Bezzi / Barr Photoshop Phantasy Pthreadfest

[oldbike54]

Yeah, Allot of clanking ticking and rattling, thankful for ear plugs that filter most of that, but my S2R sounds better? too me at least that its 4 valve brothers.

:-)

 Sorry about all of that tinking and rattling , both the bike and a certain Okie have lots of wear and tear  :D

  Dusty

[Tobit]

I like it.  Very much.  I'd miss dual mufflers and Corbin could fix the seat.

Maybe incorporate the "wings" from the LM III & IV under the fairing and raise the screen a bit, but that's about it. 

Amazing what a paint scheme can do.

Tobit   ;-T

[rocker59]

If you were talented like Chuck, you fab up the parts to make an 8V Griso to look like that. Maybe Chuck needs to start a custom bike shop, hire a couple of apprentices to learn his talents.


Dean

No.  Not really.  The Griso's frame would be in the way.

[rocker59]

All bikes in the last ~30 years started on a computer screen

But none of them started on Oberdan Bezzi's computer screen! 

[Seagondollar]

Rocker - get off your high horse.  It's better to get ideas to discuss than wave our metaphorical internet hands around trying to discuss stuff.  And I don't consider this an abomination.

\off soapbox mode

It's good he's using the front of the V7 Sport/Le Mans tank in his design.  Yes, and I'd like to see the 8V engine used (for the higher HP)  Maybe (here's the waving of the metaphorical hands) they could start with Griso 8V and extend the ears below the tank into the fairing like this one.

[rocker59]

Rocker - get off your high horse. 

Apologies, but I don't think I will.

I have just grown weary of people posting these images as though they were factory concepts when all they actually are is a figment of a fan boy's imagination.

Most of his renderings are not really very good. He cuts and pastes parts of existing motorcycles from different brands together to form is 'art'.

The worst offenders are magazines and websites who put these images forward as factory prototypes and factory concepts.

I just get tired of it.

[fubar guzzi]

I would like to interject my opinion here,-------all these big words ---FORGETwhat it was?????

[oldbike54]

I would like to interject my opinion here,-------all these big words ---FORGETwhat it was?????

  :D :D :D :D :D

  Wait ,isn't your beemer really just an artist's rendering ? :D

  Dusty

[drlapo]

nicer than the BMW RnineT

[Tobit]

nicer than the BMW RnineT

Indeed.  Renderings and concepts rarely trigger any real emotion in me but I can just imagine how that bike would look under the lights in my garage, in all it's red and blackness as I slipped into my jacket, Arai and thumbed the door opener. 

Tobit

[LowRyter]

Apologies, but I don't think I will.

I have just grown weary of people posting these images as though they were factory concepts when all they actually are is a figment of a fan boy's imagination.

Most of his renderings are not really very good. He cuts and pastes parts of existing motorcycles from different brands together to form is 'art'.

The worst offenders are magazines and websites who put these images forward as factory prototypes and factory concepts.

I just get tired of it.

Don't hold back on us.  Tell us what you really think. 

 :pop

I hate it when you sugar coat it.

[rocker59]

Don't hold back on us.  Tell us what you really think. 

 :pop

I hate it when you sugar coat it.

You should've heard me in my operations team meeting this morning.    :wife:

[DCWCALI]

Very nice in deed!

[LowRyter]

You should've heard me in my operations team meeting this morning.    :wife:

probably like the EEO complaint meeting I had with the Deputy Director. 

[oldbike54]

Don't hold back on us.  Tell us what you really think. 

 :pop

I hate it when you sugar coat it.

 Mikey was attempting to be PC  :o ;D

  Dusty

[LowRyter]

Mikey was attempting to be PC  :o ;D

  Dusty

a true diplomat

[steven c]

Works for me. ;-T Or you could take a Girso, paint it like a LeMans, ad a fairing and clip ons and think that would look pretty cool to.

[Turin]

I like concepts and renderings and I can really appreciate a well done pencil sketch. These Bezzi things are cut and paste crappola. the worst was the Guzzi sportbike he pasted up with the CBR 900 frame and triumph Daytona 675 bodywork.  Sorry, can't get exited about crap, especially when you see some really cool projects right here on this sight.

[Rich A]

I like it for what it is: an image.

It could be the basis for a handsome machine.

Rich A

[Aaron D.]

Besides being just a cut and paste fantasy, I think it's ugly and uninspiring.

