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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #450 on: November 26, 2014, 07:08:19 PM »
But why?


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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #451 on: November 26, 2014, 07:14:36 PM »
 . . . the other part of the penance is to then 'splain us what you read in 25 words or less.   ~;

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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #452 on: November 26, 2014, 08:54:36 PM »
David, from reading your post I have suspect you have the same opinion of MGNOC that I have about BMWMOA.   ;D  :BEER:
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« Reply #453 on: November 26, 2014, 09:42:03 PM »
Someone here mentioned sentimentality.  That pretty much sums up what camp I'm in.  Like many, I was a member when we still were mailed the hard copy.  I miss that, but see no reason to quit - at least while I still ride a Guzzi.  Also, I belong to the Wisconsin Club and membership in the MGNOC is required.  Considering I finally have a really good job that I actually like and that pays well, the $ I spend yearly for clubs and being on here isn't going to break the bank.   
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #454 on: November 26, 2014, 10:40:20 PM »
Hadn't been on the MGNOC site for years. All this talk raised my interest.  It says 3200 members. At $30/year (granted some pay a lifetime membership and come out a bit less than that) = right at $90K before expenses. No more newsletters = reduced expenses.  Then he sells a few items off the small store and maybe a some chump change off of ads from non members.  So I would think Frank does make a living off MGNOC. Not a criticism just adding the numbers from the site.
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #455 on: November 27, 2014, 08:13:54 AM »
Hadn't been on the MGNOC site for years. All this talk raised my interest.  It says 3200 members. At $30/year (granted some pay a lifetime membership and come out a bit less than that) = right at $90K before expenses. No more newsletters = reduced expenses.  Then he sells a few items off the small store and maybe a some chump change off of ads from non members.  So I would think Frank does make a living off MGNOC. Not a criticism just adding the numbers from the site.

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« Reply #456 on: November 27, 2014, 08:43:00 AM »
Hadn't been on the MGNOC site for years. All this talk raised my interest.  It says 3200 members. At $30/year (granted some pay a lifetime membership and come out a bit less than that) = right at $90K before expenses. No more newsletters = reduced expenses.  Then he sells a few items off the small store and maybe a some chump change off of ads from non members.  So I would think Frank does make a living off MGNOC. Not a criticism just adding the numbers from the site.

The money would still be in the company unless he took salary, paid both sides of the taxes, and c laimed the income.  Maybe MGNOC is just flush with cash.
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« Reply #457 on: November 27, 2014, 08:56:35 AM »
The money would still be in the company unless he took salary, paid both sides of the taxes, and c laimed the income.  Maybe MGNOC is just flush with cash.



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« Reply #458 on: November 27, 2014, 09:00:04 AM »
The money would still be in the company unless he took salary, paid both sides of the taxes, and c laimed the income.  Maybe MGNOC is just flush with cash.



I am sole proprietor of a chapter S corporation which is a fancy way of saying I own a small business. It would cost more in taxes to not take salary than let the money "pile" up in the business and be "flush with cash". My account does not like me carrying over much money from one year to the next.  
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« Reply #459 on: November 27, 2014, 10:02:09 AM »
Interesting ideas and thoughts for sure. I am a life member. been a member for close to 15 yrs. Love guzzi's and I love guzzi rallies and. Some of the people who attend them are some of the best folks I have ever met.

As to the club, if I wasn't a member, I may have not found the rallies, who knows? I am in the camp that Frank did a lot for MG in the US in the beginning. If I had to pay by the year.......I would have to put ALOT of thought into writing the check.   

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« Reply #460 on: November 27, 2014, 10:24:21 AM »
My guess it the number quoted at 3200, was prior to going digital.   I would venture that the current number of members is far lower.
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« Reply #461 on: November 27, 2014, 10:51:40 AM »
My guess it the number quoted at 3200, was prior to going digital.   I would venture that the current number of members is far lower.

Well that number, 3200 was on the website yesterday. So Frank is posting it as present tense.
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #462 on: November 27, 2014, 11:02:13 AM »
After reading all those posts, I almost didn't bother replying, but I want you guys to realize a few things...

I got involved with Guzzi owners in 2013. I joined MGNOC, and attended the Wisconsin rally because we designed an ignition for them.
At the time I did not own a Guzzi but the people were SO friendly and they didn't seem to mind.

This past year I attended the Iowa and Wisconsin rallies as a vendor (the only one). Again, the nicest people made me feel welcome even though I brought my Russian built Ural. I did feel as if Evan from Canada was the only young rider at Iowa. And that is why I have a suggestion...

