Author Topic: 936-8V / 936 Bellagio with V7 Racer look / What is Guzzi waiting for ?? (Read 34093 times)

guzzisteve · « **on:** May 03, 2010, 11:11:17 AM »

Who will be the maker of a short stroker, anyone know of one. Quicker revving. 95x66.

Penderic · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2013, 10:09:16 AM »

Zoom Zoom · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2013, 12:58:17 PM »

WOW :o That looks great!

Zoom Zoom,
John Henry

drums4money · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2013, 01:19:29 PM »

I think that is HOT!

Tazturtle · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2013, 01:54:13 PM »

That is great!

I was looking at a Bellagio a couple of weeks ago and thinking they would be a perfect base for a cafe bike.

Kurt

Vasco DG · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2013, 02:45:19 PM »

Would be a looker if it didn't have the horrid tank. I'd be doubtful about the longevity of the alternator though with the Griso pipe in such close proximity.

Pete

Mad Mac · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2013, 05:49:30 PM »

Yes it looks great, but I'm confused.
Wouldn't an original Bellagio be a valuable collectible?
Wouldn't it make more sense to take a tired, plain-jane V7
and massage it into a cafe racer?
Help me out here.

Perazzimx14 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2013, 06:14:10 PM »

I didn't like the look of the seat cowl on my V7R and I don't like it here either.

Murray · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2013, 06:20:48 PM »

Quote from: Mad Mac on March 03, 2013, 05:49:30 PM

Yes it looks great, but I'm confused.
Wouldn't an original Bellagio be a valuable collectible?
Wouldn't it make more sense to take a tired, plain-jane V7
and massage it into a cafe racer?
Help me out here.

A parts bin cruiser as a valuable collectable? Because California stones have skyrocketed in value in the last 15 or so years. It is exactly what I would start with.

clubman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2013, 06:29:51 PM »

Wow! Getting close to the bike I'm waiting for Mandelo to build, basically a V7C with a 4 valve 1200 motor, CARC chassis and spoke wheels. Gotta have dual exhausts though, Termignoni CF would be nice and let's paint the tinware please.

ohiorider · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2013, 06:40:35 PM »

With an 8v engine in it, she'd be even more right! Maybe even a shorter stroke 8v, so the displacement would be the same as 2v Bellagio. Bet that'd wind up nicely.

bad Chad · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2013, 07:56:18 PM »

Something about it looks off to me. I suspect the kangaroo humper is right, in that the tank is all wrong. I may be off in the corner, but I think I'd rather run a stock Bellagio.

rocker59 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:01:57 PM »

Badass! And the Griso exhaust looks at home, too!

Vasco DG · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:12:19 PM »

Chad roots pigs. Less tail to get in the way ;D

Pete

Crusty · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:29:18 PM »

I like it! ;-T

Stormtruck2 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:37:56 PM »

Chad, lets be fair, he doesn't hump just any roo, only midget roos will do. :D

BTW, I like that cafe Bellagio also. ;-T

Moz · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »

;D ;D ;D

shortest stroke guzzi around - loves to rev, yet an amazingly sweet motor that just 'works' - the rest is cosmetic and for individual tastes...

This one? I like it even tho not a fan of the overblinged V7 racer looks.. the OEM whale shlong tank has grown on me tho I'd consider putting a V7/LM1 style tank on mine.. these bikes are eminently customisable - not sure the cross over Griso style pipes are necessary here and may even hurt re VDG's point, but yeah, getting rid of the cruiser style drop back bars and twin parallel silencers ought be mandatory IMO 8)

these photos were taken at the same spot - just south of Sydney - first is standard bellagio (not mine), second is mine..
before:

after:

mine with some further changes..

they'll even tour ;D

Quote from: Mad Mac on March 03, 2013, 05:49:30 PM

Yes it looks great, but I'm confused.
Wouldn't an original Bellagio be a valuable collectible?
Wouldn't it make more sense to take a tired, plain-jane V7
and massage it into a cafe racer?
Help me out here.

you mean a new V7? no - the bellagio is a big block and a sweet engine.

