, despite this, I didn't think the Guzzi had more leg room.  The engines are comparable, the difference is the transmission, where the Guzzi has some advantage with a wider ratio for all around riding and the Duc better for performance.  The difference to me is that I felt "on" the Guzzi, whereas as I feel "in" the bike with Duc, and my Guzzis. 

Again. the V100 rides a lot like that the Yamaha.  I could use smidge more legroom to make it tourer.  My Duc is more barebones whereas the Guzzi has more features and cruise control.  The Duc is Touring Sport bike whereas the Guzzi a Sport Tourer.

[mojohand]

Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. Very nice in person, honestly.

[Bulldog9]

Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. Very nice in person, honestly.

Great pics. Moto Richmond is a great shop.

[sdcr]

Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. Very nice in person, honestly.

The red ones definitely are lookers.

[Vagrant]

Just a warning to those new to TPMS. My 2012 Goldwing had them and I think they were the same ones they used in the cars. They stuck way out from the rim and were very easy to snap off when changing the tire. My dealer knew that and still broke one. He paid but it was $180 plus he had to get a new computer program to program it. So, be careful when replacing tires just in case.

[bad Chad]

This is kind of fun,  if you haven't seen the commercial, great, watch this first, then the commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOoW4Lb482A&t=2s

then watch the final product...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2TpzDMTViQ

[Huzo]

Yeah that’s good, I don’t mind him at all. He seems kind of authentic and “real”.

[azccj]

Just a warning to those new to TPMS. My 2012 Goldwing had them and I think they were the same ones they used in the cars. They stuck way out from the rim and were very easy to snap off when changing the tire. My dealer knew that and still broke one. He paid but it was $180 plus he had to get a new computer program to program it. So, be careful when replacing tires just in case.

I have the MG OEM TPM sensors  mounted in the wheels of my 2022 V85tt Travel. I was shocked to see how much MG wants for one just in case I someday need a replacement. When I say shocked I mean just how inexpensive they are at $63.53 each. Go price the TPM sensors from Honda Triumph or BMW and you'll see what I mean.

[ssrealty]

I also had a Ducati SS S. Both engines felt similar- power, quick shifter, responsiveness.  But the Ducati SS is a much more sporty bike. Handle bars are much lower and less comfortable for a long ride. The V100 riding position is much more comfortable when I test rode several weeks ago. I would say the V100 riding position is more similar to a Ducati Diavel as comparison.

[Bpreynolds2]

For any owners who now have a few miles on a new V100, what kind of range/mpg numbers are you seeing? 

[tazio]

For any owners who now have a few miles on a new V100, what kind of range/mpg numbers are you seeing?

Interested to get these numbers too.
Published tank capacities show
 .211 US gallon difference between this Sport touring bike and the GRiSO...

[skippy]

Interested to get these numbers too.
Published tank capacities show
 .211 US gallon difference between this Sport touring bike and the GRiSO...

I have been getting 180 miles to a tank with about a gallon still left. The fuel light comes on pretty early at around 150 miles and my anxiety kicks in so I hustle to the nearest fuel station for peace of mind. It does, of course, depend on whether I am cruising down the interstate at a steady 85mph or brisky riding the two-lane roads at 70mph. The two-lane roads I am averaging around 60 mpg and the drone down the interstate returns around 50 mpg.

Skippy 

[tazio]

Nice, and thank you.

[jrt]

Got to see one in the fresh at Moto Richmond. Very nice in person, honestly.

Wow, those are good looking bikes.

On ADVRider, a couple people report at or close to 50mpg for the V100 for normal riding (i.e. not spirited).

[Dave Swanson]

Hot off the press.

[blackcat]

So, what do you think?

[Tom]

Already a recall on this bike.

[Dave Swanson]

Already a recall on this bike.

I believe this is what you are referring to.  Discussed earlier.

https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=119198.0

[Dave Swanson]

When I picked up the bike yesterday Enzo mentioned that the "S" is selling well, but the base model is not.  The S package perceived value is very high.

[blu guzz]

It was the same value equation when the V85 was introduced.  Another grand for the Adventure that had $2,000 worth of bags and racks on it.  Pretty simple math.  The V100S has extras that are worth more than the asking price as well.  A standard Ohlins setup without power adjustments would be over $2,000 by itself plus the install if you did not do it yourself as well as the shifter which I have no idea what that is worth.  It just seems like a better value to me.  If you are already committed to spending $15,500, what's another 2 grand?

[Clifton]

I think what this illustrates is we appreciate good suspension and are willing to pay more for it. It doesn't add *that* much cost at the manufacture level but when we have to pay retail for poor suspension only to junk it and pay retail again for good suspension, it gets very costly.  European manufacturers have recently been providing the option of better or upgraded suspension, I only wish the Japanese would do the same. Let's see I'll take a CRF300L "S model" with top shelf forks and shock.
BTW the Guzzi dealer here has V100's on the floor, all base models.