Motus merged threadfest

[oldbike54]

I agree with these points.   ;-T

Also mostly agree . However , MV Augusta manages to sell overpriced bikes that tend to lag a bit behind the Japanese , Ducati , and now the S1000 RR BMW in performance . Some buyers are willing to pay for ... let's call it exclusivity . Had a conversation with a surgeon and son a few years back . The surgeon was on an F4 MV , the son was on a CBR 1000 . Both admitted the Honda was a superior MC , but the MV was the bike that got all of the love .

  Dusty

[blackcat]

Hell yeah, look at that thing.

[rocker59]

Also mostly agree . However , MV Augusta manages to sell overpriced bikes that tend to lag a bit behind the Japanese , Ducati , and now the S1000 RR BMW in performance . Some buyers are willing to pay for ... let's call it exclusivity . Had a conversation with a surgeon and son a few years back . The surgeon was on an F4 MV , the son was on a CBR 1000 . Both admitted the Honda was a superior MC , but the MV was the bike that got all of the love .

  Dusty

If the MST had an MV-Agusta badge on the tank, they'd sell like hotcakes. 

Unfortunately, the d00ds who are pushing this dream came up with a st00pid name, "MOTUS",  that looks funny, sounds funny, isn't fun to pronounce, and has no cache'.  I'm not saying they should be using a historical name for the MST, but surely there is a better name for an American motorcycle than "MOTUS".

[oldbike54]

If the MST had an MV-Agusta badge on the tank, they'd sell like hotcakes. 

Unfortunately, the d00ds who are pushing this dream came up with a st00pid name, "MOTUS",  that looks funny, sounds funny, isn't fun to pronounce, and has no cache'.  I'm not saying they should be using a historical name for the MST, but surely there is a better name for an American motorcycle than "MOTUS".

I suggested ACME  ;D

  Dusty

[rocker59]

I suggested ACME  ;D

  Dusty

And the advertising tag line:  "ACME for rich guys!"  (A Cycle Made Exclusively for rich guys!)    :BEER:

[Lannis]

I suggested ACME  ;D

  Dusty

Get the Honda and Subaru guys to help name it.   Then you'd get Benly and Justy ... clear marketing winners!

Lannis

[demills]

MOTUS  -  Motorcycle Of The United States

kind of like

POTUS  - President Of The United States

[oldbike54]

Get the Honda and Subaru guys to help name it.   Then you'd get Benly and Justy ... clear marketing winners!

Lannis

Yeah , or the geniuses at GM who tried to market a car in the Spanish speaking world called .... wait for it .....


The Nova  ;D No Va . No bueno  ::) :D

  Dusty

[rocker59]

MOTUS  -  Motorcycle Of The United States

kind of like

POTUS  - President Of The United States

ANFUFAMOCO !  Another F'ing Failed Motorcycle Company!   :BEER:

[youcanrunnaked]

The MV Agusta comparison falls short because Motus has no royal pedigree, no track record of numerous victories, championships, and world championships, and no history of producing beautiful motorcycles that are universally coveted by collectors. Not to mention an F4 costs 1/3 less than an MST. 

Motus is instead justifying its lofty price on superior tech and performance. That's a difficult sell when there are bikes costing half as much that can match the performance while delivering a higher level of tech.

[oldbike54]

Craig , you are applying rational thought to the MC buying impulse , stop it  ;D The F4 is considerably more expensive than other sportbikes that outperform it . Also , this MV Augusta is not the same company that won all of those GP titles , so it's still all smoke and mirrors .

  Dusty

[Arizona Wayne]

Craig , you are applying rational thought to the MC buying impulse , stop it  ;D The F4 is considerably more expensive than other sportbikes that outperform it . Also , this MV Augusta is not the same company that won all of those GP titles , so it's still all smoke and mirrors .

  Dusty

Are you aware MV Augusta is once again road racing a bit in 600 class in WSBK?   Also a few years ago they were competing in AMA Superbike.

[oldbike54]

Are you aware MV Augusta is once again road racing a bit in 600 class in WSBK?   Also a few years ago they were competing in AMA Superbike.

There have been modern MVs entered in racing for a few years now , some endurance stuff early 2000s , but they aren't winning , and it still isn't the same company , despite Phil Read's attempts to connect the two . Yeah , they are quite attractive , but an S1000 RR is the better bike .

  Dusty

[Chuck in Indiana]

but an S1000 RR is the better bike .

Blasphemy..
I'd look better on an MV.  ;D

[oldbike54]

Blasphemy..
I'd look better on an MV.  ;D

In my case nothing much helps , but the beemer is still the better bike  ;D

  Dusty

[Joe A.]

I dunno, I automatically think of MST 3000 when I hear this name.

[youcanrunnaked]

[T]his MV Augusta is not the same company that won all of those GP titles , so it's still all smoke and mirrors .

 

Cagiva resurrected MV Agusta in much the same way that John Bloor resurrected Triumph.  While not direct descendants of their namesakes, each company benefits in the market from the halo of their predecessor companies.  Motus has no such halo.  

Putting that aside, the F4 has been deemed the world's most beautiful motorcycle by no less an authority than the curators of the Guggenheim Museum, and the Tamburini 1000 was named the "world's best sport bike" by Cycle World.  The MTS is a handsome bike, but comparing it to a modern MV is not unlike comparing a Corvette to a Ferrari -- only in this case, the Corvette is the one that is much more expensive.  If the Corvette cost 1/3 more than a Ferrari, how well do you think it would sell?

[oldbike54]

Craig , the Tamburini retailed for over 60K bucks , and an S1000RR would still outperform one .
 Dusty


Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .

[kirby1923]

 Dusty


Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .
[/quote]

I see your back on that damn submarine!!! Don't you know that you should never get in something that sinks on purpose!?

:-)

[oldbike54]

Dusty


Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .


I see your back on that damn submarine!!! Don't you know that you should never get in something that sinks on purpose!?

:-)

Yeah , and ours has the rare "screen door" option for keeping out mosquitoes  ;D

  Dusty

[pyoungbl]

Just got this from Motus:
http://motusmotorcycles.com/mst

lots of info about the bike, nothing about when one can actually buy one but they are talking about dealer demo rides.  This makes me think they are actually producing bikes for sale.

[blackcat]

Just got this from Motus:
http://motusmotorcycles.com/mst

lots of info about the bike, nothing about when one can actually buy one but they are talking about dealer demo rides.  This makes me think they are actually producing bikes for sale.

Nope. Demo bikes yes, but no bikes for sale until they solve this problem. From what I was told, lots of parts are sitting there but nothing is in production.

[bad Chad]

MOTUS  -  Motorcycle Of The United States

kind of like

POTUS  - President Of The United States

And I would be willing to bet a case of your most favorite beer, that if yo asked a 100 people in the USA what POTUS stands for, LESS than 10% could tell you correctly.

MOTUS as a brand name brings absolutely nothing to the table,..except for Moto Guzzi and Moto Morini riders! :D :D

[pyoungbl]

The email I just got showed their first class of tech training.  It looks like quite a few well known dealers are getting ready to sell and service the bikes.  If this is vaporware they are really pulling out all the stops to make it look real.  $30K still stops me but I really like the concept of a V4 pushrod engine with a wet clutch that you can work on without pulling the engine.  Hydraulic roller lifters so there is no valve adjustment needed.  Yes, ABS would be nice and so would cruise control.  I have never had the latter on a bike but maybe it would be handy when crossing Kansas.  If I get the chance I will take a demo ride.

Peter Y.

[Lannis]

The email I just got showed their first class of tech training.  It looks like quite a few well known dealers are getting ready to sell and service the bikes.  If this is vaporware they are really pulling out all the stops to make it look real.  $30K still stops me but I really like the concept of a V4 pushrod engine with a wet clutch that you can work on without pulling the engine.  Hydraulic roller lifters so there is no valve adjustment needed.  Yes, ABS would be nice and so would cruise control.  I have never had the latter on a bike but maybe it would be handy when crossing Kansas.  If I get the chance I will take a demo ride.

Peter Y.

Me too, all of that.

[bad Chad]

So much hype, for a bike that if it does reach production will not exceed 300 units a year??!!   

Really, less than 300 a year, why are we even talking about this.  These numbers make Guzzi look like a Giant in the industry!

Wake me when a Motus can be bought off the floor for 18K, my guess is I'm in for one very long nap!

[drums4money]

...
The biggest hurdle; that price. It's not astronomical high, but $30K is well beyond the average persons "oh what the hell why not!" limit. You'd need to be well healed. Well focused - and being single would help too. ...

Whoa- $30k.  I could have 2 brand spankin' new Agusta's for that.  I'll take a Brutale and an F3. 

[Dogwalker]

Also mostly agree . However , MV Augusta manages to sell overpriced bikes that tend to lag a bit behind the Japanese , Ducati , and now the S1000 RR BMW in performance .

The F4 is considerably more expensive than other sportbikes that outperform it .

The F4 won the Masterbike 2007 and came third in 2010, behind the BMW S1000RR and Aprilia RSV4 Factory and ahead of all the Japanese, and has continued to evolve since then (something changes in that bike every year).
The F4 is stably in the group of the top-notch supersport bikes. It may be that a year is slightly behind one of the others, but you have to be a very very very very very good pilot to judge the difference and say "that's better", otherwise, is just a matter of personal preference.

Moreover, on the Italian market, A base F4 costs less than a base RSV4 (and much less than a RSV4 Factory), less than a base Panigale, and only 240 Euros more than a S1000RR.

[Aaron D.]

The Motus may be an overpriced (in theory) vapor bike, but is a cool engine configuration no longer enough? Do we only want the latest doodads that really don't do much for actual riding? This is not my culture and heritage.

And as for MV-it may have the MV name attached to it, but it is no more authentic than if I were to wear a Patriots game jersey. It doesn't even share the basic concept, a race bike company funded for love by a rich guy.

[youcanrunnaked]

According to the Motus spec sheet, the bikes have ride-by-wire and cruise control.  My understanding is that once you have ride-by-wire, it's just a matter of adding some software and switches to get multi-map throttle modes; add ABS and some software, and you can also have traction control. So the presence of ride-by-wire technology suggests that these refinements might be coming, but it also makes their current absence particularly baffling.  With all of the development time that has been put into this bike, what are they waiting for?