Monza/Le Mans-inspired V9 Project

[Dirk_S]

Just a couple teasers, a good bit yet to do. Some of what you see is still in the mockup stage:

[Huzo]

Very interesting idea Dirk…
Maybe some nice shots without the mud, but I reckon you are doing great work there…

[Kiwi_Roy]

Nice,

        The V9 is a good place to start.
Try it two up, the original seat is way too short for passenger comfort.

What are all rhose wires hanging at the back in first picture?

[Dirk_S]

Very interesting idea Dirk…
Maybe some nice shots without the mud, but I reckon you are doing great work there…

I’ll clean my bikes the day someone pays me to.

[faffi]

I am impressed Handlebar shape looks like pure torture, but god created us all unequal, so your wrists, elbows and shoulders may be designed for them.

[Tkelly]

If Guzzi did this they would have sold a lot more v9s,nice work.

[Dirk_S]

After going through the hoses a few times, tightening clamps here and there, she’s back on the road. Here are some pics:

       

And the walk-around video:

https://youtu.be/xusNY1T-I8M?si=HzI2OMwuKV20wrWa

I still want to add a headlight cowl/fairing, clip-ons, lift the rear, paint the rims, clean up some areas (rear seat bracket), set the foot controls back, maybe some bar-end mirrors, and give it a paint job. Maybe a stainless exhaust one day, too.

[faffi]

I really like the looks of it Guzzi, take notice and make us a Monza replika

[Dirk_S]

Handlebar shape looks like pure torture, but god created us all unequal, so your wrists, elbows and shoulders may be designed for them.

Had to follow up on this since I finally took it for a spin. The position actually felt great—a bit more like a 60s Euro tourer. I thought the foot pegs would be way too forward, but it’s not bad. Will have to see what it’s like at highway speed for a period of time, though.

[SIR REAL ED]

I’ll clean my bikes the day someone pays me to.

  You are my hero!! 

[Kev m]

I was skeptical about this project but mostly bit my tongue.

I have to say, I like it more and more.

[moto]

This is very impressive! My own opinion is that the wheels from a V9 Roamer would make for a more convincing tribute, if that's the appropriate word:





Still, it's your bike, so attaboy!

[Moparnut72]

The wheels look very similar to what was used on the Audace. Nice looking.
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[Dirk_S]

This is very impressive! My own opinion is that the wheels from a V9 Roamer would make for a more convincing tribute, if that's the appropriate word:





Still, it's your bike, so attaboy!

Hey, if I could have it my way, I’d be using another 18/17 combo like what’s on the pre-E5 V7’s. The front can be done—axle is the same diameter, just different length, so washers could simply make up the difference. As for the rear, the V9 and V7 final drives have different splines, combined with the V9 not having the coupler that the earlier V7 driveshaft uses. That bums me out, because I believe the V7 rear wheel will not fit onto a V9 final drive…unless there are some modifications possibly made…which I’m not adverse to. Anyway.

[faffi]

The 21-23 V7 final drive looks very similar to the V9 final drive to me. The Stone had cast wheels, and the Special wire wheels, I believe?

[Dirk_S]

The 21-23 V7 final drive looks very similar to the V9 final drive to me. The Stone had cast wheels, and the Special wire wheels, I believe?

Photos attached of the final drives for the pre-E5 V7, pre-E5 V9, and E5 V7/V9:



You’ll see the number (and shape) of the dogs on the wheel side change from 6 to 5 for the E5 bikes. Keep in mind that my V9 is a 2017 pre-E5. My final drive dogs are actually pretty similar—maybe the same?—as the pre-E5 V7’s, but they added a protective lip to the rim of the final drives. That lip gets in the way of mating a pre-E5 V7 hub (I’ve tried). I’m considering trimming the lip off.

The other potential option is to replace the V9’s final drive with one from an E5 bike, and use a V7 Special wheel as you suggested. But the part numbers of the pre-E5 V9 driveshaft and the E5 bikes do not match, so perhaps there’s a difference in the driveshaft-side splines:



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[mechanicsavant]

Good on ya ! Glad to see you have supervision. Almost puurrfect.

[faffi]

Sounds frustrating, Dirk. I wonder why a small company like Moto Guzzi, with such small production volumes, goes to the trouble of making different final drives. Unless a version proved problematic, of course. For owners, the lack of/reduced compatibility is a negative.

