2015 Moto Guzzi V7 II merged threadfest

[rocker59]

Moto Guzzi (including its New York dealer) is not only not at the show, but it has said nothing about when its ABS bikes will be available in North America.

There have been two different estimates of V7-II availability in the USA:

-Late Spring 2015 as a 2016 model.  (reported in a magazine first ride article)
-Fall 2015 as a 2016 model.  (several members report being told this by dealer employees)

Me, personally, I believe it will be available in The USA in the Fall of 2015 as a 2016 model.  Same as just about every other intro since Piaggio has been running the show.

You're kidding yourself if you think it will beat the Ducati Scrambler to market in 2015.

Enjoy your new Ducati.


 

[redge]

There have been two different estimates of V7-II availability in the USA:

-Late Spring 2015 as a 2016 model.  (reported in a magazine first ride article)
-Fall 2015 as a 2016 model.  (several members report being told this by dealer employees)

Me, personally, I believe it will be available in The USA in the Fall of 2015 as a 2016 model.  Same as just about every other intro since Piaggio has been running the show.

You're kidding yourself if you think it will beat the Ducati Scrambler to market in 2015.

Enjoy your new Ducati.


 

If Moto Guzzi says by 12 December that it will deliver an ABS bike in North America this spring, even late spring, I'm in.

Failing that, yes I'm likely to buy the Ducati. And a lot of other people who might buy the Guzzi are also likely to buy the Ducati.

[bad Chad]

Why is Dec 12 your line in the sand?   What would happen if you found out Dec 19th, that Guzzi planned to have the bikes in stores by May?

The bikes will be here sometime between April and September.  Your going to buy the Duc anyway, why jump up and down about Guzzi?

[redge]

Why is Dec 12 your line in the sand?   What would happen if you found out Dec 19th, that Guzzi planned to have the bikes in stores by May?

The bikes will be here sometime between April and September.  Your going to buy the Duc anyway, why jump up and down about Guzzi?

As I said earlier, I am inclined to buy a Guzzi V7.

But it seems to me that if Piaggio/Moto Guzzi wants to compete with the Ducati Scrambler, at least in North America, it has to say so very soon, failing which it seems to me that it is going to cede most of its V7 North American audience to Ducati.

[bad Chad]

Why don't you send them an email and ask?   I did that a couple years back asking about availability of then new 8v Norge.  I received a reply back within a couple days.

[rocker59]

If Moto Guzzi says by 12 December that it will deliver an ABS bike in North America this spring, even late spring, I'm in.

Failing that, yes I'm likely to buy the Ducati. And a lot of other people who might buy the Guzzi are also likely to buy the Ducati.

Over the last 20 years, Guzzi has built next year's USA bikes in the last quarter of this year.  There have been a few exceptions, such as the California 1400, but it's pretty normal to see build dates for USA Guzzis to be in the last quarter of the year.  October/November/December.  That's been what I've seen on the last four or five Guzzis I've owned.  I've had a few that were built in the same year as the model year.

Things at Guzzi are as good as they've ever been.  

Though some sales might be lost to Ducati over the Scrambler because the V7-II will arrive months later, the real reason Guzzi's V7 will lose sales to the Ducati has to do with horsepower.   Sorry.  That's the truth.  And, Guzzi will not have a horsepower remedy for another year, at least.

[redge]

...
Though some sales might be lost to Ducati over the Scrambler because the V7-II will arrive months later, the real reason Guzzi's V7 will lose sales to the Ducati has to do with horsepower.   Sorry.  That's the truth.  And, Guzzi will not have a horsepower remedy for another year, at least.

Yes, the 25 hp difference is something that buyers like me have to take into consideration, but I would have preferred to work through how I feel about both bikes instead of being in a situation where only the Ducati bike, if one wants ABS, is competitive in North America.

[rocker59]

Yes, the 25 hp difference is something that buyers like me have to take into consideration, but I would have preferred to work through how I feel about both bikes instead of being in a situation where only the Ducati bike, in North America, is competitive.

I'm not sure I really understand your quandary.  If you want to know what a V7 feels like, go ride one.  The -II has upgrades that are nice, but the bike will not be dramatically different to ride from the current bikes.  It's not like you'll be testing the ABS on your test ride.

