V100 Stelvio Merged Threadfest

[SLDMRossi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXdTAFnfFg

Steven Rossi



updated subject line - R59

[bad Chad]

I hate AI generated speech.

[s1120]

With how popular the ADV bikes are its really a natural that they do this. As far as ADV bikes go the old Stelvio, and also the V85 were some of the best looking of the bunch. I hope that continues with the new V1000 offering.

[Bulldog9]

I hate AI generated speech.

Agreed, I turned it off in 10 seconds.

But as we are Stelvio Speculating........ ... 

Assuming the basic chassis carries over, I'm hoping for:

1. Same weight range as Mandello
2. Consistent Color Palates across motorcycle (i.e. Valve Covers/Rims, Bags/Paint)
3. 6+ Gallon Fuel Tank
4. NO Beak (hate the ADV beak)
5. Larger TFT
6. Switchable ABS and TC (as in can turn off)
7. Crash bars from factory
8. Multiple switchable accessory power leads (GPS, Fogs)
9. Factory Heated Grips
10. REAL passenger capability
11. GS competitive suspension travel and performance

What'r yours?

[Perazzimx14]

Agreed, I turned it off in 10 seconds.

But as we are Stelvio Speculating........ ... 

Assuming the basic chassis carries over, I'm hoping for:

1. Same weight range as Mandello
2. Consistent Color Palates across motorcycle (i.e. Valve Covers/Rims, Bags/Paint)
3. 6+ Gallon Fuel Tank
4. NO Beak (hate the ADV beak)
5. Larger TFT
6. Switchable ABS and TC (as in can turn off)
7. Crash bars from factory
8. Multiple switchable accessory power leads (GPS, Fogs)
9. Factory Heated Grips
10. REAL passenger capability
11. GS competitive suspension travel and performance

What'r yours?

My big hope would be that Guzzi is not doing what they have habitually done in the past and announce a new bike 3 to 5 years in advance of its actual release.

[DC950]

11. above.

That's what really matters.  Right now it looks like a V100 with wire wheels and a tin plate on the bottom.

It reminds me of the first generation Aprilia Caponords where they took the superb Futura, put on bars, a tin plate, added wire wheels, and that was about it.  Truly a dog of a bike.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Oh Bulldog, you know it's gonna have a beak!

[Sykestone8886]

Single sided swingarm

[AJ Huff]

Thought I'd just tack this here instead of starting a new thread.

https://www.topspeed.com/upcoming-moto-guzzi-stelvio-adv-spotted-testing-with-radar/

[rocker59]

11. above.

That's what really matters.  Right now it looks like a V100 with wire wheels and a tin plate on the bottom.

It reminds me of the first generation Aprilia Caponords where they took the superb Futura, put on bars, a tin plate, added wire wheels, and that was about it.  Truly a dog of a bike.

Like BMW, Guzzi could offer Strada and Avventura versions of the new Stelvio.    The street version with the 19 inch front wheel and 6-inches of suspension travel.  The ADV version with larger fuel tank and 8-inches of suspension travel.

[Clifton]

WR transmission. What I'd like to see manufacturers do when using a traditional street motorcycle as the starting point for an adventure motorcycle, is change the gearbox ratios to give a lower 1st and taller 6th. Generally they just cheap out and leave them the same which means 1st is too tall for picking your way up a rocky, rutted, road, when loaded down with gear for traveling, and 6th is a little too low for covering long distances at 80 mph. So they compromise by slightly lowering the FD ratio which doesn't help lower 1st much but further raises RPM at highway speeds. T700 and most GS's for example.

[Socalrob]

Well said. 

I would like to see the Adaptive Cruise Control.  After having it on my Multistrada, would not want to be without it.

[Checkswrecks]

Looking to replace my Tiger 1200, I rode a V100 Mandello, then a V85TT, then a KTM 890R and I have seen the light!!!

The Mandello has a real nice balance in a sport tourer, even if the seating position was not something I'd want to spend too many hours in. Something to consider when looking at photos is that the engine is pretty small physically, but the real news was how the relatively short stroke engine likes to rev without the heavy thudding torque of the 1200 twins. It's REALLY nice!

The V85TT is a bike that many here are probably quite familiar with. I'm about to buy one as it makes me think of a lighter weight 650Strom with more torque but a bit more power would sure be nice.

Then I rode the 890R and while it was too much of a dirt bike for what I want, the engine was fantastic. At idle it doesn't have the Guzzi Mandello idle or rocking when you blip the throttle, but once it starts to rev it felt a LOT like the Mandello did. Looking at the hp and torque specs reveals that they are not that dissimilar.

