Freshly serviced breva dies on side of the road.. Your guess?

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Just had my breva at riders hill for spring service

It was running ok, just a tune up

It had
New plugs outter & inner
Canisterectomy
New fuel filter
Valve adjustments
Brake job
Gps pigtail wired to battery
Tb cleaned/ balanced
Correct updated map for stain tune exhaust

I put a new air filter in about 200miles ago

I got the bike home, took it off the truck and ran it to the corner store and back >4mi

It ran perfect

Parked it two days

Went to ride today, started and purred on first flick

As I pulled out of my driveway onto the street it just cut out when I pulled in clutch & stopped at sign

I live at the top of a hill so I just rolled on and tryed to start it.. No dice

I try to bump start it down the hill.. No go

I pull off at a flat place, try to start it, now the starter keeps turning even when I take thumb off the button, have to hit kill switch to stop it

Key off, key on
Big red SERVICE light is on

Key off key on
No service light, normal needle sweep, but hit start button clunk then nothing

Key off count to ten key on
Normal sweep, starter turns, keeps turning when I release button
Till kill switch

Key off on clunk
Etc
Etc
Etc

Little less than 1/4 tank of gas (opened and looked can't see it but it's sloshing)

Checked main 30a fuses both good

Battery connects tight

HIT ME WITH A GUESS... I'm a mile from my house DOWN. BY. THE. RIVER.


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[Andrew Thomas Evans]

Sounds like a switch is preventing it from getting going.

Just IMO and I'm about a ready to leave from work.

[MotoGuzzi]

Bad connection, This >"Gps pigtail wired to battery"

[Vasco DG]

When you hit the starter button the motor should turn for four seconds, if it doesn't fire in that time the starter should stop spinning. If its longer than four seconds and its still spinning there has to be some form of direct feed event happening to the starter or the ECU is continuing to send a start command to the starter relay.

Obvious places to look are the sidestand switch and clutch switch but these should not allow the starter to spin.

Pete

[kckershovel]

(Points, Carburetors) ummm all kidding aside I'm guessing it has something to do with the GPS pigtail. That sounds like the only electrical work done. That or a pinched shorted wire that happened during the work. My normal diagnostics would say to pull the plugs and check for spark and to listen for fuel pump priming sound. Other than that I don't know enough about the newer bikes to be of any help.

[oldbike54]

My first call would be to Riders Hill .
Dusty


Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .

[Guzzistajohn]

That's what any good submarine captian would do, yellow or otherwise ::) ::) ::)

My first call would be to Riders Hill .
Dusty


Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

The pigtail is wired direct to battery and fused

Tried to call riders hill couldn't get them around 4:30 today

Side stand switch seems to be working-- at least the idiot light on dash indicates the correct position


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[Mayor_of_BBQ]

As for clutch switch, I tried starting it in neutral with clutch out and in


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[kckershovel]

Can you hear Fuel pump? Did you pull spark plug and check for spark?

I will assume the Air-filter is not clogged shut so first we need to know what of the other 2 things needed to run the bike is not getting. fuel or spark. Now I go about things differently than others. If it were me I would check spark first. If spark is present I would spray a little starting fluid into the throttle body to see if it tries to start or runs momentarily. If so you would then only need to figure out why the bike is not getting fuel.  If there is no spark well then you just need to figure out why?

[Wayne Orwig]

Likely, some mystery connector/connection got loosened when they added that GPS wire.
Investigate the areas it is in closely.

[Penderic]

Possible that one of the electrical connectors serviced was not seated 100% and backed out enough to disconnect. Try unpluging and repluging anything you can get to. Good Luck!  ;-T

[Guzzidad]

Probably a weak battery. The voltage is there but it has lost it's punch. My Triumph Tiger has done the same thing to me a couple of times at the end of its battery life. Time spent in the shop is often with the key in the on position for extended periods of time. That can finish off a battery that otherwise seemed ok. You can't bring it back, it has lost it's will to live.

[guzzisteve]

 :BEER: :pop Ian should be around in the AM tomarrow.

[EvanM]

Fuel filter installed in the wrong direction?

[biking sailor]

Easy thing to do is pull an outer plug after cranking to see if it is wet with fuel.  When my Breva lost it's fuel filter, the plugs were very dry.  I would rule out fuel issue by doing that.  Could be simply a fuel line came off from when the filter was changed (or filter wrong direction as mentioned before).  Then on to electrical.

[Scott of the Sahara]

I did that to my own filter. The hose clamp fell off after 4 miles. I was home when it failed, but the 4 miles was to the gas station to fill up. So then I had to remove a full tank and remove the fuel pump again. this time I used better hose clamps.

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

Thanks for all the suggestions guys.

I got the tech who worked on it on the phone. His only suggestion was check the tubing to the throttle bodies and make sure they are connected? Lol

I reinstalled the charged battery which of course didn't help shit.

At this point I was going to load it up in the back of the truck. But I've never pushed it up the ramps solo without driving it up under throttle.

I found a likely spot further down the hill where I can back the truck and roll it in without the ramps being too steep.

