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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2014, 07:48:01 PM »
I've done a few HID mods now and find the same problems exist re: LED in terms of reflector/lens incompatibilities.  They've been discussed here and elsewhere so I won't repeat most.  The two I'll focus on is the warm-up time and rest time for HID v the others.  Mine take as long as 30sec to come to full brightness and they seriously do not like being toggled.  My HIDs WILL bbq a deer at ~mile ranges -- but their inability to be dipped and re-lit in a timely manner makes them useless as high beams.  And if you're after range and saturation with an HID conversion, it's silly to use them as a low beam.

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2014, 08:21:10 PM »
but their inability to be dipped and re-lit in a timely manner makes them useless as high beams. 

Why would you turn them off and on?

Mine stay lit. The high/low motor takes care of the shielding and moving for the dipped beam versus high beam.
The ones I have are shielded so well that the eliminated a light scatter problem that my stock Stelvio had.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2014, 09:02:45 PM »
 Which brand would that be? The H7's I have on my Buell scatter all over.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #93 on: November 04, 2014, 09:07:15 PM »
My bubble has been burst!  But maybe I saved $165 [for an H4 and a pair of H3s.]

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2014, 08:07:55 PM »
Was on Cyclegear site and came across these

http://www.cyclegear.com/SPEEDMETAL-LED-Conversion-Kit#pr-header-back-to-top-link

Speedmetal led kit

Going down the review looks like someone installed them on a stelvio.

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2014, 08:31:50 PM »
But is is a hi/lo beam or a one-trick pony?  I only see two leads on the connector . . .

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2014, 08:44:23 PM »
Was on Cyclegear site and came across these

http://www.cyclegear.com/SPEEDMETAL-LED-Conversion-Kit#pr-header-back-to-top-link

Speedmetal led kit

Going down the review looks like someone installed them on a stelvio.

I've got one at home.  I didn't fit in the headlight bucket on my Sport.  I'll probably put it in my Suzuki Bandit that has a brown sport in the headlight lens due to running a 100 wt H4 bulb for 79k miles
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #97 on: January 23, 2015, 02:56:48 PM »
I asked CycleGear some questions about the Speedmetal LED bulb, and got some answers.

RH: SKU : web2046547
Is this bulb DOT "approved"?
Does it have real high and low beams, with low beam cut-off?
Does it have a cooling fan? How is it cooled?

CG: These lights are not DOT approved for street use.  They are a single bulb and do not adjust for high and low beam.  There is no cooling fan. 

RH: You wrote: "They are a single bulb and do not adjust for high and low beam."
I know that this would be true for the H7 bulbs. Is it also true for the H4 bulbs? They are normally high/low dual filament.
What is the color temperature? 

CG: This would be the same for all of the bulbs this product offers.  Unfortunately we do not have the color temperature information available.

IMHO: These are not acceptable bulbs!
Now to decide between the ADVmonster and the Cyclops which is a bit brighter, and a bit warmer light, but twice the money.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #98 on: January 23, 2015, 04:45:45 PM »
Redhawk,

I purchase an H4 high-low LED bulb from Todd @ Guzzitech and installed in my 07 Griso.

Yes it does have a round thingy after the "three sided - bulb" maybe it is a fan but I really don't know what it is.  The kit came with adapter rings for other types of High-Low bulbs but Todd had already put the H4 ring on mine.

Installation was easy, two screws off, out with bulb assembly, pull loose rubber bulb cover, press down spring, disconnect wiring plug then reverse order but I left off the rubber bulb cover.

I've only commuted a few foggy morning with my new light on the low setting but here's what I've found:

The bulb is suppose to be rated at 3,000 lumen and I believe it.

The bulb has a higher temperature (shorter wavelength) and is whiter.

It does project further and signs / reflectors / road -edge white paint lines really shine out now.

The light is flat due to the wavelength and you loose contrast.  (warmer light has better contrast)

I don't know about the high setting I haven't used it due to nearby traffic.  One these days I'll have to really try the high beam out.  The high beam does work- - that much I do know.



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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2015, 04:57:07 PM »
Yes it does have a round thingy after the "three sided - bulb" maybe it is a fan but I really don't know what it is.  The kit came with adapter rings for other types of High-Low bulbs but Todd had already put the H4 ring on mine.

That sounds like it's the same as the Cyclops H4 LED bulb that I've been using.  That's the one with high/low, but the low beam doesn't  have any cutoff to keep light out of oncoming drivers' eyes.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #100 on: January 23, 2015, 07:54:09 PM »
I had the cyclops in my V7R.    No low beam cutoff.   The only difference between low and high beam, was that high was a little brighter.

