Author Topic: California 1400 Merged Threadfest (Read 694246 times)

Kev m · « **Reply #2310 on:** October 21, 2012, 08:36:08 AM »

Is it actually behind schedule? ???

bad Chad · « **Reply #2311 on:** October 21, 2012, 10:49:43 AM »

Piaggio is planning a BIG international reveal at there Pasadena design center in December.

EVboyeee · « **Reply #2312 on:** October 21, 2012, 10:58:49 AM »

IMHO, they went back to the drawing board....sorta like what Hollywood does with a test audience for a new movie. I do not believe Piaggio or MG's honchos like the initial reactions to the 1400 Cali.

Guzzi-Guy · « **Reply #2313 on:** October 21, 2012, 11:32:14 AM »

Quote from: EVboyeee on October 21, 2012, 10:58:49 AM

IMHO, they went back to the drawing board....sorta like what Hollywood does with a test audience for a new movie. I do not believe Piaggio or MG's honchos like the initial reactions to the 1400 Cali.

I would like to know how you came to that conclusion?

From all the pics that have been published in the Cali 1400 thread, the prototypes are out there and running!

guzzisteve · « **Reply #2314 on:** October 21, 2012, 11:38:14 AM »

I hear it is coming, in a big way!! Some folks went to new Cali 14 school, so hold on it'll be here soon enough. You didn't here it from me. May be my next new one, last one was 94, it's about time. Nothing like a new bike, could even be my next sidecar rig tug.

bad Chad · « **Reply #2315 on:** October 21, 2012, 12:05:30 PM »

Yea, what Steve said!

Expect the splash Piaggio makes with the 1400 to be the largest you have ever seen for a Guzzi. 8)

youcanrunnaked · « **Reply #2316 on:** October 21, 2012, 01:05:56 PM »

Quote from: EVboyeee on October 21, 2012, 10:58:49 AM

IMHO, they went back to the drawing board...

Well, considering the overwhelmingly positive reaction to the Cali 1400, the fact that the test mules running around Lake Como for the past month or two appear to be production-ready, and the anticipated unveilings of the production bike at EIMCA 2012 in Milan in November and in Pasedena in December, this is either wishful thinking on your part, uninformed speculation, or a joke.

Also, how can you have an opinion about whether something has occurred? Either Piaggio has abandoned the design that they have been testing for the past two months, or they haven't. Do you have any evidence that they have gone "back to the drawing board?"

pauldaytona · « **Reply #2317 on:** October 21, 2012, 04:42:40 PM »

They will intruduce it at the Eicma show in milan in November. It was ready a year ago. I made a picture of the screen from a designer laptop at the GMG, that one looks exactly the same as the latest pictures. Well engine is now black, rest is the same.

rocker59 · « **Reply #2318 on:** October 21, 2012, 10:48:17 PM »

Quote from: T in NC on October 21, 2012, 08:29:37 AM

So what is the hold up on the new California?

Haven't heard anything new for awhile.

We have a thread for that...

Merged.

The finished bikes will be shown in November at EICMA and availablity should be announced about the same time...

Baldini · « **Reply #2319 on:** October 22, 2012, 02:59:01 AM »

New "Green" version just announced:

pauldaytona · « **Reply #2320 on:** October 31, 2012, 04:40:23 PM »

Today on motociclismo:

But it was to play with the colors, the shape. Today we are able to give very concrete substance. Indeed, we are in possession of information that reveal a lot about how it is made the new California, especially the Touring version, numbers accurate enough that finally shed light on a motorcycle enthusiasts (and dealers ...) were really waiting for years. And this without detracting from the Stelvio or Norge, not to mention the V7.

ENGINE AND PERFORMANCE
The engine, of course V2 transverse of 90 °, should have displacement of 1,380 cc, obtained by increasing to 104 mm the cylinder bore of the valve 1200 8. Stroke unchanged at 81.2 mm. The distribution would be pushrod and rocker, while the power exploit two spark plugs per cylinder. The cooling air and oil, you can see very well from the photos, but the radiator lubricant would be equipped with a fan and the circuit would adopt an independent pump in support of the refrigerant.

The compression would stand on the value of 10.5:1 and the new V2 would be able to develop 96 hp at 6500 rpm and 120 Nm (12.3 kgm) at 2750 rpm. Approval euro-3.

ELECTRONIC
The power is unavoidably electronic injection, with throttle bodies that should be from 52 mm and a control unit which would allow the use of 3 maps interchangeable, as well as the implementation of the traction control and cruise control. All of course controlled by the accelerator ride by wire. Among the electronic equipment there is also the alarm.

TRANSMISSION
The final course is shaft drive, with single plate clutch, while the 6-speed would change, then one more today, but the sixth would be more of an overdrive.

