Added V7 Stone to the stable

[toomanybikes]

With the addition of a '23 V7 Stone, my garage is now a two Guzzi house! It joins a V85TT, Triumph Scrambler, and two vintage Honda projects. I wasn't specifically looking for the Special Edition trim, but I do like it!

Any suggestions for a taller and/or bench seat?

[davethewelder]

Nice, I have the "ten" version.   Really like it.   I had a V85TT but traded it off.   How do feel owning two bikes with the same engine, are they different enough?

[toomanybikes]

Nice, I have the "ten" version.   Really like it.   I had a V85TT but traded it off.   How do feel owning two bikes with the same engine, are they different enough?

Agreed that it is odd to have two bikes with essentially the same engine, but the bikes overall are different, so it's not an issue for me. Plus, another bike I was considering was a Triumph T120 and I already have a Scrambler XC, so that would have been another case of the same engine. I also considered a Kawasaki W650, but the price, condition, and low mileage of the Guzzi was too good to pass up.

[Kev m]

Dudes, I've got two V7's and think they are different enough to keep em both ... And I'm thinking about a third.

It's all subjective.

[Dirk_S]

Once you start changing the geometry of the bike—wheel size, rake, trail, suspension, etc., plus different maps—the bikes begin to distance themselves from one another… are the V7/V9 E5 internals the same as a V85’s by now? If not, then we certainly have some power band differences, torque delivery, etc.

But hey—hopefully you can share some replacement and maintenance parts stuff between the two? Shared oil viscosity, perhaps? Air filter is different, if I recall.

[toomanybikes]

Once you start changing the geometry of the bike—wheel size, rake, trail, suspension, etc., plus different maps—the bikes begin to distance themselves from one another… are the V7/V9 E5 internals the same as a V85’s by now? If not, then we certainly have some power band differences, torque delivery, etc.

But hey—hopefully you can share some replacement and maintenance parts stuff between the two? Shared oil viscosity, perhaps? Air filter is different, if I recall.

From what I've read, the V7's 850 engine is a detuned version of the V85's, with maybe ten fewer hp's. Not sure why they decided to de-tune it, but it doesn't bother me either. The V7 still has plenty of juice to get you in trouble at WOT.

The air filter is different, but I'm guessing basic maintenance will be the same. I've changed oil/filter and adjusted valves on my V85, but no work yet on the V7 since I've had it less than a week and it's not due for service for another few hundred miles.

[Kev m]

From what I've read, the V7's 850 engine is a detuned version of the V85's, with maybe ten fewer hp's. Not sure why they decided to de-tune it, but it doesn't bother me either. The V7 still has plenty of juice to get you in trouble at WOT.

That's a bad assumption and over generalization.

It's really a different motor on the same basic architecture.

Not detuned, but tuned with different priorities.

[kingoffleece]

Thank you.  I didn't want to say it.

[Bulldog9]

That's a bad assumption and over generalization.

It's really a different motor on the same basic architecture.

Not detuned, but tuned with different priorities.

More than that, they have different TB depending on year, later v7 850s had the larger 52mm TB from the V85, early had the carry over 38mm IIRC. They also have different crankshafts. V85 is one piece, V7 is a pressed two piece, also different connecting rods and pistons, and lighter valve train. May be other changes as well. Probably same block, cylinders and head castings and other bolt on covers, etc are what they share.

But Even if the motors were identical, the differences in how the motorcycle is set up, suspension frame, body work etc, make them totally different and unique to warrant owning both.

Same as owning a 4v or 8v GRiSO and Norge. Same basic motor, completely different motorcycles.

Congrats!