[Groover]

Looks great, well done!

[Crashcraddock]

Mate. Bike looks awesome. 

 I'm all in on this wheel subject as I have v7'd my v9 (2016 model) and want to put a wire wheel on the back to match the one I've put on the front.  In my investigations so far, I believe that the rear wheel spacer set and spindles (parts 2B001956, GU92204220, 2B001310, 2B001279) for the early V9's is the same as the V7 850.  From that I deduce the width of the hub section of the wheels and space between swingarms is very close.

I'm wondering if we could swap out the Flexible couplings' hub (part no's 2B001303 and 2B006860R), get new cush drive rubbers then run the new model wheel?

In regard to "The other potential option is to replace the V9’s final drive with one from an E5 bike and use a V7 Special wheel as you suggested. But the part numbers of the pre-E5 V9 driveshaft and the E5 bikes do not match, so perhaps there’s a difference in the driveshaft-side splines" or perhaps it's just the length of the shaft using the same uni joints.  I can't find a part number for either bike's uni joints, but my gut tells me that the uni joints will be the same.

[Dirk_S]

I'm wondering if we could swap out the Flexible couplings' hub (part no's 2B001303 and 2B006860R), get new cush drive rubbers then run the new model wheel?

I wondered about the coupling hub as well. The final drive housing appears to be darn near the same.

[Crashcraddock]

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I'm wondering if we could swap out the Flexible couplings' hub (part no's 2B001303 and 2B006860R), get new cush drive rubbers then run the new model wheel?


I wondered about the coupling hub as well. The final drive housing appears to be darn near the same.

I'm having nightmare flashbacks to 5 years ago when I went through this without the new 850 models being available to compare to.   Now its even more frustrating.    I've come back to what I found last time and that the easiest and even most cost effective way to put a wire wheel on a V9 is to buy a Kineo wheel.  They bolt straight on, are tubeless, look great but cost a lot (esp down under where the price is nearly double of what it costs in the US or Europe).  By the time you source drive line parts, source a rear wheel the cost is about the same but then you have to fluff around trying to make things work.

Looking at your bike, I'm thinking of changing tack.  Do you think a Bobber wheel will fit in the V7 forks?  Your bike looks hard.  I dont have my V9 triples anymore.

[Dirk_S]

Looking at your bike, I'm thinking of changing tack.  Do you think a Bobber wheel will fit in the V7 forks?  Your bike looks hard.  I dont have my V9 triples anymore.

The fork distances for the V7 are around 197mm, where I think the V9 forks are set at 210mm apart? Both use the same fork lowers, so the caliper setup is the same. Also, the V9 uses the same spacers up front that go back to the Nevada series. So, it seems like one would need to trim down both spacers by around 6.5mm each, but then you’ll also have to relocate the caliper out somehow by 6.5mm as well. The caliper is mounted on the inside of the caliper mounting tabs, so I’m assuming you’d have to mill back 6mm or so on those tabs (3mm on the caliper, 3mm on the mounting tabs), or make a 6.5mm spacer ring between the hub and rotor. Orrrr…just beg for the triples to be returned, heh.

Curious why you got rid of the triple trees? They’re a bit tall which throws off my bike’s look.

[Dirk_S]

And where did Kineo get their rear hubs? Cast/Built them to spec?

This builder was able to get wire wheels on the back of his V9 Tracker project:

https://pipeburn.com/goldammer-slammer-moto-guzzi-v9-tracker-motovida/

[Turin]

Nice job. Are you going to change up the tire sizes?

[Dirk_S]

Nice job. Are you going to change up the tire sizes?

Current plans are to keep the wheels but go smaller in tires, at least a little skinnier up front. But having ridden it around for 80 highway and city miles, I’m already pleased with the handling. Raising the forks certainly helped with that.

[faffi]

If the Tracker article is correct, the big twin wheel off a Cali from the 90s should work, which likely means many big twin wheels should fit

[Dirk_S]

If the Tracker article is correct, the big twin wheel off a Cali from the 90s should work, which likely means many big twin wheels should fit

At the very least you’d have to remove the dog ring that pokes into the cushion rubber gaps. Then, somehow source the external gear for the final drive. Never seen a final drive apart, so no idea how easy that would mate up.