Bought a stolen V7, fixing it up a bit for as cheap as possible

[adri]

Did you click on the video and then decide it was spam?  Because if not I'm thinking your wife now sleeps in a separate bedroom and you are taking out your frustration on this guy.   

lol thank you. Someone had to say it. But let's try to be nice to this person... What's that old saying? Never attribute to malice what could be attributed to ignorance.

This person probably doesn't realize that YouTube pays about $4 per 1,000 views. Which means a single view is worth less than half of a penny.

You guys already know that, comparatively speaking, nobody owns a Moto Guzzi V7, versus, say, the top offerings from Harley and the Japanese brands.

No one with half a brain is going to spend tens of hours making videos about Moto Guzzi V7s if their goal is to make money or get a lot of views, when they could put that time and effort towards making the same content on far more popular models and get far greater results. If you're making content on a niche motorcycle that has comparatively no owners, you're doing it out of passion, plain and simple.

That being said, if anyone on this forum has watched one of my videos, and feels that my content isn't loaded with information, please post here for all to see and I will cut up a penny and give you $0.004.

[twowheeladdict]

1. I read his descriptions and I'm not interested in his videos.

2. YouBoober's are monetarily rewarded by clicks. So I'm weighing that motivation for his posting against his altruism to help people with his videos.

3. By most definitions it's spam on a discussion board. I E. An account with little or no use other than to self promote. I called a spade something you dig with and that was it. (Also remember this board has a rather stringent no advertising policy in this section which I would argue this could fall under since the link itself is the revenue generator).

And past my initial objection, I wasn't going to comment anymore. I made my position clear and I would happily move on

But if others want to discuss or debate the position or challenge it, that's fine I'm happy to participate, though I think it's useless.

Most importantly, I don't begrudge anyone who enjoys this type of content, carry on and have fun.

I didn't click on the link because I had no interest which is why I commented on your comment to him.  Someone just doing a video is much different than someone using a video to market for a company in my mind. 

When people try to be influencers I don't subscribe or watch their videos. 

[Dirk_S]

I just don’t like the vibe—and Kev might agree or not—that you’re giving off by approaching a Guzzi-specific community board FULL of men and women with great knowledge about Guzzis, with tons of threads pointing out academic and empirical knowledge about these Italian machines, coming on here very fresh and immediately soliciting your channel like we should care why people choose Triumphs.

For me, it’s two things—

1) That itself is not fresh content for this avenue. Most Guzzisti on this forum are pretty aware of the exhausting loads of articles and YouTube videos comparing the bikes we own and how to balance a wheel. It’s kinda stale by now, isn’t it? Maybe it hits better on one of those Facebook groups, but this isn’t Facebook. This is where you go to get away from FB and the like to dive deeper into our passion for these bikes (and sometimes other topics for better or worse).

2) Within just a couple posts, you’ve already displayed that you’re primarily here to promote your YouTube channel first. That’s not what these community boards are about. That’s not campfire discussion. That’s not community. That’s ego driving behind the wheel.

Perhaps it’s nuanced or subjective, but if you’re promoting your media channel, I prefer the approach of folks like Nick Adams, a pure Guzzisti and writer with a YouTube channel, who creates content that nobody else does, writes about what he loves, and has been around long enough for us to know that he’s not here to promote himself and then peace out.

So—stick around here, get comfortable, join in around the campfire, and don’t act like we’ve not seen this stuff before ;)

[Kev m]

I didn't click on the link because I had no interest which is why I commented on your comment to him.  Someone just doing a video is much different than someone using a video to market for a company in my mind. 

When people try to be influencers I don't subscribe or watch their videos.

No dude, you didn't just "comment" to me, you went full rude attack and very personal.

I just called him out on his motivations, big difference. See Dirk's post for more nuance, I wasn't going to bother with more of a description as I figured most here would get it without explanation.

Also what's the definition of a company? Because YouBoober's are businesses, and despite what anyone might claim for motivation I don't think many (any?) do it hoping for fewer hits.

Carry on.

[adri]

No dude, you didn't just "comment" to me, you went full rude attack and very personal.

You've simultaneously made multiple very rude and very personal with attacks on me, my character, and my morals... but when someone made a one-off comment about you, you decide that's not okay? 

You've shared your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on a topic on the internet here, while at the same time disparaging the OP for sharing his thoughts and feelings on a topic in his own thread?! 

Your hypocrisy is great, but not as great as your irrational witch-hunt mindset. I took my time to explain the back end of how YouTube works for financial and social growth, to educate you on why your concern doesn't make any rational sense whatsoever. You decided reality has no meaning to you, and to completely ignore the context of the content, because it doesn't fit the narrative for me you've created in your head.

I'm holding up a mirror at your behavior. If you actually care about the quality of what goes in this forum and you aren't just trying to belittle someone else to make yourself feel better, maybe you should have a good hard look in that mirror I'm holding up. What you see might make you worry less about what and how other people are sharing in the forum, and start to worry more about what and how you're sharing in the here.

In italian we say brutta figura. If you don't know what it means, look in the mirror.

[adri]

Re: People not being interested in a video about tire/wheel changes

You shouldn't watch it then. Don't worry, I'm not expecting anyone to watch and I won't take personal offence if no one does. Heck I didn't even post this last video until a week after it was already out because I didn't think anyone would care about it so it wasn't a big priority. There is a whole lot of internet out there. 99% isn't for me. I'm human too. Don't watch stuff you won't like. That's normal. I get it lol

BUT, if I come across someone who makes baking videos, something that I have no interest in, I'm not going to disparage that person and be all "hey screw you for making baking videos!" lol.

If anything, I'll be happy they're doing that. Someone out there, like my girlfriend, watches and loves those videos. That person probably loves making them. And I'm happy that they're doing it because it can help my girlfriend with something she's passionate about. Everyone wins.

Pic of little miss sweet tooth in the Moto Guzzi museum in Mandello del Lario.

[Kev m]

You've simultaneously made multiple very rude and very personal with attacks on me, my character, and my morals... but when someone made a one-off comment about you, you decide that's not okay? 

You've shared your thoughts, feelings, and opinions on a topic on the internet here, while at the same time disparaging the OP for sharing his thoughts and feelings on a topic in his own thread?! 

Your hypocrisy is great, but not as great as your irrational witch-hunt mindset. I took my time to explain the back end of how YouTube works for financial and social growth, to educate you on why your concern doesn't make any rational sense whatsoever. You decided reality has no meaning to you, and to completely ignore the context of the content, because it doesn't fit the narrative for me you've created in your head.

I'm holding up a mirror at your behavior. If you actually care about the quality of what goes in this forum and you aren't just trying to belittle someone else to make yourself feel better, maybe you should have a good hard look in that mirror I'm holding up. What you see might make you worry less about what and how other people are sharing in the forum, and start to worry more about what and how you're sharing in the here.

In italian we say brutta figura. If you don't know what it means, look in the mirror.

Ha

Cry me a river Justin,

I questioned your lack of participation and sincerity towards altruism as motivation for your participation in this site. If you think that's the equivalent of a personal attack suggesting problems with someone's marriage we have nothing to discuss (<---nicest thing I could think of to say).

And please, your morals?      Drama much.

And hypocrisy? Nope try again. Mirror ha.

Oh thank you for explaining what didn't need explaining, you can read that as how YouBoob works or how to fix a dent or change a tire.

Dude I've spent two decades helping people with tech problems on this forum. I'm quite comfortable with my contributions. Just because I'm also willing to share thoughts on other members "contributions" (positive or not), or call a spade, a spade, doesn't change that.

How about prove me wrong instead of crying foul?

Stick around, keep sharing, maybe something that a person here asks and needs, not just what you want to produce for self promotion.