Of course my straps aren't in the truck, they are in my storage unit wrapped around this damn oven I just bought and unloaded solo...

So a trip to Great Northern for furniture dollies to put the range on.. Take the straps off. Back to the bike.

Only now the temp has dropped 20degrees and the wind is howling.. And what's that? Sleet?!? Awesome.

I'm not dumb enough to try and load it solo in the wet so..

My bike is still sitting at the bottom of my street


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[Markcarovilli]

I feel your pain - wish I were there to help.

Mark

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I'm pretty sure it's not getting fuel.. I will pull the plugs and check as soon as it stops raining/sleeting or as soon as I get it home .. Which ever comes first.

If it has spark & no gas I'll pull the tank and check the filter.

I'm really kicking myself in the ass for taking it for service. I could do everything they did except the ecu stuff.

Now I have to take it apart on my front steps and more or less do it over again.   That's exactly what I was trying to avoid when I took it for service.


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[oldbike54]

I hope you live in a low crime area , but not wanting to deal with this in freezing rain and wind is understandable .
Dusty


Sent from a submarine in Oklahoma .

[Vasco DG]

Blown off fuel hose in the tank won't trigger a 'Service' warning as it isn't something that the OBD can 'Detect'.

Pete

[Sasquatch Jim]

  To begin with I would remove the fuze from the pigtail just to take that circuit out of the equation. Then go circuit by circuit with a multi meter and test each individually.  If you have a mechanics stethoscope you can touch the probe to each relay while energizing that circuit.  You are listening for the tiny click that the tiny solenoid in the relay makes when it moves.
 I have seen relays too weak to function properly but test okay before you energize them.

[molly]

I'm pretty sure it's not getting fuel.. I will pull the plugs and check as soon as it stops raining/sleeting or as soon as I get it home .. Which ever comes first.

If it has spark & no gas I'll pull the tank and check the filter.

I'm really kicking myself in the ass for taking it for service. I could do everything they did except the ecu stuff.

Now I have to take it apart on my front steps and more or less do it over again.   That's exactly what I was trying to avoid when I took it for service.

I'm feel your pain on this one for sure. Have you checked the error codes on the dash?

[Mayor_of_BBQ]

I'm feel your pain on this one for sure. Have you checked the error codes on the dash?

I don't know how to do this
I will try to search around and figure it out


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[Mayor_of_BBQ]

  To begin with I would remove the fuze from the pigtail just to take that circuit out of the equation. Then go circuit by circuit with a multi meter and test each individually.  If you have a mechanics stethoscope you can touch the probe to each relay while energizing that circuit.  You are listening for the tiny click that the tiny solenoid in the relay makes when it moves.
 I have seen relays too weak to function properly but test okay before you energize them.

There is no fuse in the pigtail.. The mechanic didn't install one because he 'didn't know how many amps my gps was'?

As for the multi-meter I don't have one and I don't know how to use it.

I'll get one and use the manual to try and figure out how to do that if the fuel filter & plumbing all look ok

Thanks


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[Lannis]

There is no fuse in the pigtail.. The mechanic didn't install one because he 'didn't know how many amps my gps was'?

One thing for sure - you can quit calling this lemon a "mechanic" ....  :o    2 minutes on the Internet would have given him the answer to that ....

Lannis

[Kev m]

This really sounds like an electrical connection is:

1. Loose
2. Has a section of bare wire that is shorting on something

[biking sailor]

My recomendation.

Step 1.  Turn the ignition switch to the on position with the gas cap open while listening for the fuel pump to work for a few seconds and watch for bubbling/swirling gas (since you just refueled the tank, might be kind of hard to tell).  If you hear the fuel pump run for a few seconds, that is good and you know it is getting a proper signal.  If you see gas swirling around, that is a sign of a hose loose on the fuel pump.
Step 2.  Hit the start button and let the ECU cycle all the way through the start sequence (don't turn it back off unless the starter runs for an extended period of time, as it will turn the starter motor something like 4 seconds and quit on its own if the bike does not start).  If no start, pull out a spark plug and check it for being wet with gas.

This will tell you if it is a fuel issue and what I would do first since it is so easy.  The red triangle of death warning that popped up once, if I read/understood your report correctly, could be a nonrelated issue like the oil pressure sending unit not reading properly.  

Also, download a PDF of your service manual, Guzzitech has then on-line, and read up on how to enter the diagnostics code and interpret the fault codes, recording them for future reference.  On my Breva, I would periodically clear the codes after recording them to see what popped up once or was a repeat offender that needed attention.

Good luck and wish I was close enough to come help you rescue yor Guzzi.  Note, I've had help pushing a bike up the ramps into my truck from passers by more than once.  Seems most guys would be willing to help if asked, gives them something to tell their friends about later at the bar!   ;-T

[Triple Jim]

One thing for sure - you can quit calling this lemon a "mechanic" ....  :o    2 minutes on the Internet would have given him the answer to that ....

Lannis

That's for sure.  Even without looking it up, no GPS receiver is going to draw anything in the range of whole amps, so he could have guessed and put in a 2A fuse to protect the wiring.