The ADV Monster H4 has a nice cut off.    The Rev 1 ADVMonster is too deep to fit the V7's headlight bucket.
The Rev 2 fits, and has an even better cutoff.

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #101 on: January 23, 2015, 08:23:05 PM »
I've got one of these kits.  I didn't fit in the bucket on my Greenie.  I assume it won't fit on the EV.  I was going to install it in my Bandit to replace the 100 wt H4.  This is a fairing mount and doesn't have a bucket.  Haven't gotten around to it.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #102 on: January 26, 2015, 01:37:50 AM »
There seems to be a little confusion about LED cooling. The reason for cooling is not because the LED will get hotter than a halogen bulb. It is because of two factors:-
1.  The Lumen output of a LED drops considerably with temperature.
2.  The LED has a negative temperature coefficient. i.e. The voltage drop decreases with temperature and so, if not cooled will draw larger and larger currents and keep heating more until they fail.
They should be driven with a constant current regulator for this reason. I don't know if this is the case in the cheaper units?

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #103 on: April 05, 2015, 11:19:22 PM »
A mfgr has no obligation to list every standard his product doesn't comply with, but those who have been certified in some standard are usually proud to say as much.  So it's easy to tell DOT compliance.  If it's not a beenie helmet and labeled as DOT compliant, it is.  If not, it isn't.  Assuming it is because it's not marked NOT DOT compliant is like assuming anything not marked NOT FOOD is edible.

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #104 on: April 06, 2015, 08:35:10 AM »
I took rodekyll's post to mean the opposite of what you said, that if it's not marked, you can probably assume it's not compliant.  If it is marked, it's compliant and meets standards, with the exception of beenie helmets with counterfeit DOT labels.  I think that's what he meant, anyway.

As far as your bulb being better than a DOT compliant one, one of the requirements of DOT compliance is that on low beam, the bulb can't glare in oncoming drivers' eyes.  My LED bulb does not have good low beam cutoff, and is not DOT compliant, but it produces lots of bright light.

Reply 19 in this thread:  http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=70273.0  shows my LED bulb's output compared to a DOT approved quartz halogen bulb.  You can clearly see the difference in the low beam patterns.  I don't ride at night, so I've been enjoying the low current draw and visibility of the LED bulb, but I'll eventually change to a DOT approved version at some point.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #105 on: April 06, 2015, 11:02:35 AM »
I have a pickup truck that has the factory headlight bulbs.  I have drivers flash their head lights at me nearly every night I drive.  I have had truck drivers complain to me over my C.B radio about my bright lights (yes I have a C.B. radio), yet they are compliant. 

Have you at least TRIED to have these adjusted?
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #106 on: April 06, 2015, 11:24:52 AM »
too-bright headlights may help you see down the road better, but you risk blinding/dazzling oncoming drivers who might not be able to keep it between the lines.

I'd rather have a few less candlepower than have a dazzled driver veer into my path some night.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #107 on: April 06, 2015, 11:43:36 AM »
So, the million dollar question is, what is DOT compliant?

I bet the DOT requirements for approval of a headlight can be found on the web, with some searching.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #108 on: April 06, 2015, 12:09:35 PM »
too-bright headlights may help you see down the road better, but you risk blinding/dazzling oncoming drivers who might not be able to keep it between the lines.

I'd rather have a few less candlepower than have a dazzled driver veer into my path some night.

Quite so and the reverse is also true. While I try to avoid riding after dark for the simple reason that wildlife is so prolific around here the risk of hitting something is so high as to be almost inevitable an added menace of late is the addition of LED light bars to the front of vehicles, most particularly large 4X4's. While these undoubtably offer greatly improved illumination for the driver of the vehicle they are on they are blinding for oncoming traffic even from a considerable distance away. On the rare occasions I do venture further than the pub after dark I find these over-illuminated pests a dangerous nuisance, not only as they make it very hard to see the road but the glare also makes it virtually impossible for oncoming drivers to detect the very fauna the owners of the light bars are hoping to spot!

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #109 on: April 06, 2015, 01:00:30 PM »
I was curious so did look up headlight standards.  It was not simple.  First, regulations on placement, testing, size, etc.  Then those reference other standards.  I think I went through about5layers of documents before I came to the specific headlight performance requirement, which is the SAE standards.

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #110 on: April 06, 2015, 01:53:34 PM »
From your reference note:

" Required equipment shall be de-
signed to conform to the SAE Stand-
ards or Recommended Practices ref-
erenced in those tables."