And if I'm wrong, I'll say I'm sorry.

We can reconvene in a year or two and discuss progress.

Till then I'm out unless you want to keep dragging me back in.

[adri]

Thank God lol

[twowheeladdict]

No dude, you didn't just "comment" to me, you went full rude attack and very personal.

I just called him out on his motivations, big difference. See Dirk's post for more nuance, I wasn't going to bother with more of a description as I figured most here would get it without explanation.

Also what's the definition of a company? Because YouBoober's are businesses, and despite what anyone might claim for motivation I don't think many (any?) do it hoping for fewer hits.

Carry on.

Well, you did come across like a guy who is taking out his sexual frustration on others, or just an elitist.  Just calling it like I see it.  In the spirit of around the campfire I would say this to your face with a smile hoping it was taken in the way it was meant.  Stop acting like a donkey's rear end.

[wirespokes]

You know, considering all that, it's a wonder we're allowed to post build threads, ads, and other content about Laverdas, Morinis, BMWs, etc.

So what if he compares a V7 to other bikes, and bike articles have done that before??? This is his take and I find his personal experiences interesting.

And we wonder why the younger crowd isn't drawn to Guzzis when a bright young face is treated this way. Shame on us.

[Kev m]

Well, you did come across like a guy who is taking out his sexual frustration on others, or just an elitist.  Just calling it like I see it.  In the spirit of around the campfire I would say this to your face with a smile hoping it was taken in the way it was meant.  Stop acting like a donkey's rear end.

Nah I call bullshit. No way you'd say this to my face. Especially since doubling down on it like you are shows "the way it was meant."

And you say I'm being an ass? But now you've now come at me twice and I've not dropped to your level.

But I'm the elitist, because I don't like spam?

You realize that's all I objected to... Spam and nothing but.

I don't know why you got so butthurt over it? Maybe you're projecting.

[Kev m]

You know, considering all that, it's a wonder we're allowed to post build threads, ads, and other content about Laverdas, Morinis, BMWs, etc.

So what if he compares a V7 to other bikes, and bike articles have done that before??? This is his take and I find his personal experiences interesting.

And we wonder why the younger crowd isn't drawn to Guzzis when a bright young face is treated this way. Shame on us.

To be clear I don't object at all to him posting his personal experiences, his opinions etc. I welcome that. But he hasn't posted it, he posted a link another platform that monetizes traffic. That's my objection.

Welcome and post away, become part of this site, but this is a different format.

[twowheeladdict]

Nah I call bullshit. No way you'd say this to my face. Especially since doubling down on it like you are shows "the way it was meant."

And you say I'm being an ass? But now you've now come at me twice and I've not dropped to your level.

But I'm the elitist, because I don't like spam?

You realize that's all I objected to... Spam and nothing but.

I don't know why you got so butthurt over it? Maybe you're projecting.

I sure would say it to your face because you are being a big baby.  Are you prone to violence?

you obviously pretending not to  know what spam is, or what marketing for other companies because we all know you are more intelligent than that.  This only leaves being on the rag. 

[tazio]

Enough.
Y'all go ride yer geese. We can ALL agree on that!
 

[Kev m]

I sure would say it to your face because you are being a big baby. 

you obviously pretending not to  know what spam is, or what marketing for other companies because we all know you are more intelligent than that.  This only leaves being on the rag.

That's three direct attacks and I've still not retaliated.

Seriously I'm doing my best not to call this spade a female genital cleaning product but you're not helping your own case.

I expressed an opinion, yours differed, you started calling names, but I'M the baby?!?

That's precious.

Hell you could have stopped pooping in the OP's thread a while ago, as I said I was done unless I'm dragged back in. But you can't seem to let me go.

Guess I should be flattered.

