To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest

[Randown]

Are we going to refer to guests as freeloaders? Is it an accurate characterization?

The reference has come up before so it must seem legitimate to some.

I think it’s an important discussion though it's a tangent- it’s gonna have a bearing on how welcoming WG is going forward.

YCRN put a lot of thought into his post.

[rocker59]

Have a look at the Moto Guzzi websites and social media platforms (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram,  YouTube, etc).
 

MGNOC on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/328264358708/

Since Wild Guzzi is not a "club" and wildguzzi.com/forums is the destination, I don't see why we "need" a Facebook page or group.  But, I'll mention it to Luap.  It would be just another thing for us to monitor, and to be honest, this one is enough...

[redge]

MGNOC on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/328264358708/

Since Wild Guzzi is not a "club" and wildguzzi.com/forums is the destination, I don't see why we "need" a Facebook page or group.  But, I'll mention it to Luap.  It would be just another thing for us to monitor, and to be honest, this one is enough...

Given that this is a forum, I wouldn't worry about Facebook.

It's a matter of who you want to attract as participants.

If you want some younger people, I would worry that the site design is, what, 15 to 20 years old? Totally dead graphic design? No Twitter or Instagram account?

Don't get me wrong. I think it's great that this forum exists, but to be honest, what do you think your demographic is? If you aren't attracting the people who are buying V7s, why? Why does Moto Guzzi's internet presence look contemporary and yours look, frankly, ancient?

[oldbike54]

Instagram , Twitter ? What are these funny sounding modern inventions of which you speak  ??? 

  Dusty

[rocker59]

Given that this is a forum, I wouldn't worry about Facebook.

It's a matter of who you want to attract as participants.

If you want some younger people, I would worry that the site design is, what, 15 to 20 years old? Totally dead graphic design? No Twitter or Instagram account?

Don't get me wrong. I think it's great that this forum exists, but to be honest, what do you think your demographic is? If you aren't attracting the people who are buying V7s, why? Why does Moto Guzzi's internet presence look contemporary and yours look, frankly, ancient?

Luap is the site Admin and IT guru around here, so I would have to defer to him on questions of why this forum is built the way it is, and looks the way it does.

Our demographic is about what Guzzi's is.  Peak of the Bell Curve is mid-50s.

We seem to have quite a bit of V7 Classic/Stone/Special/Racer talk on the forum.  And we have participation in those threads by a bunch of guys under 40.

Having never used Instagram or Twitter, I don't guess I'd be a good judge of how they could be used to promote our forum here.

[redge]

Luap is the site Admin and IT guru around here, so I would have to defer to him on questions of why this forum is built the way it is, and looks the way it does.

Our demographic is about what Guzzi's is.  Peak of the Bell Curve is mid-50s.

We seem to have quite a bit of V7 Classic/Stone/Special/Racer talk on the forum.  And we have participation in those threads by a bunch of guys under 40.

Having never used Instagram or Twitter, I don't guess I'd be a good judge of how they could be used to promote our forum here.

Hi Rocker49,

There is a huge disconnect between how Moto Guzzi is targeting its bikes, and to whom, and how this site operates.

That said, I want to thank you for letting me say what I think about this subject.

If the owner of this site wants to think about being contemporary, maybe it's worth looking at what Moto Guzzi is doing on the net and what sites like advrider are doing for forum presentation.

[rocker59]

Hi Rocker49,

There is a huge disconnect between how Moto Guzzi is targeting its bikes, and to whom, and how this site operates.

That said, I want to thank you for letting me say what I think about this subject.

59...  But who's counting?

You may be right.  And that my be true.  Truth is, Guzzis are bought and owned by people who do not meet the current hipster marketing campaign standard. 

Wild Guzzi doesn't claim to represent the company, or its targeted demographic of the moment.  Or, it's real demographic. 

We're an open forum, welcome to all who would like to discuss Moto Guzzis, and related events and activities.

It's just a virtual campfire.  No, the graphics aren't flashy.  No we're not on social media, such as Instagram and Twitter.  This forum is our social media.

Oh, and it's free.

Can't be all bad.

 :BEER:

[redge]

Truth is, Guzzis are bought and owned by people who do not meet the current hipster marketing campaign standard.

It is just a fact that Moto Guzzi V7s are being marketed under the hipster rubric, as the new Ducati Scramblers will be.

Personally, I don't care. I'm not a hipster, but I find the whole anti-hipster thing obnoxious. Maybe because I don't know what their sin is.

[redrider90]

It is just a fact that Moto Guzzi V7s are being marketed under the hipster rubric, as the new Ducati Scramblers will be.

Personally, I don't care. I'm not a hipster, but I find the whole anti-hipster thing obnoxious. Maybe because I don't know what their sin is.

In high school in Chicago I was a "greaser" and wore Italian knit shirts. I went to college wearing those clothes and became a quasi/semi hippie but not quite. I was not a full blown long hair. 
I remember the first time I heard the word hipster. I was hanging out on Friday night in Durham NC the weekend of Ton Up and the Bull City Rumble outside the Green Room while bikes were pilling in in groups. 
I still do not know what a hipster is. Are they the grandchildren of hippies?  ;D ::) 
But someone clue me in what a hipster is. Really I need to know cause I am clueless. But I also think WTF?

[redge]

In high school in Chicago I was a "greaser" and wore Italian knit shirts. I went to college wearing those clothes and became a quasi/semi hippie but not quite. I was not a full blown long hair.  
I remember the first time I heard the word hipster. I was hanging out on Friday night in Durham NC the weekend of Ton Up and the Bull City Rumble outside the Green Room while bikes were pilling in in groups.  
I still do not know what a hipster is. Are they the grandchildren of hippies?  ;D ::)  
But someone clue me in what a hipster is. Really I need to know cause I am clueless. But I also think WTF?