See my post just above yours  ;)
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #111 on: April 06, 2015, 03:25:58 PM »
Has any body tried the LED that Harpers sells? My V11 EV could use a better headlight.

http://www.harpermoto.com/l.e.d-headlight-retrofit-kit-481102.html
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #112 on: April 06, 2015, 03:30:36 PM »
So, the million dollar question is, what is DOT compliant?  Is it a minimum standard, a maximum standard?  Is it a law?  The term glare is relative.  I have a pickup truck that has the factory headlight bulbs.  I have drivers flash their head lights at me nearly every night I drive.  I have had truck drivers complain to me over my C.B radio about my bright lights (yes I have a C.B. radio), yet they are compliant.  A motorcycle headlight in most situations can be adjusted up and down with a reach over the handle bars.  Cars have two h4 bulbs and motorcycles have one.  I would think that having one bulb that is brighter is no different than having two lights.  Anyway, if we are going to do inventory of non compliant feature on a motorcycle, I am sure the headlight is the least important.  I do not have a horn, non DOT exhaust, open air filters, non DOT fuel management, no resistor plugs and wires, small mirrors, no exhaust gas or fuel tank recovery.  A bright headlight is the least of my worries.  I had no effect on the truck and trailer parked on the other side of the blind hill yesterday that I almost hit. 

We get it.  You're an American, so the rules don't apply to you.  Interesting rationalization of beliefs v reality.  I'd like to be in the courtroom when you try it on the judge.    :winer

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #113 on: April 06, 2015, 03:32:36 PM »
Has any body tried the LED that Harpers sells? My V11 EV could use a better headlight.

http://www.harpermoto.com/l.e.d-headlight-retrofit-kit-481102.html

That looks very much like the Cyclops 20/30 watt LED bulb I have.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #114 on: April 06, 2015, 07:20:42 PM »
But the pattern of the lighting is listed  ;)
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #115 on: April 06, 2015, 07:35:38 PM »
So my reality is the same as yours.  To many rules, to many laws, we, me and you are criminals.  I got penalized today by the IRS for putting to much money in my medical saving account and then spending on my medical bills.  I'm sure that your motor vehicles are 100% compliant. Yes I am an American, greedy and very self centered like all the rest of the American's I know. 

Now that I took the time to read 108 pages of NHTSB/DOT rules on head lights, I found there are minimum standards for lighting. And they pertained to minimum wattage, maximum number of lights and location of lights.  Maximum brightness was not listed. 

No, we have nothing in common.  Especially not at this level.

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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #116 on: April 07, 2015, 05:49:54 AM »
I am running two Cyclops H-4 LEDS in my Stelvio with GREAT results.

The biggest help, however, is from the twin Rigid D2 HD Driving auxiliary lamps that I installed. Posted elsewhere.


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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #117 on: April 10, 2015, 08:23:33 AM »
Has any body tried the LED that Harpers sells? My V11 EV could use a better headlight.

http://www.harpermoto.com/l.e.d-headlight-retrofit-kit-481102.html

That looks like the Cyclops.    The low-beam cutoff is pretty non-existant.     Low beam is just slightly dimmer than high, but, no cutoff.
I have one in my V7R, but, am replacing it with an ADVMonster, Rev2, (Rev 1 doesn't fit).   The ADVMonster has way better cutoff, though, still not perfect.   It is acceptable enough to not blind oncoming drivers.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #118 on: April 10, 2015, 08:48:20 AM »
That looks like the Cyclops.    The low-beam cutoff is pretty non-existant.     Low beam is just slightly dimmer than high, but, no cutoff.
I have one in my V7R, but, am replacing it with an ADVMonster, Rev2, (Rev 1 doesn't fit).   The ADVMonster has way better cutoff, though, still not perfect.   It is acceptable enough to not blind oncoming drivers.

I'd love to see a couple high/low photos if you get the time.
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Re: H4 type LED headlight bulb...Anyone try one of these?
« Reply #119 on: April 10, 2015, 08:50:57 AM »
I've been running my Cyclops H-4 LED conversions in my Stelvio for about 2 weeks now along with the Rigid D2 HD auxiliaries.

This set-up produces an amazing amount of light. I've made several night trips in substantial traffic and I have not had any flashes from oncoming cars. The H-4 inserts are set adequately high for me and the high beam fills in quite a ways down the road.  The biggest help, by far, are the auxiliary Rigids that I have splayed out a few degrees to illuminate the road sides in front of me. Apparently, the angle of my aim is such that oncoming traffic is not getting a direct focused beam in their eyes.

The performance of the H-4 conversions are probably largely dependent on the reflector design of the stock lamps into which they are installed. I'm very satisfied with mine although installation requires some fiddling as I have outlined earlier.

More here-

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