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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2014, 11:31:25 PM »
I am speechless...

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2014, 11:47:31 PM »
I am speechless...

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2014, 12:17:52 AM »
A member of the "White Plates" , cool  ;-T

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I don't know what "White Plates" refers to, but I did notice the entire audience seemed to be white as a bed sheet.   Looks like a very Red Neck party. 
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2014, 12:23:31 AM »
I don't know what "White Plates" refers to, but I did notice the entire audience seemed to be white as a bed sheet.   Looks like a very Red Neck party. 

Our boy Ralph was a "white plate" flat tracker , raced with the big boys  ;-T

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2014, 10:51:33 AM »
Hmm,

Rent a Harley, with their full coverage insurance and go flat trackin'.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2014, 08:28:32 PM »
A member of the "White Plates" , cool  ;-T

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Right on, Dusty.  I am a Charter Member, White Plate Flat Trackers Association.  (Pre-1970 White Plate holders.)  There was very little money in professional motorcycle racing and we lived a somewhat hardscrabble existence. After 1970, the Japanese factories poured wall-to-wall money into racing and racers no longer traveled in old delivery vans or sedans pulling trailers or slept at the track. I had to end racing after several months in hospital on two occasions.  I still miss it almost 50 years later.  It really gets to you at that level.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2014, 08:35:32 PM »
Pro racing was very strictly regulated.  One had to have "sportsman" (non-professional) experience prior to applying for a Novice (green number plates) license.  If the rider won or placed high enough to amass 20 points (a win was 5 points, 2d 3, 3d 2 and 4th1) he would advance to "Amateur" (actually a journeyman professional) status (Yellow number plates).  If the rider then won or placed high enough to amass 40 points, the following year and thereafter he was classified an Expert and rode with white number plates.  Novices got 15% of the purse; Amateurs got 25% and Experts competed for 60% of the purse.  Some purses were for as little as $300 back in the early-mid 1960s so it was a good thing gas was cheap or we'd never have gotten home!

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2014, 10:12:44 PM »
Ralph ,
Your name always rang a bell with me , just couldn't quite figure out why , then yesterday it all came clear . Have followed flat track and the old class C racing since the mid 60's , yeah , was just a pup , but even then it stirred my blood . Nixon , Romero , Mann , were heroes to me , and now so are you . Well met and kudos to you Sir  ;-T

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2014, 10:56:27 PM »
Ralph ,
Your name always rang a bell with me , just couldn't quite figure out why , then yesterday it all came clear . Have followed flat track and the old class C racing since the mid 60's , yeah , was just a pup , but even then it stirred my blood . Nixon , Romero , Mann , were heroes to me , and now so are you . Well met and kudos to you Sir  ;-T

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I rode out of the same Triumph shop with Gary in 1965.  He was a factory rider, top of the heap.  I was a Junior at that time, set to advance to Expert in 1966.  I was always in awe of him, for good reason.  Gary did not suffer fools easily.  I remained silent and out of his way.  The top Experts were from another planet.  The things they could do with a motorcycle....and make it look so easy!
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2014, 11:12:30 PM »
I rode out of the same Triumph shop with Gary in 1965.  He was a factory rider, top of the heap.  I was a Junior at that time, set to advance to Expert in 1966.  I was always in awe of him, for good reason.  Gary did not suffer fools easily.  I remained silent and out of his way.  The top Experts were from another planet.  The things they could do with a motorcycle....and make it look so easy!

True about the other planet thing . However if you qualified for an expert plate , that tells me that you were no slouch . Kind of like being in the NBA , the guy sitting at the end of the bench is still one hell of a basketball player.
Us mere mortals never get the chance to even sit on the bench . A friend of mine , John Jeffries , rode the national circuit as a Junior in the late 60's early 70's , and recently won a couple of VDTRA 500 CC national titles . Tells some funny stories about Gary .

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2014, 06:50:58 AM »
I believe that Roland Sands used to run AMA 250 GP back in the day when I was running Pro-Twins...

I love this video, I'd love to do it if my left ankle wasn't junk. However I wouldn't take my 2013 Harley Road King. But the risk is huge, early in the video, that one fellow heads straight for the unprotected wall. All that said, everyone has the right to do stupid sh*t... Only question is, is this a worthy cause? Who are we to speak for another? Short of war to protect ones family, is any endeavor that gets you off the couch worth the risk? Is risk a fair trade for entertainment. Look around you. Don't all of us here ride motorcycles? You do know how it can turn to total poop in a nano-second despite your best attempts, no?

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2014, 07:14:18 AM »
I believe that Roland Sands used to run AMA 250 GP back in the day when I was running Pro-Twins...

I love this video, I'd love to do it if my left ankle wasn't junk. However I wouldn't take my 2013 Harley Road King. But the risk is huge, early in the video, that one fellow heads straight for the unprotected wall. All that said, everyone has the right to do stupid sh*t... Only question is, is this a worthy cause? Who are we to speak for another? Short of war to protect ones family, is any endeavor that gets you off the couch worth the risk? Is risk a fair trade for entertainment. Look around you. Don't all of us here ride motorcycles? You do know how it can turn to total poop in a nano-second despite your best attempts, no?

