*California 1400 Merged Threadfest*

[rtbickel]

For the full boat, that works out to $20,199 USD at today's exchange rate.  A bit steep, but not so much as to scare me off. 

[rocker59]

Straight conversions are no good.

Market pricing varies.

USA has no VAT.

[youcanrunnaked]

Rocker, the above prices are "export" from Teo Lamers in Holland, without VAT. 

[pauldaytona]

Also, the "security system" is standard only on the top-of-the-line model, so it must be something more than a coded key.

It's with GPS tracking

[rocker59]

Rocker, the above prices are "export" from Teo Lamers in Holland, without VAT. 

I'm sure PGA will release USA prices to the dealers pretty soon.

[rtbickel]

More important than price is the US availability date!

[Arizona Wayne]

Find more pics, specs @ www.motorcycledaily .com.   ;)

[racergary]

I read a fuel capacity of 5.3,that's on the small side to me

Like the white best but I am wondering if I am dreaming that on some site a saw a green one

[Dogwalker]

Brief test ride (in Italian) with good pictures..
http://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-california-1400-gran-bella-moto-moto-53345

[mtiberio]

Dang, that white one is darn good looking.

+1

I loves me some white bike...

[youcanrunnaked]

Motociclismo might be a bit biased, but they certainly don't hate it.

For those of you who may be worried that because of its increased size and mass, the nuovo California won't handle like a "California," I offer this photographic evidence to the contrary:

[jas67]

I read a fuel capacity of 5.3,that's on the small side to me

Seriously?    That is less than the V7!  That won't help them sell the touring model.   Hopefully that data is incorrect.

[youcanrunnaked]

Seriously?    That is less than the V7!  That won't help them sell the touring model.   Hopefully that data is incorrect.

IIRC, 5.5 US gals was quoted, with 1.5 of that as reserve.  However, Piaggio is also quoting fuel economy improvements with the 1400 mill over the 1200 of 15 - 20%.  That could mean well over 40 mpg, or a range well in excess of 200 miles.

[Kev m]

Seriously?    That is less than the V7!  That won't help them sell the touring model.   Hopefully that data is incorrect.

Till the last few years MOST bikes had a fuel capacity of 5 gallons or less. Even the touring platforms only had about 5 gallons.

Someone correct me, but there were only a handful of models, like the BMW GS PD versions, that had very large capacities.

There are certainly things to be said for 6 or 7 or more for limited applications, but as long as you keep the fuel efficiency somewhere reasonable (north of 40 mpg) I don't see it as a huge issue.

Now if that new motor starts giving 30-something mpg then it is a little disappointing - i.e. 30 mpg with a 5 gallon tank PROBABLY only means 4 gallons or 120 miles before the fuel light comes on. At least 40 mpg would give 160 or more. I could easily live with that.


EDIT - if YCRN is right that it's 5.5, and there is more reserve (and you're willing to ride out another gallon after the light comes on) then yeah 40 mpg = 200 mile range, that's not bad at all.

[BravoBravo]

Till the last few years MOST bikes had a fuel capacity of 5 gallons or less. Even the touring platforms only had about 5 gallons.

Someone correct me, but there were only a handful of models, like the BMW GS PD versions, that had very large capacities.

There are certainly things to be said for 6 or 7 or more for limited applications, but as long as you keep the fuel efficiency somewhere reasonable (north of 40 mpg) I don't see it as a huge issue.

Now if that new motor starts giving 30-something mpg then it is a little disappointing - i.e. 30 mpg with a 5 gallon tank PROBABLY only means 4 gallons or 120 miles before the fuel light comes on. At least 40 mpg would give 160 or more. I could easily live with that.


EDIT - if YCRN is right that it's 5.5, and there is more reserve (and you're willing to ride out another gallon after the light comes on) then yeah 40 mpg = 200 mile range, that's not bad at all.

Kev, I think you are generally correct in your statement. There have been a few exceptions, like the first generation Kawi Concours which started production in 1986 with a huge tank, as well as the Honda ST 1100, also supertanker capacity, but on average, around 5 gallons has been the industry standard for a long time.

Bruce

[Gary]

My 04 EVT only gets around 40mph and it has a 5 gallon tank. I would imagine the newer engine would get as good or likely better mph. If so, the 5.5 gallon tank is of no consequence to me.

After reading the full description on MCDaily, I am even more enamored. Anyone want to buy my 04 EVT??

[Kev m]

My 04 EVT only gets around 40mph and it has a 5 gallon tank. I would imagine the newer engine would get as good or likely better mph. If so, the 5.5 gallon tank is of no consequence to me.

My Jackal got a pretty consistent 40 mpg too, with occassional spikes up to as high as 50 mpg.

Same with my Breva.

Though owners of both bikes that live elsewhere often reported higher mileage. Which worries me a bit, because my usage, ambient conditions etc seem to make for lower mpg. I generally count on getting the lower end of rated or reported mpgs on all of my vehicles for this reason.

Now that said - I can understand the Jackal making about 40 mpg - it had a certain amount of mass and didn't make too much power. I can even understand the Breva matching it most of the time - yes it made more power, but it weighed a little less.

BUT THIS NEW BIKE WEIGHS A GOOD 200 lbs MORE THAN THE BREVA, and reportedly MAKES MORE POWER.

That generally isn't a good combination to make for better fuel efficiency.