-New lower frame rails that rotate the engine forward and slightly lower the footpegs.
-ABS
-a 6th gear.

Have you ridden a current V7 Stone/Special/Racer? 

[redge]

I'm not sure I really understand your quandary.  If you want to know what a V7 feels like, go ride one.  The -II has upgrades that are nice, but the bike will not be dramatically different to ride from the current bikes.  It's not like you'll be testing the ABS on your test ride.

-New lower frame rails that rotate the engine forward and slightly lower the footpegs.
-ABS
-a 6th gear.

Have you ridden a current V7 Stone/Special/Racer?  

What's not to understand?

I consider ABS as essential.

Yes, I'd buy a V7 if I could get a delivery date, but Piaggio is not prepared to provide one.

Ducati (and for that matter Triumph) will provide a delivery date.

And yes, I'd like to see how what I understand to be changes to the V7 II impact how someone of my height seats the bike.

[rocker59]

What's not to understand?

I consider ABS as essential.

Yes, I'd buy a V7 if I could get a delivery date, but Piaggio is not prepared to provide one.

Ducati will provide a delivery date.

You missed my point, which was go ride a current V7 Stone/Special/Racer.  See if it's even in the ballpark of something you'd like to ride.

You may be able to rule it out quickly if you don't like the bike's personality or feel.  Or, you may love it, thus making the wait for the ABS version worth it...

You will not be testing the ABS on a dealership test ride.  You don't have to test ride an ABS equipped bike to know if you'll like the bike...

[redge]

You missed my point, which was go ride a current V7 Stone/Special/Racer.  See if it's even in the ballpark of something you'd like to ride.

You may be able to rule it out quickly if you don't like the bike's personality or feel.  Or, you may love it, thus making the wait for the ABS version worth it...

You will not be testing the ABS on a dealership test ride.  You don't have to test ride an ABS equipped bike to know if you'll like the bike...

Excuse me? Sorry, but you have made a hugely erroneous assumption. I've ridden the bike, both in North America and Italy, where I spend a good deal of time.

[rocker59]

Excuse me? Sorry, but you have made a hugely erroneous assumption. I've ridden the bike, both in North America and Italy, where I spend a good deal of time.

Did you like it?

What things about the V7 did you not like?  (other than the lack of ABS)

[redge]

Did you like it?

What things about the V7 did you not like?  (other than the lack of ABS)

I think that I need to make myself clear, although I thought that I had already done so.

If Moto Guzzi said that an ABS V7 was available in North America tomorrow, I'd buy one.

Moto Guzzi is not only not saying that, it is not saying anything about when its ABS version will be available.

Meanwhile, Ducati is on top of both the styling issue and the ABS issue, and on the face of it is going to kill Moto Guzzi V7 sales in North America (and probably elsewhere) over the next year.

I think that Moto Guzzi V7 sales are dead in North America until the company deals with the
Scrambler and, in particular, offers ABS.

[rocker59]

I think that I need to make myself clear, although I thought that I had already done so.

If Moto Guzzi said that an ABS V7 was available in North America tomorrow, I'd buy one.

Moto Guzzi is not only not saying that, it is not saying anything about when its ABS version will be available.

Meanwhile, Ducati is on top of both the styling issue and the ABS issue, and on the face of it is going to kill Moto Guzzi V7 sales in North America (and probably elsewhere) over the next year.

For sure, Moto Guzzi V7 sales are dead in North America until the company deals with the
Scrambler and, in particular, offers ABS.

For sure, you have no flipping idea what you're going on about!  What a waste of band width.

The 2015 V7-II will not be available in the USA.  The V7-II will be available in the USA sometime in mid- to late-2015 as a 2016 model.

Go wave your Scrambler flag at Ducati.ms



 

[redge]

For sure, you have no flipping idea what you're going on about!  What a waste of band width.

The 2015 V7-II will not be available in the USA.  The V7-II will be available in the USA sometime in mid- to late-2015 as a 2016 model.

Go wave your Scrambler flag at Ducati.ms

Actually, I do know. Among other things, I know that the projection for the Moto Guzzi V7s in North America is as unclear as your own post says,

Lord knows why your response would be "Go wave your Scrambler flag at Ducati.ms".