CHASSIS
The frame would be a classic double-cradle with engine fixed with silent block and the suspensions are traditional (they say the photo), the stems should measure 46 mm. The rear shock absorbers, lost for the sophisticated pneumatic system seen on the prototypes, are very normal unit only adjustable preload. Stand out, always from the photos, the radial front brake calipers 4-piston, but the gem would be the ABS as standard. The wheels were 18 "at the front and 16" at the rear, with this tire 200/60.

DIMENSIONS AND WEIGHT
That California is a 1400 ... Motona there is no doubt, and measurements confirm this. Starting with the frame geometry, the distance would reach the large share of 1,685 mm, with 155 mm of trail and tube inclination of 32 °. Physical measurements would not be outdone: length 2445 mm, width (with bags) 1,030 mm. The seat would be instead to human height: 740 mm, 720 with optional low seat. Sore point for the weight: California 1400 would stop the scales at 337 kg in running order (with all equipment, 322 kg dry weight). The tank contains 20.5 liters.

EQUIPMENT AND VERSIONS
The data that we have given refer to the Touring version, as mentioned, the model for travel and better equipped, and the most refined aesthetic level. The color is black with white stripes on the tank, but the bike is also characterized by the two-tone seat with chrome handle, the 35 liter panniers with protective chrome bars para engine, additional lights, the windscreen and the wide handlebar .

PRICE AND AVAILABILITY
The Moto Guzzi California 1400 will be in dealerships in mid-November, but already in ten days some firms larger or more will receive the first historical examples. So the bike will be visible and touchable ... even before the show in Milan, as well as ordered by November 2. But probably not testable. For the Italian market will do no more than 200 a year, the rest of the production will go abroad with the hope of digging out the United States.

Finally, the price: should reach € 19,300 ex-dealer. Always the Touring version, it is assumed that the "base" is more affordable.

rocker59 · « **Reply #2321 on:** October 31, 2012, 04:49:08 PM »

Quote from: paul minnaert on October 31, 2012, 04:40:23 PM

Today on motociclismo:

DIMENSIONS AND WEIGHT
That California is a 1400 ... Motona there is no doubt, and measurements confirm this. Starting with the frame geometry, the distance would reach the large share of 1,685 mm, with 155 mm of trail and tube inclination of 32 °. Physical measurements would not be outdone: length 2445 mm, width (with bags) 1,030 mm. The seat would be instead to human height: 740 mm, 720 with optional low seat. Sore point for the weight: California 1400 would stop the scales at 337 kg in running order (with all equipment, 322 kg dry weight). The tank contains 20.5 liters.

My Goodness! 1685mm wheelbase = 66.34-inches! :o

Overall length of 2445mm = 8-feet! (96-inches)

Seat height will be 29.13-inches standard, and 28.35 for the low.

337kg = about 741 lbs.

:pop

rocker59 · « **Reply #2322 on:** October 31, 2012, 04:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Kev m on July 24, 2012, 08:57:29 AM

Our current guesses:

Rocker - 63/64 inch wheelbase, 26 inch seat height, 600-lbs wet.
Me (from previous thread) - 63" WB, 29" seat height, 650 lbs wet. (I might revise my seat height guess down to 27-28")

Comparatives:

Cal-Vin - 61.4" WB, 30.7" seat height, 616 lbs wet

FLD (Switchback) - 62.8" WB, 27.4" seat height, 718 lbs wet

Victory Judge - 64.8" WB, 25.9" seat height, ~700 lbs wet estimate

FLHR (Road King) - 63.5" WB, 28" seat height, 812 lbs wet

Victory CrossRoads - 65.7 WB, 26.25" seat height, ~800 lbs wet estimate

So maybe we're coloring our estimates with our wishes, but IF it comes out anything like Rocker or I are guesses it will be a little larger/longer/heavier than the current Tonti Calis, BUT it shouldn't be anywhere near the RK or Crossroads - perhaps putting it closer to the Dyna touring bike (FLD) or Judge.

I think we all hope it doesn't lose much or any cornering clearance.

Honestly, if it fits that bill, I think it will remain a unique and desirable alternative to the FULL BOAT tourers.

I guess it's going to be longer and heavier than either of us imagined...

rboe · « **Reply #2323 on:** October 31, 2012, 05:32:13 PM »

Yup, running the numbers became a real eye openner.

Kev m · « **Reply #2324 on:** October 31, 2012, 05:36:16 PM »

Wow, that is big...to me the only really troubling number is the wheelbase...

Mark West · « **Reply #2325 on:** October 31, 2012, 05:45:47 PM »

If those specs are correct, it looks like they're going after the Giant cruiser market. Maybe they'll do a wild full faired version and call it the California Vision. It's a handsome motorbike but if I did want something in that category, I'm not sure what would make me choose it over one of the others.