If the new V100 Stelvio essentially puts the 890 engine in something close to the ergonomics of a V85, the new Stelvio can't get here fast enough and I may be selling a fairly new V85TT next year.

[egschade]

Looking to replace my Tiger 1200, I rode a V100 Mandello, then a V85TT, then a KTM 890R and I have seen the light!!!

The Mandello has a real nice balance in a sport tourer, even if the seating position was not something I'd want to spend too many hours in. Something to consider when looking at photos is that the engine is pretty small physically, but the real news was how the relatively short stroke engine likes to rev without the heavy thudding torque of the 1200 twins. It's REALLY nice!

The V85TT is a bike that many here are probably quite familiar with. I'm about to buy one as it makes me think of a lighter weight 650Strom with more torque but a bit more power would sure be nice.

Then I rode the 890R and while it was too much of a dirt bike for what I want, the engine was fantastic. At idle it doesn't have the Guzzi Mandello idle or rocking when you blip the throttle, but once it starts to rev it felt a LOT like the Mandello did. Looking at the hp and torque specs reveals that they are not that dissimilar.

If the new V100 Stelvio essentially puts the 890 engine in something close to the ergonomics of a V85, the new Stelvio can't get here fast enough and I may be selling a fairly new V85TT next year.

I own a V85 Adventure and logged 600+ miles on the V100 during my Guzzi Experience ride. Also swapped off with V85 riders during the ride and prefer the V85. There's no doubt the V100's engine is superior but I much prefer the ride and ergonomics of the V85.

We'll see what the performance and price point are for the new Stelvio but it's going to take a lot to unseat the V85 as my favorite.

[Clifton]

I thought I posted this yesterday I guess I forgot to hit reply..... anyway.

From what I'm gathering the first Stelvios are to ship here in December for arrival late in the month or early January. The price will be $16,390.

The following are included:
Cruise control
5.5 (US) gallon or 21L tank for 250 mile range
An extra "off-road" mode over the Mandelo. In off road ABS can be turned off. (Hopefully TC as well?)
Electrically adjustable shield.

Optional:
Plastic panniers 30l LH, 29l RH.
Heated grips
Heated seats in all 3 heights
Center stand
Aux lights
TPMS
Quickshifter
Radar cruise/safety suite

It undercuts a base R1300GS by $3,500 which is probably where it needs to be priced, neither will have electronic suspension, radar, etc.

[aproud1]

I thought I posted this yesterday I guess I forgot to hit reply..... anyway.

From what I'm gathering the first Stelvios are to ship here in December for arrival late in the month or early January. The price will be $16,390.

The following are included:
Cruise control
5.5 (US) gallon or 21L tank for 250 mile range
An extra "off-road" mode over the Mandelo. In off road ABS can be turned off. (Hopefully TC as well?)
Electrically adjustable shield.

Optional:
Plastic panniers 30l LH, 29l RH.
Heated grips
Heated seats in all 3 heights
Center stand
Aux lights
TPMS
Quickshifter
Radar cruise/safety suite

It undercuts a base R1300GS by $3,500 which is probably where it needs to be priced, neither will have electronic suspension, radar, etc.

You saved it. This is somehow a bonus V100 Stelvio Merged threadfest not included (yet) on the main thread.

[willowstreetguzziguy]

Are the V100’s more of a bike that needs to be taken to the dealer for routine maintenance more than the V85’s? In other words, is the V100 maintenance harder for the average rider than the V85? I realize that is a relative question. For instance, I have been able to do most of the maintenance on my 1200 Sport over 10 years of ownership and only take it to the dealer in dire circumstances, like one time. With the closest dealer only 1 hour away, it requires 4 hours of car driving to drop it off and pick it up.

[rocker59]

  neither will have electronic suspension, radar, etc.

They're showing them at EICMA with the nose radar.  Are you saying that the first batch to the USA will not have that feature installed?

[rocker59]

Are the V100’s more of a bike that needs to be taken to the dealer for routine maintenance more than the V85’s? In other words, is the V100 maintenance harder for the average rider than the V85? I realize that is a relative question. For instance, I have been able to do most of the maintenance on my 1200 Sport over 10 years of ownership and only take it to the dealer in dire circumstances, like one time. With the closest dealer only 1 hour away, it requires 4 hours of car driving to drop it off and pick it up.

I think the V100 will be more difficult to service, but will require it at much longer intervals.  So, maybe an occasional trip to the dealership won't be so bad.