Only the color scheme says LeMans to me. And it looks bad on that.

[Arizona Wayne]

Hey John,
That, fantasy or not, looks like a modern version of the CX. It pushes my buttons!!!

Think they would make it with carbs?

Mike :-)

A small valve 949cc CX @ 4,500 rpm with stock pipes sound ricocheting off the canyon walls sounds AWESOME !!!    ;-T   Looks pretty serious too.  8)  

My `87 LM IV w/GiaCa Moto mufflers sounded BAD ASS too to the point even tho most the faster bikes I was around to & from Laguna were afraid to find out just how fast it was.  8)  Figured it was an unknown to them.  ;D

[Chuck in Indiana]

No, I like the two valve engines 'cause the big exhaust valves make beautiful sounds, much more mellow that the smaller ones found in the four valve heads.

Although I like the sound of the 4 valve engines, I prefer the sound of the 2 valve engines, too. Wait until you hear the Aero engine.. it's bad.  ;D

[leafman60]

Looks great to me.

Needs performance to match the looks.

[Chuck in Indiana]

I'd look good on something like that..  ;D

[Guzzistajohn]

You should've heard me in my operations team meeting this morning.    :wife:

Glad I could post something to help you release your frustrations, Mike. Let it all hang out dude. Then build a bridge and get over it! ;D  Have a nice day!

Hey, I asked what everyone thought<shrug>

[Dilliw]

Works for me. ;-T Or you could take a Girso, paint it like a LeMans, ad a fairing and clip ons and think that would look pretty cool to.

You really need to start with the Bellagio to get that frame and maybe that's the rub- you can't get the 8v engine in the Bellagio frame?

[boatdetective]

So if this was a "custom" bike that someone turned out, I'd think it's prtetty cool. However, as a production bike, I'd support Pete and Mike that this is nothing new. The Ipothesis is an interesting, more forward looking design evolution of the Griso (and it actually works).

The brand needs to move forward- not just ape old designs. The V7 range can comfortably stay retro. If it's going to be a sport(ish) bike, they need to lead design- not copy. The Griso is a perfect example of a look and concept that was unlike anything out there when it was rolled out- and that individuality is at the heart of its street cred.

[Dean Rose]

You really need to start with the Bellagio to get that frame and maybe that's the rub- you can't get the 8v engine in the Bellagio frame?

That's a shame, make a great retro style bike.

Dean

[kirby1923]

So if this was a "custom" bike that someone turned out, I'd think it's prtetty cool. However, as a production bike, I'd support Pete and Mike that this is nothing new. The Ipothesis is an interesting, more forward looking design evolution of the Griso (and it actually works).

The brand needs to move forward- not just ape old designs. The V7 range can comfortably stay retro. If it's going to be a sport(ish) bike, they need to lead design- not copy. The Griso is a perfect example of a look and concept that was unlike anything out there when it was rolled out- and that individuality is at the heart of its street cred.

I'm sorry, but move on to what? What's wrong with "old" designs, it works in airplanes, couple of wings a motor , a tail....

This is a figment of someone's imagination for sure but based on a proven configuration that has shown to be a success. (it's the look) Its a simple expression of a single track machine without allot of marketing gizmo's.
Lets face it double overhead cams and four valve heads are for bragging rights, not much use on the public roads.

Yeah Guzzi will never produce it, but every time I ride my CX I have to think that it would be nice to have something brand new that was pretty much the same with modern suspension and simple electronics. No substitute for CI and the big block has grunt in spades right where I can use it. I can do mods to fit my physical condition.

No matter how hard I ride my VFR on the street, which has near 100 Hp at the rear wheel, do I use even half that?

To me "moving on" smacks of reinventing the wheel and although it would not be a big seller if produced the thought makes me smile.:-)

For those that have to have state of the art sport bike that would put goose (no pun) bumps on the likes of  V Rossi, they are on the market right now a monthly payment away.

I need to go back to work as I am rambling again.

mike :-)

[rocker59]

I'm with you Mike.

I really like the retro customs based on the Bellagio chassis.  That chassis is a nice blend of old and new, Tonti and CARC.

I'm also a fan of short stroke Italian twins, so would love that bike with the modern 4v heads and either 940cc (850 crank/1200 top end) or 1100cc (850 crank/1400 top end).

Oh, to have money to burn on hotrod projects...   ~;