*California 1400 Merged Threadfest*

[Vasco DG]

No domes on the 'Nuovo Hi-Cam' pistons.





Lovely modern combustion chambrt too.



VDG

[CalVin2007]

  Ah, yes very nice. Top ring location lower than I expected since much current practice is to raise it ridiculously high for emissions...I like a low ring for long life. Thanks for the pics, Pete....very interesting.

   Terry

[Vasco DG]

I really like the Nuovo Hi-Cam. Apart from the fact it is very *Different* from virtually any other engine on the market it combines a lot of *New* thinking with a number of clever sollutions to the limitations of an *old fashioned* side draught head design. No, it's not 'Cutting Edge' automotive technology but it's a fine and happy thing that offers an alternative to the accepted practice of double overhead cams and four valves per cylinder cooled by a glycol filled water jacket. It also produces very acceptable power and torque figures given its limitations.

VDG

[Chicago Mark]

VDG,

     Are you able to determine if the frame of the new Cali 1400 is a variation of the Tonti (mildly or heavily modified), the Griso/Stelvio or something altogether new?

Thank You,

Mark

[tazio]

If you want to see where the extra 200cc's are coming from?




The spigots on the 1200 barrels tell the story! They're about 12mm thick. The 1400 motor is simply going to be an over bored version of the same piece of kit with twin plugged heads to combat combustion surging issues. Betcha.

VDG

I was under the understanding that a 4'' bore was a hell of a lot a area for a flame front to travel in an acceptable amount of time, making "twin plugging" approaching a necessity.
or was this what was meant by "combustion surging issues"?

P.S excuse my ignorance. Your posts are very intriguing ;-T
   

[Vasco DG]

Very wide combustion chambers with a central plug suffer because the flame front moves out from the point of ignition in a spiral form, or this is how it was explained to me by one of the chief engineers at Piaggio when he was in Sydney. Over a number of engine cycles, (Sorry, no idea how many?) this leads to cyclic pockets of end-gas and un combusted mixture in the combustion chamber and this is what leads to the true 'Surging' issues experienced by some large capacity, short stroke twins. This is different to the general rough running caused by poor mapping or mechanical issues like sloppy throttle cables that are commonly commented on with bikes that haven't been well set up.

The cure used by a variety of manufacturers is to add a second plug towards the side of the combustion chamber and this apparently ignites the un burnt charge or the bit that is likely to remain unburnt. This is the system used for instance on the 1200 Doso. The second plug only fires up to I think 3,500 or so RPM and then the system reverts to single plug firing.

As I said, this is how it was explained to me and I can see no reason why I should be bullshitted to.

VDG

[Vasco DG]

VDG,

     Are you able to determine if the frame of the new Cali 1400 is a variation of the Tonti (mildly or heavily modified), the Griso/Stelvio or something altogether new?

Thank You,

Mark

Nah! It may pay stylistic lip-service to the old Tonti frame but it'll be a completely new stand alone product I reckon.

VDG

[tazio]

Very wide combustion chambers with a central plug suffer because the flame front moves out from the point of ignition in a spiral form, or this is how it was explained to me by one of the chief engineers at Piaggio when he was in Sydney. Over a number of engine cycles, (Sorry, no idea how many?) this leads to cyclic pockets of end-gas and un combusted mixture in the combustion chamber and this is what leads to the true 'Surging' issues experienced by some large capacity, short stroke twins. This is different to the general rough running caused by poor mapping or mechanical issues like sloppy throttle cables that are commonly commented on with bikes that haven't been well set up.

The cure used by a variety of manufacturers is to add a second plug towards the side of the combustion chamber and this apparently ignites the un burnt charge or the bit that is likely to remain unburnt. This is the system used for instance on the 1200 Doso. The second plug only fires up to I think 3,500 or so RPM and then the system reverts to single plug firing.

As I said, this is how it was explained to me and I can see no reason why I should be bullshitted to.

VDG

 ;-T ;-T

[Avvocato]

Hopefully, this link will work.  Let the speculation continue....  :beat_horse

http://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-california-1400-video-esclusivo-moto-52186?fb_comment_id=fbc_10151123624976578_24569316_10151125527566578#f3f74192f959aae

[Kev m]

Ahem - see post #2163

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=26280.2160

In motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOv7Qzzp6Pc&feature=player_embedded#

 :BEER:

[rocker59]

merged.

[Avvocato]

Ahem - see post #2163

http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=26280.2160

 :BEER:

Foiled again!  That's it for me.  I'm keeping all Cali 1400 stories to myself! :wife:

[youcanrunnaked]

Google Translate doesn't seem to be working for me on the comments to the Motociclismo video.  If anybody here can translate the Italian to English, I'd be interested to know what our Italian friends think of the bike.

[1Sourdough]

My observation is that everyone thinks that their traffic is the worst.   Atlanta guys will swear that I85/75/285 makes the DC Beltway look like a cakewalk,  Houston guys compare their traffic to Los Angeles' disadvantage, Chicago guys think that Boston is a walk in the park ... and Londoners will say that the M25 is a nightmare on earth, not to be compared with anything else.

I just adjust my attitude and speed to whatever's going on, go with it, and (IF I don't like it) don't go that way again if I can avoid it.   "Avoiding It" generally means living somewhere else, though.