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2014, 08:00:34 AM »
I believe that Roland Sands used to run AMA 250 GP back in the day when I was running Pro-Twins...

I love this video, I'd love to do it if my left ankle wasn't junk. However I wouldn't take my 2013 Harley Road King. But the risk is huge, early in the video, that one fellow heads straight for the unprotected wall. All that said, everyone has the right to do stupid sh*t... Only question is, is this a worthy cause? Who are we to speak for another? Short of war to protect ones family, is any endeavor that gets you off the couch worth the risk? Is risk a fair trade for entertainment. Look around you. Don't all of us here ride motorcycles? You do know how it can turn to total poop in a nano-second despite your best attempts, no?

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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2014, 09:12:45 AM »
Yeah , but you have to admit some of these guys are just silly  :D

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2014, 09:52:03 AM »
Yeah , but you have to admit some of these guys are just silly  :D

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they are silly, however it is their right.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2014, 12:39:53 PM »
they are silly, however it is their right.

As it is for all of us , which is fortunate for me  :D

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2014, 12:46:23 PM »
What scares me is that they ride the roads also.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2014, 12:50:18 PM »
After they eliminated all the first corner crashers there were a couple of good riders. But......what were they thinking...flat track the bike you rode there.  ??? Some will need to truck them home.

Not really a problem, since they were all probably trailered there anyway!   ~;
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2014, 12:52:46 PM »
Reminds me of one of my Granny's favorite sayings, "Fun for the feeble-minded..."
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2014, 03:01:25 PM »
I rode out of the same Triumph shop with Gary in 1965.  He was a factory rider, top of the heap.  I was a Junior at that time, set to advance to Expert in 1966.  I was always in awe of him, for good reason.  Gary did not suffer fools easily.  I remained silent and out of his way.  The top Experts were from another planet.  The things they could do with a motorcycle....and make it look so easy!

Did you ride in the East Ralph? I worked for a BSA dealer in the late 50s early 60s. Davy Jones tuned my Triumph (a road bike) since he was friends with the dealer (Joe DiSimone). I'm fairly certain that he tuned for Gary.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2014, 03:33:33 PM »
Nixon was another Okie that left for a better opportunity , he lived and raced out of Baltimore . Never met the man , but Dick Mann spoke highly of him , enough for me .

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2014, 08:30:02 PM »
Teddy Roosevelt -
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

Pretty sure Teddy Roosevelt wasn't speaking to a bunch of bozo's with sleeveless T-shirts and skid-lids.

Darwin, maybe...

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »
I believe that Roland Sands used to run AMA 250 GP back in the day when I was running Pro-Twins...

I love this video, I'd love to do it if my left ankle wasn't junk. However I wouldn't take my 2013 Harley Road King. But the risk is huge, early in the video, that one fellow heads straight for the unprotected wall. All that said, everyone has the right to do stupid sh*t... Only question is, is this a worthy cause? Who are we to speak for another? Short of war to protect ones family, is any endeavor that gets you off the couch worth the risk? Is risk a fair trade for entertainment. Look around you. Don't all of us here ride motorcycles? You do know how it can turn to total poop in a nano-second despite your best attempts, no?

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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2014, 08:51:39 PM »
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2014, 10:06:26 PM »
Nixon was another Okie that left for a better opportunity , he lived and raced out of Baltimore . Never met the man , but Dick Mann spoke highly of him , enough for me .

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2014, 10:08:22 PM »
That's entertainment!  If they'd only play that Bennie Hill -Yakety'sax - it would be as good as a monkey in a cowboy costume riding a border collie at the rodeo.



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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2014, 10:21:18 PM »
the closest I'll come to being fast (the really fast guys always seem so short)...


 :D :D :D :D :D :D

 Deke , the only fast big guy that I have ever met is Dave Roper  :D Yeah , Dick Mann , KR , even Jeff Smith, are vertically challenged , not to mention some of the 5 ft nothing guys in MX  :o
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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2014, 10:22:21 PM »
I really pity most of the old guys who are now regretting not living when they were young. Some I do not pity.

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Re: Harley (Cruiser) Flat Track Racing, What could possibly go wrong? (NGC)
« Reply #58 on: January 01, 2015, 01:09:41 AM »
Did you ride in the East Ralph? I worked for a BSA dealer in the late 50s early 60s. Davy Jones tuned my Triumph (a road bike) since he was friends with the dealer (Joe DiSimone). I'm fairly certain that he tuned for Gary.

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« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2015, 06:36:13 AM »
That's entertainment!  If they'd only play that Bennie Hill -Yakety'sax - it would be as good as a monkey in a cowboy costume riding a border collie at the rodeo.





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