Because of the friendships I made, a few days ago I purchased my first Guzzi. It is a 1967 V700 and with this forum's help it will be ready for next season. The best way to get young blood into the Guzzi world is to include an outsider into the Guzzi family.
Last year I brought my young friend Joey to the Wis rally and talked Jeff Parrish from Indiana into coming along with his wife/daughter. They both loved it and will return next year.  

Why don't we try our best to bring someone new to a rally or event? It doesn't have to be a hard fast RULE, but take it upon ourselves to introduce the fun, stories, laughter, and rides to a young person not yet familiar with the MG brand?


If we all bring a JOEY or JEFF to an event, you would be amazed how fast this group of old farts is suddenly not so old.
 


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« Reply #463 on: November 27, 2014, 11:43:12 AM »
I have never attended a MGNOC rally that I did not enjoy myself and always departed looking forward to next year. I can not say that about BMWMOA rally's.  I can't explain that-well, less just say I can't explain the BMW hang-up  in a way that makes sense, not even to me.  I do attend some of the Air Head rallies but only if there isn't a MG rally.  ::(  :BEER:
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« Reply #464 on: November 27, 2014, 12:06:14 PM »
That's a great suggestion C5.
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #465 on: November 27, 2014, 12:19:47 PM »
After reading all those posts, I almost didn't bother replying, but I want you guys to realize a few things...

I got involved with Guzzi owners in 2013. I joined MGNOC, and attended the Wisconsin rally because we designed an ignition for them.
At the time I did not own a Guzzi but the people were SO friendly and they didn't seem to mind.

This past year I attended the Iowa and Wisconsin rallies as a vendor (the only one). Again, the nicest people made me feel welcome even though I brought my Russian built Ural. I did feel as if Evan from Canada was the only young rider at Iowa. And that is why I have a suggestion...

Because of the friendships I made, a few days ago I purchased my first Guzzi. It is a 1967 V700 and with this forum's help it will be ready for next season. The best way to get young blood into the Guzzi world is to include an outsider into the Guzzi family.
Last year I brought my young friend Joey to the Wis rally and talked Jeff Parrish from Indiana into coming along with his wife/daughter. They both loved it and will return next year. 

Why don't we try our best to bring someone new to a rally or event? It doesn't have to be a hard fast RULE, but take it upon ourselves to introduce the fun, stories, laughter, and rides to a young person not yet familiar with the MG brand?


If we all bring a JOEY or JEFF to an event, you would be amazed how fast this group of old farts is suddenly not so old.
 



That's a great suggestion, I have invited friends to rallys for years. To most of the people I know that own bikes the thought of packing camping gear on a bike a backroading it across 2 or 3 states to sleep in a tent on, OMG!  ON THE GROUND? is just Crazy!    I get......why would you do that?   No thanks!   No Hotel???   What if it rains??? and  Ooooo that's too far (whining) But I'll keep trying ;D I guess I have pussies for friends! To most of them a ride to the tavern is thier idea of "touring" But they look tuff doing it!
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #466 on: November 27, 2014, 12:23:53 PM »
That's a great suggestion, I have invited friends to rallys for years. To most of the people I know that own bikes the thought of packing camping gear on a bike a backroading it across 2 or 3 states to sleep in a tent on, OMG!  ON THE GROUND? is just Crazy!    I get......why would you do that?   No thanks!   No Hotel???   What if it rains??? and  Ooooo that's too far (whining) But I'll keep trying ;D I guess I have pussies for friends! To most of them a ride to the tavern is thier idea of "touring" But they look tuff doing it!

Yeah.  I have to agree.  Rallies and Campouts are something attended by a small minority of motorcycle owners.

Over the years, I have tried to encourage friends to join me, but most motorcycle owners are just not interested.

Most motorcycle owners I know (even long-time riders) are not into travelling or touring by motorcycle. 

Over the years, my circle of motorcycle friends has reduced because of this.  The more I rode, the fewer people I had to ride with.  Funny phenomenon.



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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #467 on: November 27, 2014, 01:34:56 PM »
Yeah.  I have to agree.  Rallies and Campouts are something attended by a small minority of motorcycle owners.

Over the years, I have tried to encourage friends to join me, but most motorcycle owners are just not interested.

Most motorcycle owners I know (even long-time riders) are not into travelling or touring by motorcycle. 

Over the years, my circle of motorcycle friends has reduced because of this.  The more I rode, the fewer people I had to ride with.  Funny phenomenon.






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I had written down the following and wasn't sure I wanted to send it.  But then I just read your post and my thoughts kind of  mirrors what you said.
I would bet the farm that most MCists have not and do not care to ever go to a rally. How many  MCists even own rain gear much less want to hit the road on a weekend trip?  Those of us that go to rallies are a minority within a minority.
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #468 on: November 27, 2014, 02:26:32 PM »

Rocker,
I had written down the following and wasn't sure I wanted to send it.  But then I just read your post and my thoughts kind of  mirrors what you said.
I would bet the farm that most MCists have not and do not care to ever go to a rally. How many  MCists even own rain gear much less want to hit the road on a weekend trip?  Those of us that go to rallies are a minority within a minority.