[frozengoose]

FYI...Keyboard Warrior:  Noun (slang) A person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence, instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that they would not be able to give form to in real life.  Keyboard Warriors are generally identified by apparent rage in their written communications, as they can't ignore those they disagree with, so deny, defame, and dehumanize others on the internet. They are regarded as 'losers' by their virtual opposition.
Not takin' sides here, just sayin'.

[Kev m]

FYI...Keyboard Warrior:  Noun (slang) A person who, being unable to express his anger through physical violence, instead manifests said emotions through the text-based medium of the internet, usually in the form of aggressive writing that they would not be able to give form to in real life.  Keyboard Warriors are generally identified by apparent rage in their written communications, as they can't ignore those they disagree with, so deny, defame, and dehumanize others on the internet. They are regarded as 'losers' by their virtual opposition.
Not takin' sides here, just sayin'.

Don't hold it against TwoWheel, I'm sure he's just having a bad day.

He always seemed like a nice enough guy to me.

[adri]

At this point I can't tell if Kev is just being a troll or if he's flat out delusional/disconnected from present day 2024, and, ironically, his conduct brought more attention to this thread than I ever would have.

Either way, I just wanted to say thank you to the people who DM'd me about his behavior and those that posted here about it. I appreciate you guys and thank you for that

[Kev m]

At this point I can't tell if Kev is just being a troll or if he's flat out delusional/disconnected from present day 2024, and, ironically, his conduct brought more attention to this thread than I ever would have.

Either way, I just wanted to say thank you to the people who DM'd me about his behavior and those that posted here about it. I appreciate you guys and thank you for that

Likewise is like to thank those who PM'd me both here and on FB with their words of encouragement and agreement.

And I'd like to take a moment to say "your welcome" to OP for giving his thread more attention than it got in 3/4's of a year. I'm confident he agrees he couldn't have done it without me.

But my offer stands to see how he contributes in the next year or two so that I eat my words. I could be wrong, so let's hope he steps up.

Peace ✌️

[Dirk_S]

Adri, the way you’re responding to Kev and his comments is pretty telling and proving the point we’re trying to get across—create the content you want, but don’t just come on and play self pitchman without paying your dues and getting to know the folks who’ve been on here for a while. There are some folks on here you may not often agree with, but don’t get so defensive that you’re now on the offense, especially toward the people who’ve helped build this resourceful community. Battle them, and you simply prove your point of being someone who’s focused on drawing folks to their own arena rather than helping to build this one.

Here’s the secret—you can do both, but make sure that you at least respect this community by taking part.

Or not.

[testa_di_formaggio]

Such amusement. It would seem there is a certain amount of self assumed legitimacy to be gained on this forum by "participation". Or defamation to others because of a lack of enthusiasm due to minimal participation. Bunkum. Me, no thanks to these self promoters, seen it too many times here. Gotta show your woman? Sheeze. You see it, you smell it. No big deal. They come, and they go away. But there are plenty of participants here, that aren't really that different. Providing a continuous  stream of "see me, hear me" dreck. From personal experience, I can say that while kind of reasonably moderated, it's still curious to see that which is allowed and that which is squashed on this Forum. I am surprised that this thread wasn't locked or terminated some time ago. Live and let live peoples.

TdF

[Kev m]

Such amusement. It would seem there is a certain amount of self assumed legitimacy to be gained on this forum by "participation". Or defamation to others because of a lack of enthusiasm due to minimal participation.

If it might try to explain.

Participation in a forum is contributing to the community. It's why the forum exists and it's how you get to know each other. It builds trust in the reliability of the information, the willingness to help, that sales of parts are real, that intentions are good, etc.

A lack of participation, in and if itself, isn't a problem. But it doesn't help the forum or the members build community or trust. People are always welcome to lurk and not post, but when they finally do or when they're a newbie, then it takes time to, in a word, vet.

So minimal participation with nothing but links to other places comes across as self promotion, which is the at the root of spam.