[redge]

For sure, you have no flipping idea what you're going on about!  What a waste of band width.

The 2015 V7-II will not be available in the USA.  The V7-II will be available in the USA sometime in mid- to late-2015 as a 2016 model.

Go wave your Scrambler flag at Ducati.ms

Just discovered that you have decided, as a moderator of this forum, to overtly attack me on everything that I have said on this site.

I've got the message.

[Demar]

Meanwhile, Ducati is on top of both the styling issue and the ABS issue, and on the face of it is going to kill Moto Guzzi V7 sales in North America (and probably elsewhere) over the next year.

I think that Moto Guzzi V7 sales are dead in North America until the company deals with the
Scrambler and, in particular, offers ABS.

I also want a scrambler. I was high on the Ducati Scrambler until I saw it in person Nov 1st at the San Mateo Motorcycle show. It looked cheap and plastic to me. It convinced me to look elsewhere. I had high hopes for it as it meets the power, performance and cost targets. I "think" I'd rather have the MG Scrambler but I won't know for sure until I see one in person.  

Not everyone who wants a V7 wants a Scrambler. Maybe part of MG's strategy is to be vague intentionally to *NOT* kill V7 sales in the US. Yea, you could wait to buy a new V7II but, if you don't want to wait 9 months, you can buy a current V7.

[redge]

I also want a scrambler. I was high on the Ducati Scrambler until I saw it in person Nov 1st at the San Mateo Motorcycle show. It looked cheap and plastic to me. It convinced me to look elsewhere. I had high hopes for it as it meets the power, performance and cost targets. I "think" I'd rather have the MG Scrambler but I won't know for sure until I see one in person.  

Not everyone who wants a V7 wants a Scrambler. Maybe part of MG's strategy is to be vague intentionally to *NOT* kill V7 sales in the US. Yea, you could wait to buy a new V7II but, if you don't want to wait 9 months, you can buy a current V7.

Hi Demar,

I empathize a lot with where you are coming from but the reality for me is twofold: (a) I want Moto Guzzi to say when its ABS bikes will be available in North America and (b) if it won't, I'll buy someone else's bike.

I think that Moto Guzzi is fully aware of the fact that its sales in North America are dismal and also that Ducati's worldwide public relations campaign behind the Scrambler is going to kill the V7 unless Moto Guzzi responds.

[Dean Rose]

Hi Demar,

I empathize a lot with where you are coming from but the reality for me is twofold: (a) I want Moto Guzzi to say when its ABS bikes will be available in North America and (b) if it won't, I'll buy someone else's bike.

I think that Moto Guzzi is fully aware of the fact that its sales in North America are dismal and also that Ducati's worldwide public relations campaign behind the Scrambler is going to kill the V7 unless Moto Guzzi responds.

Moto Guzzi really doesn't care about the USA market, get over it.


Dean

[Cam3512]

A Ducati Scrambler will not kill the Guzzi V7 any more than the Triumph Scrambler has (not).  And I'm confident losing YOU as a buyer will not break Moto Guzzi.  Not everyone has an "ABS Scrambler" as a mandatory requirement to ride a motorcycle.  I'm perfectly happy with my '14 Special.

[Unkept]

I think that I need to make myself clear, although I thought that I had already done so.

I've been confused this whole thread.  :BEER:

If Moto Guzzi said that an ABS V7 was available in North America tomorrow, I'd buy one.

Are you terminally ill? If so, my condolences... otherwise you could *wait* until it's available if the V7II really is the bike you wanted... I would.

Moto Guzzi is not only not saying that, it is not saying anything about when its ABS version will be available.

*cough* Piaggio *cough*...

Meanwhile, Ducati is on top of both the styling issue and the ABS issue, and on the face of it is going to kill Moto Guzzi V7 sales in North America (and probably elsewhere) over the next year.

Style is subjective. I think the Scrambler is possibly one of the worst looking bikes Ducati has recently built... at first I really wanted to like it too. :(

ABS is an issue and a non-issue for some. Like yourself, I would probably be inclined to pick up an ABS bike... as long as you can switch it to off.

I highly doubt the Ducati Scrambler will kill Guzzi sales. People who want bikes from Ducati may already dismiss Guzzi because they are too slow and not in Moto GP...