Mad Mac · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2013, 09:17:09 PM »

You are correct. Allow me to restate. Why take a limited edition factory cafe racer and further modify it beyond recognition? Why not take any old common worn out California and customize it instead? Wait! I have an '01 EV. Hmmm.

Moz · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2013, 10:25:08 PM »

as you know there are plenty of tonti cafes out there..

I don't think the Bellagio is seen as a collectible - at least not here in Oz. I do understand it being seen as a good platform for cafeinatting tho - a tonti-ish frame with single sided CARC drive & mono rear suspension, the familiar push-rod big block engine, albeit twin plugged and super short stroke, 45mm marzocchi front end - all the basics with the rest up for personal customisation... what's not to love ;D
FYI there's a good bellagio wiki here

Still can't understand why they were never sold in the USA ???

Vasco DG · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2013, 11:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Moz on March 03, 2013, 10:25:08 PM

Still can't understand why they were never sold in the USA ???

This.

They are stupid fun. Really.

Pete

Moz · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2013, 11:51:14 PM »

Carl is dead-on about it being unique - here is the bellagio frame - & you can see why I said "tonti-ish"

tonUPRacer · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2013, 09:57:02 AM »

First glance I like it...but the more I look at it, the more I like my '13 Racer. My main critique of this bike is the single sided swingarm. As some had mentioned about the "old-look" of the dual exhaust being more appealing, I also think that the "old-look" of a 2 shock swingarm is what MG achieved with the entire current V7 line. Much like HD did with practically their entire lineup by building old looking bikes. My brother's first comment about my bike was "looks like something from the 70s". Exactly MG's design goal. This bellagio misses that point.

rocker59 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:05:00 AM »

I like short stroke twins. Ducati's 748 and 848 are great fun! Buell's SB9R 984cc engine was a hoot, and similar in concept to the Bellagio's engine. Shortest crank with the biggest pistons in the parts bin.

A factory-made cafe Bellagio like the one that inspired this thread would sell like hotcakes. It would probably take away a few V7 sales, but would also probably sell to some people who wouldn't ever buy a small block.

Sure, the CARC is modern element on a retro bike, but it works. Modern suspension is a good thing. The rear suspension of the V7 series is a limiting factor in performance and comfort, so I could feel OK about making the trade.

There have been some great Bellagio-based custom cafes over the past few years. I hope the factory has been watching.

190 Octane · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2013, 10:46:59 AM »

Seeing that really makes me wish they would have imported the CARCifornia to the US.

guzzisteve · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2013, 11:11:17 AM »

I think it looks a bit off, SB tank don't fit down over the frame but on top of it, same w/rear.

azguzzirep · « **Reply #25 on:** May 06, 2013, 12:53:11 PM »

A guy here in Germany is building 936cc V7 Cafe Racers, hence the 'CR'. Seems that Bellagio jugs will bolt on to the small block. I'm still translating it from german. I'll keep trying.

I know they cost 17,500 Euro and the guy that makes them is Michael Nitzche. Sorry, but I cannot find a website addy for him/it.

Tom

guzzisteve · « **Reply #26 on:** May 06, 2013, 01:38:46 PM »

Smallblock sheetmetal on a BigBlock is what it is.

rboe · « **Reply #27 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:45:11 PM »

Oh man, the pic on their facebook site of the speedo face is gorgeous. Any way to replace the face on my Griso's speedo with that one?

guzzisteve · « **Reply #28 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:59:27 PM »

Just order one from a Euro dealer, the whole dash. It does look better!!

youcanrunnaked · « **Reply #29 on:** May 06, 2013, 09:45:19 PM »

I'm wondering, if the California 1400 turns out to be a sales success, would Moto Guzzi be inclined to bring the Bellagio to the US? It would be an easy follow-up, until more new models are ready.

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Author Topic: 936-8V / 936 Bellagio with V7 Racer look / What is Guzzi waiting for ?? (Read 34093 times)

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