The air/oil cooling system sounds complex enough (pumps and fans) where they should have just gone water cooled. Then maybe they could have gotten some more power out of it and been more competitive with other giant cruisers.

I wish em the best of luck but I don't see it as anything I'll be lining up to buy.

Gary · « **Reply #2326 on:** October 31, 2012, 05:57:29 PM »

Wow, this sounds like the one for me for 2 up long distance touring. Guess I better think about selling the EV.

rocker59 · « **Reply #2327 on:** October 31, 2012, 06:01:01 PM »

Quote from: Mark West on October 31, 2012, 05:45:47 PM

If those specs are correct, it looks like they're going after the Giant cruiser market.

Yeah, and 1400ccs ain't gonna provide much cred in that market...

youcanrunnaked · « **Reply #2328 on:** October 31, 2012, 06:05:15 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on October 31, 2012, 06:01:01 PM

Yeah, and 1400ccs ain't gonna provide much cred in that market...

Well, hp and torque figures are competitive, and it still weighs a bit less than the competition. I just wish it weighed a lot less....

rocker59 · « **Reply #2329 on:** October 31, 2012, 06:41:57 PM »

Quote from: youcanrunnaked on October 31, 2012, 06:05:15 PM

Well, hp and torque figures are competitive, and it still weighs a bit less than the competition. I just wish it weighed a lot less....

I've yet to have any cruiser pirate ask me about HP in a Guzzi (or any other bike). They always ask about CCs.

They all think Guzzis are little bitty bikes with only 1100 - 1200 CCs.

:D

LowRyter · « **Reply #2330 on:** October 31, 2012, 07:57:20 PM »

seems big & heavy.....not a sporty Cali but a cruiser........

moltoguzzi · « **Reply #2331 on:** October 31, 2012, 08:34:19 PM »

Motociclismo printed the specs on the 1400, I remember337kg=742lbs wet and just shy of 30" on the seat height, 96hp and 120Newton Meters of torque, its a powerful porker for sure.

guzzisteve · « **Reply #2332 on:** October 31, 2012, 09:07:56 PM »

I had a chance today to look at the frame and motor manual, 3" thick, book!! Holy Tomolli, rubber mounted motor & trans, roller rockers, cams have a spring to keep no end float. Kind of a cool bike, you can crab the frame. Peak torque at like 2750 rpm and hp is at 6500, looks like a stump puller and a 200 rear tire. AND it's coming.

NevadaGuzzi · « **Reply #2333 on:** October 31, 2012, 09:16:23 PM »

19300 euros = 25007.0100 US dollars

rocker59 · « **Reply #2334 on:** October 31, 2012, 09:29:22 PM »

Quote from: NevadaGuzzi on October 31, 2012, 09:16:23 PM

19300 euros = 25007.0100 US dollars

USA pricing gets discussed ad nauseum. There is not a direct conversion because we don't know what the USA importer will do on pricing.

European pricing always includes a 17% VAT, so that brings it immediately down to 20750.

If you look at Euro and USA pricing, though, you'll see that they're usually very close.

If 19300 Euro is the real European price, I wouldn't be surprised to see the bike priced in the USA at 18900, or so.

John Ulrich · « **Reply #2335 on:** October 31, 2012, 09:30:05 PM »

That wheelbase puts it .5" shy of a Goldwing. I guess that means Guzzi has created a "Vino-wing"

Vasco DG · « **Reply #2336 on:** October 31, 2012, 10:13:50 PM »

Quote from: guzzisteve on October 31, 2012, 09:07:56 PM

I had a chance today to look at the frame and motor manual, 3" thick, book!! Holy Tomolli, rubber mounted motor & trans, roller rockers, cams have a spring to keep no end float. Kind of a cool bike, you can crab the frame. Peak torque at like 2750 rpm and hp is at 6500, looks like a stump puller and a 200 rear tire. AND it's coming.

So, sounds like it was just as I suspected. Looks like the roller followers that have been listed in the parts pages for all the 4VPC engines for a year are going to be adopted across the range after the Cali is launched.

Like Nelson I'm no Cruiser fan but I'm certainly looking forward to getting my hands on one!!!

Pete

bad Chad · « **Reply #2337 on:** October 31, 2012, 10:28:12 PM »

If you want to play in the deep end of the pool you have to come ready. Bitch if you will, but it looks like this bike is posed to take on the big players, something MG has not bee able to do for a long time. Let it play out, and then in June we might very well know how it worked, but there is no point in spending your load now.

Guzzirider · « **Reply #2338 on:** November 01, 2012, 02:20:19 AM »

I will hopefully get to sit on one next weekend and will take a few pics.

Damnyankee · « **Reply #2339 on:** November 01, 2012, 06:45:51 AM »

Quote from: Kev m on October 31, 2012, 05:36:16 PM

Wow, that is big...to me the only really troubling number is the wheelbase...

Told ya! :D

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