V100 Mandello windscreen question

[MikeP996]

I while back I said I looked at a Mandello and decided it was too heavy but I'm rethinking that and am considering buying one.  I have a question for any that own one or have ridden one.

Is there turbulence/buffeting on the helmet at highway speed?   

I ask that question because I have a BMW R1200RS for which I have purchased 3 different windscreens over the years in an effort to eliminate the very unpleasant helmet buffeting and none have eliminated it.  My three naked bikes are far more comfortable to ride in that regard - no helmet buffeting at any speed.  Wind protection is not a concern for me but smooth air for the helmet is.  My BMW at highway speeds will literally rattle my teeth regardless which windscreen I install.  :(

Thanks for any comments/suggestions.

[blu guzz]

My first RS was the 100 variety and the wind management on that bike was like the "Cone of Silence" in the old Get Smart TV show. The prototype for what all faired bikes should aspire to be.
My next RS was the 1100 type and it had a screen that was adjustable for rake angle. Sounds like a good idea. That thing would flap around, especially if there were any other vehicles in the area. Nearly beat my head to death.  The mechanism was set at the bottom several inches of the screen and did not have the strength to hold it steady. A shockingly poor design for a company with a wind tunnel.  I eventually disabled the adjustment which helped just a little but was never happy with the wind management.  One problem then, in the early 2000s was that the RS sold is such small numbers compared to the RT that there were not many accessories available for them but I tried a few screens with similar results.
I hope there are better options for the Mandello.

[PeteS]

I wouldn’t call it buffeting. It helps keep the air off your chest but your helmet is in clean air. Not at all annoying.
What is annoying is searching for the menu that lets you move it up and down. Why not a simple switch of its own?


Pete

[Moparnut72]

I no longer own a Mandello. I tried a few things on mine but never got rid of the disturbed air. The mid position for the shield no matter which one, worked the best. But I wasn't happy with anything so this is what I did. The body work took the pressure of my chest and the buffeting was gone. I am old and probably more sensitive than most but I did what I could to make riding more comfortable.
kk

[MikeP996]

I would have no problem with that "cover" - did you make that yourself or is it an aftermarket item?

Out of curiosity, why did you part with the Mandello, was it primarily for that reason (wind management) or other considerations?

[rocker59]

I'm the same way.  Prefer my helmet in clean air with the Windstream on my chest..  For me, the answer would be the smallest windscreen possible.

The Sport 1100 was perfect for me.  The V11 LeMans a close second.  On my 1998 Triumph Sprint, I cut the screen flush to the fairing.

I really like the looks of Moparnut's solution!

[Moparnut72]

I would have no problem with that "cover" - did you make that yourself or is it an aftermarket item?

Out of curiosity, why did you part with the Mandello, was it primarily for that reason (wind management) or other considerations?

I made the cover myself. I was careful so that the screws went into the seams so that the holes would be minimally invasive and easily concealed. I sold it because I was having trouble keeping it upright in difficult conditions. One drop was on my ankle breaking it causing lost riding time last summer. The joys of getting old. Thus the lighter, lower V7.
kk
Edit: The windshield mod made a world of difference, really clean air at helmet level but minimal wind pressure on the torso. I really liked the bike and I think with a little more refinement, which I think was happening on later MYs would make for an exceptional motorcycle.

[MikeP996]

"One drop was on my ankle breaking it causing lost riding time last summer. "

OUCH - sorry to hear that. 

Hmmm...maybe my original thought that the Mandello is "too heavy" was correct! ;)

[PeteS]

"One drop was on my ankle breaking it causing lost riding time last summer. "

OUCH - sorry to hear that. 

Hmmm...maybe my original thought that the Mandello is "too heavy" was correct! ;)

The V100 is a lump but its lighter than your BMW. Moving it around in the garage is the only place you are aware of the weight.

Pete

[Moparnut72]

It isn't so much the weight but the height. I am 81 so I don't have the strength I used to have, and I had a physical I had to have for some volunteer work for the VA. You would think I was trying to get on with the CIA as intensive as it was, anyway I found out I am a couple of inches shorter than I was in my prime. Actually the Mandello is quite stable even at low speeds. I dropped it three times last year due to various circumstances such as sand under my foot once, riding into a pocket of unseen loose sand and running into an obstacle on the garage floor. If I was younger I could have saved it but not. I wouldn't let me talk you out of one, they are great bikes. I am sure you would be happy with one. I was it just out grew me. 
kk

[PeteS]

They should include an inflatable air bag and battery operated compressor with these. I dropped mine, in the garage fortunately. No way I could lift it (in my ninth decade as well). Luckily it was under a cross beam and I was able to get it up using a number of ratcheting tie downs 6” at a time. Time to replace my broken come along.
Heavy is relative, I replaced my Goldwing with this bike.

Pete

[MikeP996]

I've seen videos of 5 ft 105 lb females lifting a big Harley off the ground with little apparent difficulty.  I dropped my Kawasaki Z900RS (sold it when I bought my V7 Special) in a gravel parking lot when my foot slipped out with the bike at a full stop.  None of those 105 lb ladies were around so it took three of us to lift it back up!

FWIW, I thought about a Gold Wing for a bit but it's so dramatic a difference from anything I've ever ridden in my life - pretty much all sport bikes or "sporty-type" bikes.  And at 805 lbs it's insanely heavy for me.  OTOH, I don't recall ever seeing or hearing of anybody dropping one!  But we don't do long range cruising; we're mostly day-trippers so I've got a good reason for taking the easy way out!  :)

[PeteS]

The problem with the V100 is there is little to grab on to with all the plastic. Just the handlebars and those little handles in the back. Goldwings fall over and small women pick them up but they have roll bars that prevent them from falling flat, more like a 30 degree angle plus grab handles closer to center.

Pete

[Vagrant]

The issue is the angle it lays on it's side at. If 20-30 degrees like a Harley you might do it, When I knocked my v85 over in the garage the two wheels were both off the ground as it was completely flopped on it's side. No way in Hell. It took jacking it up from the side to 20 degrees then it still wasn't fun. FYI, no jacks are in the wilderness.

[Moparnut72]

The issue is the angle it lays on it's side at. If 20-30 degrees like a Harley you might do it, When I knocked my v85 over in the garage the two wheels were both off the ground as it was completely flopped on it's side. No way in Hell. It took jacking it up from the side to 20 degrees then it still wasn't fun. FYI, no jacks are in the wilderness.

There are jacks on the market that come apart and don't take up much space. I dropped my 850 a couple of times due to poor judgement and was able to pick it back up, barely. I can't think of the brand name, I will try and find it.
kk
Edit: Motowinch is the one I believe I was thinking of. There are a couple the use the same idea of multi part supports. This winter I think I will make one of my own, most likely with a smaller ratchet.

[PeteS]

That looks like it would work. If you make your own you want the large ratchet similar to what they use. I used ratcheting tie downs which have much less leverage due to the shorter handle plus will only roll up about 6” of strap.
I had to use multiple tie downs raising the bike about 6 inches then adding second tie down to raise it another 6” while releasing the first one.

Pete

[Moparnut72]

Good point. I was thinking about space in the saddlebag. I will have to rethink my project a bit.
kk