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Oh yeah, then there are those pesky valve adjustments, and ohh, then there are the timing belts to replace biennially.
Valve adjustments on a 2 valve is no big deal. Maybe an hour.. *if* you have access to the shims. The belt change on a Duck is a no brainer. That said, gimme a Guzzi.. ;D
Andrea Maria Benedetto (product development manager of Piaggo Group) tells about Moto Guzzi V7 II (in Italian)Gearbox with an internal oil pump, gear oil change every 50.000 km. Seat lowered of 15mm, pegs lowered of 25mm (so 10mm respect to the seat). The rotation of the engine give 30mm more room for the knees.DogW
Gearbox comparison. Above the old one, in the middle the new one, below that of the California 1400.
Probably a dumb question. Will changing the engine position allow for greater rear suspension travel? Ala Scrambler?
Don't forget that chain/sprocket stuff. My Multi and ST2 would eat a set at about 15K ($300), and the dry clutches were another $500 at about the same time. People don't factor this in when making the buying decision so Ducati has great sales numbers. Resale, that's another issue. Of course our Guzzi resale value is not so hot either but I suspect that's because the marque is so obscure. It does not take too long for the normal service bill on a Ducati to equal 25% of the value of the entire bike. Been there and done that.Peter Y.
jas67, what say you about fuelling and suspension on your Monster vs the V7??
****That said, 9 out of 10 times, I still prefer to ride the V7.
There's no comparison...................That said, 9 out of 10 times, I still prefer to ride the V7.
And on the other side of the coin there's about +25hp, and in my area a far stronger dealer network..... that I know to be true! :( As for resale, seems you can always sell a Ducati in my part of the world, but you can't give away a Guzzi.... that I know to be true! :(I'm thinking the suspension and fuelling on the Duc. will be better then the V7...jas67, what say you about fuelling and suspension on your Monster vs the V7??Paul
We're damn lucky to have sooooo many great choices.Paul
Some mornings it is hard to decide which one to ride -- that is a good problem to have. ;D
And on the other side of the coin there's about +25hp, and in my area a far stronger dealer network..... that I know to be true! :(
Inquiring minds -- and even duller ones such as mine :D -- wonder why, especially after that interesting Monster v. V7 compo.Seriously, as a Guzzi Kool-Aid drunkard, I think I understand, but do wonder if there is actually something "real rather than romantic" that I might be missing. Perhaps my involuntary benching has me thinking thoughts I shouldn't, but, always intrigued, I am becoming sorely tempted by the latest 7's.
I pretty sure I have broke the ton on my v65sp, not sure as the speedo if of course off by about 6 mph, and it only reads to 80 anyway! But it pulled long past 80, and maybe I was only going 95, but she felt more like 145!I'm sure the new v7s, have far superior suspension then the weirdo stuff running on the 30 year old v65, but I get what Kev means.
And I've broken the ton on the V7, and the suspension is NOT BAD for what it is, but it's not on the level of the Duc, but that doesn't matter... It doesn't make me WANT to break the ton just to have fun.
But as they both pointed out the Guzzi is just plain fun, roadworthy, makes you smile even at legal speeds.I hate to say it because many will jump to their preconceived negative notions, but it's similar to why a Harley is fun at 55-60 mph and a CBR can be boring at 80 mph.I recently moved to the land of long, flat, and straight. I go out on the V7 and enjoy those roads as much as I can. Sure I miss the twisties from time-to-time as the V7 did shine there as well, but unlike the Duc, it shines on the flat forest roads as well.On the Duc I wasn't here a week before I was like, hmmm, faster, hmmm faster, hmmm faster, hmmmm so the readout will SAY 120, I shoulda checked that with the GPS... ...seriously, I don't need that in my life.Like Jay say, maybe the Duc would murder the V7 on a track, but I don't live on a track, I don't ride on a track. And in the real world, though I can tell what a fantastic chassis the Duc has, I don't really care as I can pretty much do anything that I would dare do (or SHOULD dare do) on the Duc with the V7 (except that I have no desire to find out if I could see 120 indicated on the V7, and that's fine with me).I still say it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow.
Interesting, we are all three about the same age, though you and your dick head brother seem to have a bit wider experience on two wheels than I. I let you two figure out who is the dick! :D :D ;)
I think Jay, and surprisingly enough KevD, probably answered it for me. I say surprisingly because KevD seems to still constantly lament the "does the V7 make enough power" issue.
It's not "Does it make enough power", it's "Guzzi would sell a boat load" if it did make more power. 30hp gets the job done just fine, so no worries on "does it" with 38hp. There's more to it than hp for me though as I've stated. It needs to retain it's general character like the big blocks did, so... an upgrade to the same engine with a new head design is what I'd personally like. If they took it from 38 to around 50 RWHP that is a huge change and would separate it from say the Bonneville. We know that this can already be achieved today with the bikes you own, so it's not a big deal from stock set-up. It's fine as is of course. I've owned two of them (B750's) with more than 60k miles between them so I'm not trying to knock what's out there. Just a wish-list thing. It will happen as Pete seems to suggest in past history.-Kevin
Sometimes I find it interesting to step outside the kool-aid - and some damn fine juice it is! - and peek at what non-Guzzisti think of the bikes and/or new releases. Over at Rideapart they posted the new V7 info and these are the comments thus far. In no way, shape, or form am I saying their comments are remotely valid, just interesting to sometimes see what folks have to say.− • Reply•Share › AvatarNick Napoda • 2 days agoI am really into the Griso but not it's 550lb curb weight! That is the one point that keeps me away. I had the V7 and it was cool but just didn't offer enough performance to keep me engaged. Sold it for a Ducati Monster. Right now really looking forward to the Ducati Scrambler. • Reply•Share ›