Now let me add something, I'm sorry. I could have been more patient or more carefully worded with my criticism. But you'll notice I didn't comment the first time this thread was posted (1/24) and gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. I didn't even comment the second time it resurfaced (7/24). It wasn't until the third time it came up (with no other contributions - edit correction one other post in July) that I made a judgement (which still could be wrong and I hope I'm proved that way eventually).

[testa_di_formaggio]

I am certainly not for promoting links to self aggrandizing sites and spam. Such is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most folks know it when they see it. And we shine it on. Or the site moderators grease it. But lack of participating should not require vetting before ones insights, knowledge or pertinent experiences are acceptable, and lend itself to a so called community,  All these things will come out in the wash so to speak. For my own knowledge, do you feel that someone like me, who has made limited posts over a good 2 decades, should be allowed to participate, without further scrutiny? There's plenty of ways to be part of the "community", without constant participation in on line forums. Plenty of knowledgeable lurkers out there. Not to mention many good and helpful folks who left due to forum buffoonery burn out.

TdF

[tazio]

Such amusement. It would seem there is a certain amount of self assumed legitimacy to be gained on this forum by "participation". Or defamation to others because of a lack of enthusiasm due to minimal participation. Bunkum. Me, no thanks to these self promoters, seen it too many times here. Gotta show your woman? Sheeze. You see it, you smell it. No big deal. They come, and they go away. But there are plenty of participants here, that aren't really that different. Providing a continuous  stream of "see me, hear me" dreck. From personal experience, I can say that while kind of reasonably moderated, it's still curious to see that which is allowed and that which is squashed on this Forum. I am surprised that this thread wasn't locked or terminated some time ago. Live and let live peoples.

TdF

If it might try to explain.

Participation in a forum is contributing to the community. It's why the forum exists and it's how you get to know each other. It builds trust in the reliability of the information, the willingness to help, that sales of parts are real, that intentions are good, etc.

A lack of participation, in and if itself, isn't a problem. But it doesn't help the forum or the members build community or trust. People are always welcome to lurk and not post, but when they finally do or when they're a newbie, then it takes time to, in a word, vet.

So minimal participation with nothing but links to other places comes across as self promotion, which is the at the root of spam.

Now let me add something, I'm sorry. I could have been more patient or more carefully worded with my criticism. But you'll notice I didn't comment the first time this thread was posted (1/24) and gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. I didn't even comment the second time it resurfaced (7/24). It wasn't until the third time it came up (with no other contributions - edit correction one other post in July) that I made a judgement (which still could be wrong and I hope I'm proved that way eventually).

I can get behind points made in both of these posts. I might add that it's when ones EGO is allowed to drive ones subsequent responses that things get sideways. Growing more butt-hurt and defensive of a position expressed, doesn't make you more right or wrong, though it can show ones deeper insecurities. I believe it also inhibits healthy participation from members.
To summarize. Ride your ride through life. When appropriate, lift up one another with your knowledge and experiences
and then move forward and ride on.
 

[Kev m]

I am certainly not for promoting links to self aggrandizing sites and spam. Such is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most folks know it when they see it. And we shine it on. Or the site moderators grease it. But lack of participating should not require vetting before ones insights, knowledge or pertinent experiences are acceptable, and lend itself to a so called community,  All these things will come out in the wash so to speak. For my own knowledge, do you feel that someone like me, who has made limited posts over a good 2 decades, should be allowed to participate, without further scrutiny? There's plenty of ways to be part of the "community", without constant participation in on line forums. Plenty of knowledgeable lurkers out there. Not to mention many good and helpful folks who left due to forum buffoonery burn out.

TdF

No not at all, but you might need more vetting before I sent you a check for a part lol.

Again it's not scrutiny. I questioned the motivation of someone who had never posted on any other thread but the one for his YouTube videos (other than a single post made in July).

So he posted a video link then bailed, even on his own thread for 6-7 months, then popped back for a few posts in the thread and left again.