I think that Moto Guzzi V7 sales are dead in North America until the company deals with the
Scrambler and, in particular, offers ABS.

What you think and what will happen have not proven to be the same thing... perhaps you are right? The fact of the matter is though that Guzzi *is* addressing the Scrambler styling desire, and ABS...
The only thing they haven't done for you is offer a concrete delivery date, and in my world those 6 months or so of uncertainty are not a valid concern... I can wait for the cake I want (V7 II) and pass on the snack offered early (Ducati Scrambler).

Also... I think you simply frustrated Rocker, because his whole point was if you like the V7 you should just get the bike you want... regardless over the vague timeline for release.

Added: Also the Guzzi has some advantages over the Scrambler in some people's eyes... some not all would prefer the Italian bike still made in Italy (Guzzi), or the low maintenance aspects of final drives and exposed cylinder heads (Guzzi)... Or maybe the larger tank? (Guzzi), and potentially more luggage capacity from a stronger and larger frame? (Guzzi)... or the older heritage of the brand (Guzzi)... and on, and on...

-Joe

[Kev m]

I don't understand why the whole f'n world doesn't revolve around ME. I want what I want, when I want it....>:(

</sarcasm>

Wtf? My 3 year old has a better grasp on this than the op.

News flash, it's not all about you.

Yes, Piaggio, isn't clear about US release dates.

Yes, that can be frustrating as a US customer.

Of course we seem to only represent 10-20% of worldwide Guzzi sales, so maybe some of that is understandable, if crappy.

That frustration would be a crappy reason to NOT buy what you want.

Of course if you prefer the Ducati, then no worries, and no reason to bitch.

[fotoguzzi]

Duck?  or Goose?

[Dogwalker]

Yeah , well , we wouldn't want Guzzi to get overwhelmed with orders  ::) :D

And that's the main reason US introduction of new models is delayed.
The months immediatly preceding and following the launch of a new model are extremely busy for the production line. To dealy part of them means to be able to deal with it with the existing labour force.

[tiger_one]

Lots of threads get like this every year when it snows most people in, even happened on hunting forums years ago.  People stuck home, can't ride, or whatever they usually do to consume time and energy.

On the ABS point, they are not all the same.  Take the R1150GS for instance, it will send you through an intersection with studder bumps, also on gravel and dirt, doesn't work.  Super Tenere and KTM, ABS (and TC) works very transparently on dirt or bumps or whatever!

I doubt anyone is going to worry if the ABS works offroad on the V7 II or Scrambler, but if you want to really know then you will have to test ride it.  Doesn't take but a minute to get in a gravel area and hit the front brake to find out if the ABS works (stops without locking). 

[pyoungbl]

The current V7 line is a big seller (relatively) for Guzzi, both in the USA and worldwide.  It is only reasonable to sell down inventory of the current bikes before bringing in the V7 II.  Announcing a delivery date for the new bikes sounds like a great way to screw dealers who have the current bikes on the floor.  Guzzi is offering incentives on the V7 right now.  When they are mostly gone you will start to see the new stuff, not before.  Other than the 6 speed transmission and ABS this is not a huge change to the machine so it should be relatively easy to morph production as needed.  I'm very happy with my '13 V7 so, much as I would like ABS, I'm not going to beating up my dealer to chase the V7 II any time soon.  As for the Ducati Scrambler, cute bike and hopefully a big success for Ducati.  Other than the name there is very little in common between the Monster line and the V7 line.  I can't see how sales of one could have an impact on the other.  Having owned 4 Ducati' I'm no stranger to the breed and can say that the riding and ownership experience it totally different from that of a Guzzi.  Not better, different.

Peter Y.

[blackcat]

 Not better, different.

Peter Y.

"Valve clearance check:12,000 km (7,500 m)"

What does that cost?

[Matteo]

I sat on the Ducati Scrambler at the Seattle show, I wouldn't mind having one but as Unkempt pointed out, tank size and maintenance ease make the V7 my choice. I don't mind waiting a little longer for abs and a six speed.
My 2 lira.

[lucydad]

What Dusty, Rocker and Kev said.... :BEER:

[bad Chad]

"No dam you, Piaggio must kneel before I"   :D :D ;)


Seriously though, CycleWorld says they will be here in late spring, what more do you want?