Norge RTOD AGAIN?!

[Speedfrog]

Red Triangle Of Death

[brider]

Per the manual for a 2 valve per cyl. Norge, the dash is where you can read the error codes. It will show the ECU and the dash. The dash is where the OP codes are kept. If there is an X in the left check box, it's a current issue, if it's in the right box, it's stored in memory IIRR. If  do a search for DSB 07, you should be able to find a pic of the dash showing the error codes.

Pray, What does OP mean, and where is the X left box/right box description? In the owner's manual? I've seen that dash chart and cleared codes, but didn't pay any attention to which column the X's are in, probably because the Guzzi manual is soooo descriptive of must-know-to-make-sense things like that.

[brider]

Not super positive, because I have an 8V Norge, but that is the ABS connector. THe GD is up higher at the small fuse box near the seat latch, and the plastic tool bag carrier cover thinggy.

Yes, thanks I found it. Was stuffed down deep but it was there. And that plug I showed a pic of? Someone said it was an ABS plug? What diagnostic apparatus plugs into that, and for what reason (scope creep...)?

[Huzo]

RTOD = Red Triangle of Death

OP = Original Poster

[Tom H]

In THIS case due to the context of the thread ...  OP = Oil Pressure

OP has been shortened to OP in this thread.

Tom

[Kiwi_Roy]

From the manual Tom H attached

There is an oil pressure failure indication when, with engine on and over 2000 rpm, the sensor is detected as conducting (closed). In this case.

This type of switch is unreliable because of the design, they rely on a microscopic movement to operate the switch I prefer to have a Bourdon tube pressure gauge thats been a standard for hundreds of years.

[John A]

This ^^^^^^^

[Kiwi_Roy]

https://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/2007_Norge.gif
According to the schematic the ABS speed sensors are not yet available for this model, WTF?
This schematic shows a speed Sensor (49) I seem to recall another owner had a pinched cable going to the sensor taking 12 Volts to chassis.
The later bikes with ABS don't have 12 Volts to the speed sensors, they are a different type sensor.

Does your bike have ABS like this schematic?
https://www.thisoldtractor.com/guzzi007/schematics/2007_Norge_ABS.gif
This one has ABS so of course it has speed sensors
Please select from the two different schematics.

We will have to wait for you to read the error codes.

[brider]

UPDATE: Measured the MG (Italy) sensor that I removed, it measures OPEN on the bench. Measured the replacement Delco sensor (has the nail head top) I just bought and it measured CLOSED (conducting) on the bench. I installed it and am keeping fingers crossed that the sensor is the culprit.

Although this goes against my intuition; seems to the single lead on the sensor can only light the RToD if the sensor was CLOSED (conducting), whereas the current MG cycle sensor reads OPEN and the light is on.

[Huzo]

So what was wrong with just removing the negative lead from the battery, and feeding the current through a small globe to test for a parasitic drain ?
Then if the drain exists, disconnect the suspect sensor and see if the light goes out ?
Would that not tell you whether the sensor was/is the culprit ?

[brider]

So what was wrong with just removing the negative lead from the battery, and feeding the current through a small globe to test for a parasitic drain ?
Then if the drain exists, disconnect the suspect sensor and see if the light goes out ?
Would that not tell you whether the sensor was/is the culprit ?

Did all that and posted current-draw in.another current thread. Current draw is happening thru the "J" main fuse.

[blackcat]

UPDATE: Measured the MG (Italy) sensor that I removed, it measures OPEN on the bench. Measured the replacement Delco sensor (has the nail head top) I just bought and it measured CLOSED (conducting) on the bench. I installed it and am keeping fingers crossed that the sensor is the culprit.

Although this goes against my intuition; seems to the single lead on the sensor can only light the RToD if the sensor was CLOSED (conducting), whereas the current MG cycle sensor reads OPEN and the light is on.

The one that I bought from MGC (Italy) lasted one day before it went bad.

[brider]

The one that I bought from MGC (Italy) lasted one day before it went bad.

Mine lasted about 4k miles before it went bad. Took a ride with the newly-installed Delco sensor yesterday, RToD went away and no dash or ECU codes. Problem solved, although when I was in there I sure as hell was envisioning a splitter of some kind installed in that port that could accept a sensor (some inches away; the current location is infuriatingly impossible to get a wrench on) AND an oil line linked to a standard analogue guage mounted to the "acres of black dash" (shoutout to Huzo for that fine description) available. Then the next time the sensor went you'd know if you had OP or not.