[Huzo]

I think the V100 will be more difficult to service, but will require it at much longer intervals.  So, maybe an occasional trip to the dealership won't be so bad.

Will be great, as long as they know what they’re doing.

[Clifton]

They're showing them at EICMA with the nose radar.  Are you saying that the first batch to the USA will not have that feature installed?

Yes.

[Bulldog9]

Being that MotoMachines already has HB racks for the Mandello, I figure they will have them for the Stelvio. I'd be looking at buying the racks and strapping soft panniers to them, and adding a topcase. That is when they change the engine and swingarm to black. I really don't like the silver. Also waiting to see the crash bar/light mounting options.

[blackcat]

I'd wait if they don't have this technology on the bikes shipped to the USA:

https://youtu.be/0nnmIb038uY?si=sFFl6WRRprSou4th

"PFF Rider Assistance Solution®
The Stelvio is the first Moto Guzzi equipped with PFF Rider Assistance Solution® technology as a factory option. The innovative solution was developed by Piaggio Fast Forward (PFF), the Boston-based robotics company founded by Piaggio in 2015.
Unlike traditional systems, it uses 4D radar imaging technology to provide an exceptionally wide field of vision. It also ensures reliable monitoring of factors, regardless of the level of illumination and ambient conditions.

The front and rear PFF Rider Assistance Solution® devices comprise four different functions designed to improve safety and deliver a more rewarding riding experience."

*Not available until Q2 2024

[rocker59]

I'd wait if they don't have this technology on the bikes shipped to the USA:
 
The front and rear PFF Rider Assistance Solution® devices comprise four different functions designed to improve safety and deliver a more rewarding riding experience."

*Not available until Q2 2024

Agreed.  Everyone will want it, and bikes without it will suffer at resale.

[Trialsman]

Can't say that is true as I already ordered one with out the Radar.

[Vagrant]

I might be an old Luddite, but I can assure you radar is the last thing I want on my motorcycle. If you need it to drive you don't need to be driving.

[bad Chad]

Indeed, I suspect there will be plenty who will happily opt out of the added complexity of a radar system.

[Moparnut72]

We have adaptive cruise control on our Jeep. I use it all the when I am driving especially when we are going to Reno with all the  crazy drivers there. It can tell quicker than me when traffic is slowing suddenly. The main issue with it is that it will hit the brakes pretty hard when someone swerves into my lane right in front of me. You may like it.
kk

[Vagrant]

We have adaptive cruise control on our Jeep. I use it all the when I am driving especially when we are going to Reno with all the  crazy drivers there. It can tell quicker than me when traffic is slowing suddenly. The main issue with it is that it will hit the brakes pretty hard when someone swerves into my lane right in front of me. You may like it.
kk

Nope! That's why I hate it most. At that point the guy behind you currently fighting with his wife on the phone and already following way too close smashes into your rear. The other issue is when your driving sanely in the slow lane doing 70 in a 70 and you finally realise you are only doing 50 now because you caught up to the guy in front and your car just calmly kept slowing down.
JMHO

[blackcat]

I can’t seem to find the cost to add this option but it must be reasonably priced consider it’s going on scooters.  The bonus is that the system will let other vehicles radar devices know of your presence and in an increasingly large tech world on cars, trucks,etc., this could be a worthwhile investment.

“Now Piaggio has filed a patent application for another type of radar reflector—again drawing on marine-based systems—that uses active tech rather than simply an array of passive mirrors. Piaggio’s idea is to build a smaller, simpler, cheaper version of the large high-powered active radars that boats use, that would work over just a few hundred yards on the road.

Piaggio’s patent points out the problem it’s trying to solve, saying that radars “under certain conditions do not allow effective identification of narrow-profile vehicles, such as motorcycles.” The firm’s active radar reflectors are extremely simple pieces of electronics, consisting of a receiving antenna, a control chip, an amplifier, and a transmitting antenna. Unlike passive reflectors, the active ones could be hidden on a bike—Piaggio suggests one in the headlight and a second in the taillight would provide nearly 360-degree coverage—and actually boost the “reflection” that they send out, making the bike a stronger radar target than it could otherwise be.

In its most basic form, the reflector receives the signal from a car’s radar, amplifies it, and transmits it back, but Piaggio’s design also allows for the addition of a signal modulator to compensate for any delays in that process and to ensure the return signal gives the right information to the radar that emitted the original wave.“

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-news/piaggio-developing-active-radar-reflectors/