EICMA 2024 Milan Motorcycle Show

[Kev m]

As both a V7 owner and a (now discontinued) Harley Sportster 1200 owner... How much longer can Moto Guzzi avoid making the V7 liquid cooled and still meet emissions requirements?

As a former Harley owner you might get that it's largely a balance between the priorities of performance and emissions.

I mean Harley still sells mostly air-cooled bikes.

And BMW went the other direction stepping back a little from water cooled bikes releasing new lines of air cooled boxers.

So it really depends on market pressures and regulatory pressures but fans of air-cooled motors shouldn't give up hope quite yet.

[Dirk_S]

As both a V7 owner and a (now discontinued) Harley Sportster 1200 owner... How much longer can Moto Guzzi avoid making the V7 liquid cooled and still meet emissions requirements?

Yep, always a concern, but the same can be applied to any other air-cooled bike currently out there. Some are just better designed to take on the tightening restrictions (and internally, such is the case comparing the small blocks to the recently extinct big blocks). As for Harley, their engineers—at least in their racing departments, perhaps also the consumer-street end, too—seem to be more short-sighted and willing to work more with bandaid fixes.

I’m sure Piaggio has a good idea just how long the small block’s remaining theoretical shelf life is. Someone just needs to ask them nicely 

[Moparnut72]

Good question, I think a lot of us wonder the same thing.
kk

[rtbickel]

Impatiently waiting for the V100 California.

[bad Chad]

M/C media started predicting the coming soon demise of air cooled motors back in the mid 90s, it's 30 years later and they're still with us.  However, the end is likely not to many years off.

[PeteS]

Well the 2025 V85 passes Euro5+ so I suspect its good until more stringent standards are passed.

Pete

[bettythebear]

I read an article about Euro 5+ that basically said the criteria was the same, except that now they catalyst has to be tested in a long term way for durability and efficiency, instead of just testing the pollutants coming from a brand new bike one time. Now they have a 35k km testing cycle for degradation of the catalyst.