From that alone I kinda expect we're going to hear about it making more like 35-45 mpg, rather than 40-50 mpg like the previous Cali.

Just another SWAG.

[Sheepdog]

I prefer six gallon tanks, but the industry seems to have settled on +or- five gallons as the norm.  My Vintage takes me 160 miles on a tank, with fuel to spare.  That works for me...even out West.

[youcanrunnaked]

My Jackal got a pretty consistent 40 mpg too, with occassional spikes up to as high as 50 mpg.

Same with my Breva....



BUT THIS NEW BIKE WEIGHS A GOOD 200 lbs MORE THAN THE BREVA, and reportedly MAKES MORE POWER.

That generally isn't a good combination to make for better fuel efficiency.

From that alone I kinda expect we're going to hear about it making more like 35-45 mpg, rather than 40-50 mpg like the previous Cali.

Your hypothesis is contradicted by Piaggio's press releases.  They are claiming a 15-20% improvement in fuel economy.  That would mean as much as 48 mpg for the nuovo California.  48 mpg x 5.5 gal. = 264 mile range

[Kev m]

Your hypothesis is contradicted by Piaggio's press releases.  They are claiming a 15-20% improvement in fuel economy.  That would mean as much as 48 mpg for the nuovo California.  48 mpg x 5.5 gal. = 264 mile range

But, their press release also said the Stones are here and available, but I don't have one yet lol.  :BEER:

I take press releases with a huge grain of salt.

It would be quite an accomplishment to increase the weight by about what about 25% but also increase fuel efficiency by 20%. If they did, that's awesome, and I hope it is true.

Seriously though, I'm a show me type o' guy (guess I live in the wrong state) and I'll believe it when I see it.

[youcanrunnaked]

Well, I agree with your bigger point, which is: with a 5.5 gal tank, 40 mpg would mean an acceptable cruising range; above 40 mpg would be very good-to-excellent cruising range; and below 40 mpg would be fair-to-poor cruising range (for a touring bike).

Nevertheless, if Piaggio Group is quoting a 15-20% improvement in fuel economy, even if they are being "intentionally optimistic,"  ;) it would be scandalous if the nuovo California returned less than 40 mpg.

Bottom line:  I think cruising range is going to be a non-issue.

EDIT:  Published fuel tank capacity is 21 liters (5.55 US gallons).

[Sheepdog]

A press release also said that my Vintage weighed 580 lbs...

[Mad Mac]

Agreed.  The range is not an issue for me.  I only have a 120 mile bladder.

One thing for certain.  All this hype has increased the luster of my '01 EV.

[Kev m]

Well, I agree with your bigger point, which is: with a 5.5 gal tank, 40 mpg would mean an acceptable cruising range; above 40 mpg would be very good-to-excellent cruising range; and below 40 mpg would be fair-to-poor cruising range (for a touring bike).

Nevertheless, if Piaggio Group is quoting a 15-20% improvement in fuel economy, even if they are being "intentionally optimistic,"  ;) it would be scandalous if the nuovo California returned less than 40 mpg.

Bottom line:  I think cruising range is going to be a non-issue.

Again, I hope you're right, but I'll remain cautiously/skeptically optimistic.

I wonder if they made claims about the Breva 1100 or the Griso 8V fuel mileages?

And if they tested the new Cal 1400 on E-10 when determining those ranges?

[Moto]

Brief test ride (in Italian) with good pictures..
http://www.motociclismo.it/moto-guzzi-california-1400-gran-bella-moto-moto-53345

Excellent photos! Including ones of many accessories. Photo #35 shows heated hand grips, for example.

This does look like a prairie buster. I'm happy to see that the cruise control will be standard on the Custom as well as the Tourer.

Moto

[Mark West]

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[jdgretz]

Well, let's see - the Norge is 246 k dry (542lbs) with a 23liter (6 US Gallon) which includes a 4 liter (1 US Gallon) reserve.  I generally get between 210 and 220 miles per tank before the low fuel light comes on.  Looking at Fuelly.com, I am averaging right at 40MPG.  There's only one other Norge listed on the site, and that one is showing 36.4 MPG average.  Heck, Harleys only have a 6 Gallon tank and that seems to work out pretty well.  The Goldwing is quoted at 6.6 Gallons and a 35 MPG estimated mileage figure.  I think Guzzi is well within the ball park on this.

I'd bet it will get close to 200 miles on a tank without much drama.

jdg

[bpreynolds]

Driven at a steady 50mph I'm sure it might ;) get the kind of numbers projected.  I've driven quite a lot of modern bikes with greatly less weight than this gorgeous machine, not a single one of them returned much better than 45mpg  on most days.  Given, mpg numbers are greatly in the wrist but of the 3 Calis I have owned, none of them charted close to 45mpg except maybe 3 or 4 times in about 20k miles.  Technology is a surprising thing but looking at this bike's weight and performance increases I just can't imagine how in the world this bike could eclipse the previos Cali for efficiency.  Thankfully, however, I only drive the Vespa for pure economy and as long as this new beauty returns at least 35 or so, I don't think I would care one way or another and I'd say sign me up to ride the white horse.

[steven c]

 So does this mean there is going to be a glut of EV's on the market? :BEER:

[bpreynolds]

My Italian is limited to varieties of pasta; anyone got that first ride link in a decent translation?