See how the motivation could be doubted?

[Kev m]

I can get behind points made in both of these posts. I might add that it's when ones EGO is allowed to drive ones subsequent responses that things get sideways. Growing more butt-hurt and defensive of a position expressed, doesn't make you more right or wrong, though it can show ones deeper insecurities. I believe it also inhibits healthy participation from members.
To summarize. Ride your ride through life. When appropriate, lift up one another with your knowledge and experiences
and then move forward and ride on.

Agreed, though I just don't take kindly to multiple direct personal attacks.

And am willing to scrap.

Also, my motivation isn't so much defending my position as explaining it.

Feel free to disagree, I have no problem with that. But at least understand the motivation.

I'll be happy if I'm proven wrong here.

[red stripeguz]

I am certainly not for promoting links to self aggrandizing sites and spam. Such is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most folks know it when they see it. And we shine it on. Or the site moderators grease it. But lack of participating should not require vetting before ones insights, knowledge or pertinent experiences are acceptable, and lend itself to a so called community,  All these things will come out in the wash so to speak. For my own knowledge, do you feel that someone like me, who has made limited posts over a good 2 decades, should be allowed to participate, without further scrutiny? There's plenty of ways to be part of the "community", without constant participation in on line forums. Plenty of knowledgeable lurkers out there. Not to mention many good and helpful folks who left due to forum buffoonery burn out.

TdF

I've seen it a lot on forums where long time member's egos start to take over. When you start gatekeeping who is or is not "an actual member of the community" you end up hurting the forum (by squashing new members interest in posting) than helping it like they think

[Kev m]

I've seen it a lot on forums where long time member's egos start to take over. When you start gatekeeping who is or is not "an actual member of the community" you end up hurting the forum (by squashing new members interest in posting) than helping it like they think

Not gatekeeping.

I questioned motives. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

I encourage anyone to post away and share in more than just one thread they created to self promote.

[adri]

I've seen it a lot on forums where long time member's egos start to take over. When you start gatekeeping who is or is not "an actual member of the community" you end up hurting the forum (by squashing new members interest in posting) than helping it like they think

Well said.

It's also worth noting that this thread existed, with no complaints from anyone whatsoever for 9 months... Then one person came along, and rather than leave a new member to keep sharing his updates on his journey as a V7 owner, decided to let their ego takeover, and make the thread all about himself and his trolling, regardless of how many forum members disagree with him, and how many Likes from forum members the OP's posts get from forum members.

It's gatekeeping like you said, but it's not just gatekeeping, either, it's like that Roosevelt reference to "the man in the arena" too...

People who've never played pro football always seem to be the ones who think they know best about what should or shouldn't be done, and shout at the players and the coaches
... from behind their tv screens.

Likewise, the people who couldn't be bothered to put in the work to help a hundred thousand motorcyclists every month, or build a community of tens of thousands of riders, always seem to be the ones who think they know best about how to help riders, and help grow online motorcycle communities
... from behind their keyboards.

[Kev m]

It's also worth noting that this thread existed, with no complaints from anyone whatsoever for 9 months... Then one person came along, and rather than leave a new member to keep sharing his updates on his journey as a V7 owner, decided to let their ego takeover, and make the thread all about himself

Ahem, I actually explained this. I didn't comment those first 7 months waiting to see if you were going to actually be a part of the forum and discourse.

It's only when you came back a third time for nothing more than "come click my link" that I commented.

This isn't about me, this is about me calling you out and you still haven't taken any steps to change that. If anything you've double downed right

But I still hope to be proven wrong.

Likewise, the people who couldn't be bothered to put in the work to a hundred thousand motorcyclists every month, or build a community of tens of thousands of riders, always seem to be the ones who think they know best about how to help riders, and help grow online motorcycle communities
... from behind their keyboards.

What?!? So now you're putting in the work to a hundred thousand motorcyclists every month?

Huh?