Lannis

I think your last phrase is the key.  I am totally bewildered when I have to visit a large city.  Not by the roads or the traffic, as those are manageable by simply using one's head.  What bewilders me is the fact so many people voluntarily choose to live in such close proximity to one another, which compounds stress and unhappiness while some parts of the country which are really nice are experiencing a net loss in population. 

[Lannis]

What bewilders me is the fact so many people voluntarily choose to live in such close proximity to one another, which compounds stress and unhappiness while some parts of the country which are really nice are experiencing a net loss in population. 

Always been a country boy myself; never have understood paying a fortune to be jammed in with millions of other people, no room, noise, dirty, hard to get around ...... But they seem to like it, and no one's making them live there, so it's perfectly OK by me!

Lannis

[Lannis]

the good thing about a city is that you can pic your friends as you like to,
and do not have to stick with the ( only ) ones that happen to live around you.

it is a matter of socialisation IMO, you can tell on this here board where the
eloquent, kind, friendly and open minded people come from.

 ;)  :)

 ;-T

Yes; of course, in a rural area you CAN'T pick your friends ... strange, that, but I guess it must be true.    And I've always found that the mean, unsocialized, inhospitable people live out in the country (as you'll find if you break down on your bike, for example, and stop by a house for help), and that New Yorkers and Parisians are mostly kind, open, and friendly to strangers.    Just talk to a few on the street and take some notes ... !

Yep, you can sure characterize them like that, sure can.  Hyuk, hyuk, Ah gots to git ta Siler City sumtahm, see sum sahts an' all them wimmin ....

Lannis

[davevv]

Humility must be in short supply in Hamburg.

Mac Davis wrote your theme song 32 years ago.  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYKWch_MNY0&feature=related

[Kentktk]

the good thing about a city is that you can pic your friends as you like to,
and do not have to stick with the ( only ) ones that happen to live around you.

it is a matter of socialisation IMO, you can tell on this here board where the
eloquent, kind, friendly and open minded people come from.

In complete agreement with you on this!

[Kentktk]

[quote author=Muschi link=topic=26280.msg854524#msg854524 date=1344545776

Problem is, that most Joes are trapped within their own Lifes and perception that much,
that they do not get a chance to even get an idea about how great another person from
a different Lifestyle could be.

[/quote]

Well said. Also, a persons perception of life is their reality, be it right or wrong.

I too grew up in a harbor town ( Seattle ) which is a far more beautiful and diverse city than Hamburg could ever dream of being ;D

[StaysCrunchy]

if you compare civilised people like me with Joe from Idaho, the guy that can sit upright without
any backbone because his skin is so thick, you will get a good idea about what character, liberal,
socialisation, and being open minded are all about, and how great it could feel.

I'm not even sure what that means...

[Lannis]

Quote from Muschi -

the good thing about a city is that you can pic your friends as you like to,
and do not have to stick with the ( only ) ones that happen to live around you.

it is a matter of socialisation IMO, you can tell on this here board where the
eloquent, kind, friendly and open minded people come from.


In complete agreement with you on this!

Well THAT certainly explains a few things ....

[Kentktk]

Well THAT certainly explains a few things ....

Step up to the plate, and explain what this explains.

[Lannis]

Step up to the plate, and explain what this explains.

"Whatever you do in life will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it anyway ....."

[Dogwalker]

Here we go again.



http://www.motociclismo.it/popupgallery/moto-scooter/moto-guzzi-california-1400-in-versione-definitiva?iframe=true&width=980&height=605
http://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-california-1400-in-versione-definitiva-moto-52377

(the guy is about 2 m high)

[IceBlue]

....well done is done ;D
Suppose to be the final version  ::)  There are 7 pic's in the slide show. Google translate of an Italian site below the pic. I like this huge iron horse ;-T  ...or is it a Camel  ;D


http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motociclismo.it%2Fmoto-guzzi-california-1400-in-versione-definitiva-moto-52377

[Lannis]

The Italian translates to "Overweight Oversize Tank".    I'm sure it will sell like hot-cakes.

Lannis

[Guzzi-Guy]

It does appear to be massive doesn't it!

[JJ]

I'll reserve my judgement until I get to see one in person. ;) :) ;D :D ;) :) 

Photos can be deceiving as we all know! :o ;D :D ;) ???

If you are looking for a big "CRUISER" (Harley Big Twin, Triumph Rocket III, Japanese clone V-twin cruiser, etc.), this may just be the ticket.... 8) ;-T ;-T

However......it's NOT a sport-touring bike! :o :o :o ::) ::) ;D ;D :D :D ;) :)

[moltoguzzi]

....well done is done ;D
Suppose to be the final version  ::)  There are 7 pic's in the slide show. Google translate of an Italian site below the pic. I like this huge iron horse ;-T  ...or is it a Camel  ;D


http://translate.google.dk/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motociclismo.it%2Fmoto-guzzi-california-1400-in-versione-definitiva-moto-52377

Sure, they park the 1400 next to that BMW monstrosity and its bound to look good. The seat look good like it could use more padding, I hope its comfortable cause not aftermaket seat will be available and spending 600 to 800 for a custom get irritating.

[Kev m]

Holy crap, 6' 6"?