The riders you refer to I call daytrippers.   Most Guzzisti I know are more serious about their riding commitment.   :)  For decades I ride cross country either moteling or tenting, depending on the circumstances.  ;D
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« Reply #469 on: November 27, 2014, 02:43:18 PM »
That's a great suggestion, I have invited friends to rallys for years. To most of the people I know that own bikes the thought of packing camping gear on a bike a backroading it across 2 or 3 states to sleep in a tent on, OMG!  ON THE GROUND? is just Crazy!    I get......why would you do that?   No thanks!   No Hotel???   What if it rains??? and  Ooooo that's too far (whining) But I'll keep trying ;D I guess I have pussies for friends! To most of them a ride to the tavern is thier idea of "touring" But they look tuff doing it!

I spent 25 years working in a dealership and on the ONE day off, I didn't really feel up to sleeping roadside either, and here is where we fail. Bring that "new" person to your local event. Even if its a generic thing like Road America, Mid Ohio, or Barber. There are Guzzi people at each of those events. Start with a day trip, work them into an over nighter, and go from there.

I'm alot more inclined to sleep in my trailer or tent (I do at every rally) if I know all my "buds" are going to be there waiting for me. In my past career, sometimes planning just sucked the fun right out of things.
Make a compromise and agree to a hotel on the second night (hot shower anyone?). I'm not preaching, just suggesting there are ways to motivate an outsider and once they taste the Guzzi fun....its easier the next time.



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« Reply #470 on: November 27, 2014, 03:34:20 PM »
Most of the motorcyclist I know, I have known for years and going to rallies was high on our list and we frequently went as a group.  No longer.  These days I ride alone.  :BEER:
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Re: To MGNOC, or not to MGNOC, the threadfest
« Reply #471 on: November 27, 2014, 04:08:02 PM »
I don't mind long distance riding, but not a camper. Mostly because I can never get much sleep and when I do it is fleeting.
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« Reply #472 on: November 27, 2014, 04:33:52 PM »
When I'm burning serious fuel I don't like to stop and camp.  I like running at night.  I'm more inclined to cat-nap on a roadside picnic table for an hour and then continue on my way.  I've done cost-to-coast runs that way with maybe one 'full' sleep session along the way.  Really the only two things that cramp that style are weather and the availability of gas.  I sometimes have to camp out at the fuel pumps until the station opens in the morning. 

Once I did that only to discover a 24-hour pump 10 miles farther down the road.  I probably had about exactly 10 miles left in the tank when I parked.   :-[

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« Reply #473 on: November 27, 2014, 04:52:55 PM »
@ the rallys I've been to the last couple of years there's always one guy that always says "I sleep better here than I do at home in bed" I won't mention who the okie is that would say something like that. I always ask him why he doesn't just sleep in the backyard ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #474 on: November 27, 2014, 05:27:15 PM »
Mgnoc is good. Wildguzzi is great. NARs are wonderful. Its all good. Never have been a big crowd guy, but I really like the guzzi folks I meet. As I age, this seems more so, then less. I too try to bring new folks in. Its not fir everybody,  but then that is appealing to me.
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« Reply #475 on: November 28, 2014, 09:19:36 PM »
UNCANNY !





Mike Deathrow used this same guys mug to help promote the Okie camp out in 2013 , could be why he isn't the rep anymore  ;D

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« Reply #476 on: November 28, 2014, 11:37:41 PM »
Mike Deathrow used this same guys mug to help promote the Okie camp out in 2013 , could be why he isn't the rep anymore  ;D

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« Reply #477 on: November 28, 2014, 11:57:20 PM »
Pretty sure Gilligan was an Okie ;D

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« Reply #478 on: November 29, 2014, 10:48:27 AM »
Pretty sure Gilligan was an Okie ;D

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No record he was an Okie, but there was "Dusty's Trail"*.  Oooh, the plot thickens!  

*Be a good name for a NAR that he organizes. Dusty leads a group of unsuspecting Guzzi riders to be hopelessly lost on the vast Kansas prairie.  :D
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« Reply #479 on: November 29, 2014, 10:51:29 AM »
No record he was an Okie, but there was "Dusty's Trail"*.  Oooh, the plot thickens! 

*Be a good name for a NAR that he organizes.   :D

Darren , that may be the only time anyone ever used "organizes" in re to that guy from Muskogee  :D

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