Loved reading this.

[rocker59]

It is just a fact that Moto Guzzi V7s are being marketed under the hipster rubric, as the new Ducati Scramblers will be.

Personally, I don't care. I'm not a hipster, but I find the whole anti-hipster thing obnoxious. Maybe because I don't know what their sin is.

If you detected an "anti-hipster thing" in my post, you are mistaken.

[gsf12man]

The site is elegant and reliable . . . not unlike a Moto Guzzi.

[rocker59]

 someone clue me in what a hipster is. Really I need to know cause I am clueless. But I also think WTF?

The term came into wide use in the 1940s to describe white middle-class kids who hung out at the black jazz clubs.

Since the 1990s, the term has been used to describe young, urban middle class adults with interests in retro, non-mainstream fashion and culture, particularly alternative music, independent (indy) rock, indy film. The term is sometimes used in a derogatory manner, referring to someone who moves from trend to trend while claiming to be outside of mainstream culture.

Actually, a lot of the 20-something hipsters doing the cafe racer thing look a lot like young versions of the Guzzisti you might see at a campout or rally.  

[redrider90]

The term came into wide use in the 1940s

 ???  Were the hell have I been. Really?...... since the 40's. Shit I was born in the forties.  :D :o

[Kev m]

Came back in the 90's? No way...

And only SOMETIMES derogatory?

::)

[Lannis]

The term came into wide use in the 1940s to describe white middle-class kids who hung out at the black jazz clubs.

Since the 1990s, the term has been used to describe young, urban middle class adults with interests in retro, non-mainstream fashion and culture, particularly alternative music, independent (indy) rock, indy film. The term is sometimes used in a derogatory manner, referring to someone who moves from trend to trend while claiming to be outside of mainstream culture.

Actually, a lot of the 20-something hipsters doing the cafe racer thing look a lot like young versions of the Guzzisti you might see at a campout or rally.  

Are we sure that this is improving the bandwidth-utilization efficiency 'round here ...  ;)

[rocker59]

The term came into wide use in the 1940s

 ???  Were the hell have I been. Really?...... since the 40's. Shit I was born in the forties.  :D :o

This cat was even using "the hipster" as his "middle name" in the 1940s:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gibson

1944:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlK0y8TlzUE

"Hip" is even older, dating to about 1902...

[redrider90]

This cat was even using "the hipster" as his "middle name" in the 1940s:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gibson

1944:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlK0y8TlzUE

"Hip" is even older, dating to about 1902...

I never associated hip with hipster. I just assumed hipster was a recent term like Gen Xers or Millennium. So there have been different hipsters over numerous generations.
 

[oldbike54]

Following the normal flow of language , next will come "hepster" , then , for a brief period of time , "hapster" . Really hoping beatnik lingo will come back around , as in , "that hep cat is one cool daddyo playin that ax"  :D What this has to do with bandwidth or the health of the clan , man I haven't been clued in to the haps  ;D 

  Dusty

[rodekyll]

And as the dominos tumble, can "hempster" be far behind?

[oldbike54]

And as the dominos tumble, can "hempster" be far behind?

 :D Followed by "hamster"  ;D
  Dusty

[Dean Rose]

Who hit the detour button on this thread?  ???  :beat_horse


Dean

[blackcat]

There is a sub-class of hipster now called a lumbersexual. This has real Guzzi potential.



Hell, they're already dressed for being around the campfire, just add the traditional suspenders and a V7.

PS. Just advertise free Wifi at the next rally and it's a done deal.


"This man embraces the look with an unkempt beard, nothing tight, plaid, maybe even plaid on plaid, and an appropriate level of disaffection"
http://gearjunkie.com/the-rise-of-the-lumbersexual

Oh, yeah this dude is ready.

[redrider90]

:D Followed by "hamster"  ;D
  Dusty

Oh Dusty you out did yourself.   :bow ;D :D ;-T
Methinks the linguists are coming out of the woodwork as well as out from under rocks to expand this thread from its dead end 'how to breath life into the corpse called MGNOC'.   ~;

[Kev m]

There is a sub-class of hipster now called a lumbersexual. This has real Guzzi potential.



Hell, they're already dressed for being around the campfire, just add the traditional suspenders AND ABOUT 50#
's of sammiches and a V7.

Fixored.  ;-T

[mtiberio]

My conga teacher told me, "It is OK to be HIP, but you do not want to be TOO HIP, because TWO HIPS make an ASS."

[Lannis]

Who hit the detour button on this thread?  ???  :beat_horse


Dean

Better call the moderator.

No, wait, it WAS the moderator!  :o

Lannis

[Rick T.]

Well this post went to shiiiiiyat...  ::)

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Hipsters are just the current crop of trendy youngsters

In the 2000's they would have been 'scene', in the 90's they were 'grunge', in the 80's they were skaters & valley girls, in the 70's punks, in the 60's hippies, in the 50's greasers etc etc etc

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My only interaction with the MGNOC has been seeing a few of their stickers on a few Guzzis...  I have been to the website maybe 5x just browsing the classified area..

I can't see a single thing the MGNOC could or would bring to my riding or ownership experience??  I did attend one rally so far, the VA Rally at Meadows of Dan last July.. The only evidence of the MGNOC there was the same.. a handful of the bikes had MGNOC stickers on them...  The only mention of the national club I heard all weekend was when the NC rep said that the MGNOC wouldn't put the NC Rally on the calendar because Frank doesn't like him.  So no, I'm not a member and not sure what im missing by not joining?

[mgfan]

Huey Lewis- It's Hip to be Square!   :BEER: