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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2015, 07:46:07 AM »
"Why can't we ever just factually examine the strengths and weaknesses of different bikes without someone taking it personally and getting all wadded up on some level."
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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2015, 08:00:26 AM »
I feel the same way.  Although I really respect Miguel Galluzzi as a designer, so far his work at Guzzi has left me wanting.  The rear fender and tail light on the Cal 14 just doesn't appeal to me at all.  Don't really care for the headlight, either.  I do like that they are going back to a round headlight on the Audace version of the Cal 14.  This is hard for me to say, but I almost long for Luciano Marabese's hand and the Bassa/Special/Late EV fender and tail light design.




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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2015, 09:20:19 AM »
     If by any stretch of the imagination anyone can come away and think the California 1400 is not a superior bike to a Harley they have never owned a Harley.   

I suppose a definition of "superior" is in order.  From a Harley owner's point of view.  I think you will find that he does not use a spec sheet or the performance numbers listed at the back of Motorcyclist Magazine.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2015, 09:27:35 AM »
I suppose a definition of "superior" is in order.  From a Harley owner's point of view.  I think you will find that he does not use a spec sheet or the performance numbers listed at the back of Motorcyclist Magazine.

I SUSPECT that's true of the majority of both brand owners, perhaps with a higher percentage true of Harley owners. I'd wager a guess though that even of those who buy the Cali 1400 there's a higher percentage of those riders who don't approach the performance limits of the machine than say percentage of Griso or V11 Sport owners.

Anecdotal story - Back in PA we had a number of high single lane bridges. One that I frequented because it was not only close to our house but directly on the path we often took to various family, social, household errands, was particularly tall with sharp angles of approach and dissent. As such you had to slow down maybe 100 yards on each side and watch the last of the road on the other side that you could still SEE to make sure no-one approached as you waited a few seconds to also make sure no-one appeared suddenly on the bridge that might have been in the blind spot as you approached.

I was doing this one day with the family in the Scoobie-Wagon when an FLH decided he didn't want or need to slow down or wait. He blasted around me on the left, went full throttle at the bridge ramp and actually managed to launch the entire front end into a massive wheelie that only came crashing down almost halfway across the bridge.

I followed as soon as I was sure the way was clear and throttled up to try and keep him in sight, but a few turns and one longer straight-away and he was pretty much gone.

They're out there... but rare in both breeds.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2015, 10:37:14 AM »
OK, so I might be a bit predigest and a little overly simplistic but, after 40 bikes and 51 years of ridding (currently 25-30000 a year) I don't think there is a prettier bike than the red and white 2001 EV (that I own along with a 2010 Stelvio and a 2012 Gold Wing)and the white Jackal. of the 3 the EV is still the one I get on first. Stelvio is second but most of the time only because it has the small gas tank. It is a fantastic bike but a bit tall for me. the wing is reserved for cold days or the month long 10000 mile trips. it is by far the cheapest to run for all maintenance costs. also 3 years unlimited mileage and towing warranty is hard to beat.
that being said I loved the engine and six speed in the new California but I already own one way to heavy and big motorcycle. I don't need another. with a progressive front end on the wing IT HANDLES!
had I designed the new Calli it would look like the EV and have the current Gold Wing tires. they handle, and last. cheap too. it would have the ground clearance and handling of the wing and not break 600 LBS.
they built the current Calli to go after Harley and forgot everybody else is thinking the same thing and doing poorly at it. I for one wish they had built a bike for the loyal Guzzi crowd. the old saying still holds true. "do what you do do well"
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2015, 10:57:47 AM »
I for one wish they had built a bike for the loyal Guzzi crowd. the old saying still holds true. "do what you do do well"

But in that case, Nokia would still be making galoshes and Nintendo would still be making playing cards. You go where the market--ie, the customers and their money--takes you.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2015, 11:00:39 AM »
The loyal Guzzi crowd, by and large, is old and dying off. Better to try and attract a newer younger crowd, perhaps one that does not make a nickel scream so much when squeezed.

If we want Guzzi to be around a bit longer, they need to go for a larger demographic.

I happen to like the looks of the 1400, but that does not really matter, there are lots of machines out there much more popular that younger folks find attractive and I think was hit, very hard, with an ugly stick. It's very subjective and I see no reason why we should all be attracted to the same thing. Where is the fun in that? :)
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2015, 11:00:43 AM »

Why can't we ever just factually examine the strengths and weaknesses of different bikes without someone taking it personally and getting all wadded up on some level.

PS this is the internet; we're all supposed to be thoughtless, grouchy, pedantic, and self-absorbed. Not that anyone here is ever that way, including me.

(See, I dared to use an Oxford Comma in violation of AP journalism standards, which will start another thread...)
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2015, 11:07:20 AM »
But in that case, Nokia would still be making galoshes and Nintendo would still be making playing cards. You go where the market--ie, the customers and their money--takes you.


I THINK they tried (to some extent) to do BOTH.

And I think they succeeded to some extent too.

I'm just frickin' picky about my bikes. I like what I like, and I don't like to compromise.

I like A LOT about the Cali, BUT:

I wish it looked a little more traditional (the Eldo takes care of a lot of that - headlight, tail-light, rear fender, but I don't like spokes, so that's a problem).

I wish it had a more reasonable size rear tire.

I wish it was physically a little smaller/lighter, but I realize if it was too much so it would fail at the primary purpose of chasing the Harley FLH/Dyna crowd.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2015, 11:13:28 AM »
PS this is the internet; we're all supposed to be thoughtless, grouchy, pedantic, and self-absorbed. Not that anyone here is ever that way, including me.

(See, I dared to use an Oxford Comma in violation of AP journalism standards, which will start another thread...)

Well, the Oxford Comma CAN be very important.

Like if you leave all your money to be split evenly between John, Jeanette and Joseph, as opposed to between John, Jeanette, and Joseph.

If the first case John could sue, and win, 50% while the other two get only 25% each, while in the second case they each get 1/3.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2015, 11:56:04 AM »
The loyal Guzzi crowd, by and large, is old and dying off. Better to try and attract a newer younger crowd, perhaps one that does not make a nickel scream so much when squeezed.

If we want Guzzi to be around a bit longer, they need to go for a larger demographic.

I happen to like the looks of the 1400, but that does not really matter, there are lots of machines out there much more popular that younger folks find attractive and I think was hit, very hard, with an ugly stick. It's very subjective and I see no reason why we should all be attracted to the same thing. Where is the fun in that? :)


I could not agree more , that's why Moto guzzi needs a sportier bike to replace the V11 sport/1100 sport , needs a V7 with some "balls" , young kids like go fast ... or a little bit more that the actual v7 . then it needs a "smaller lighter enduro , and a touring machine ( norge is getting old ).

But then AGAIN : Piaggio want to sell Aprilias ( especially now that are in Moto GP )
do you want a sportier bike ? get an Aprilia
do you want a lighter enduro ? get an aprilia
Do you want a middle bike faster that the V7 ? again.... get an aprilia.

And Guzzi ?

Guzzi , who cares ... thats for old farts ( no offence to anyone )

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forgot to mention: every Aprilia comes with ABS ( for those one that get a*al about it )
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2015, 12:07:05 PM »
all this 1400 talk is jonesing me again.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2015, 08:31:02 PM »
The loyal Guzzi crowd, by and large, is old and dying off. Better to try and attract a newer younger crowd, perhaps one that does not make a nickel scream so much when squeezed.

If we want Guzzi to be around a bit longer, they need to go for a larger demographic.

I happen to like the looks of the 1400, but that does not really matter, there are lots of machines out there much more popular that younger folks find attractive and I think was hit, very hard, with an ugly stick. It's very subjective and I see no reason why we should all be attracted to the same thing. Where is the fun in that? :)

Well said. I on the other hand think the California 1400 is gorgeous.  Design is somewhat subjective but there is a flow to the lines of the bike that does not disappoint from any angle. Thinking of the bike as art and looking  from the front and sides and from above and directly from the rear all the lines blend and work together.  The pictures of the new Eldorado look good to me also for the same reason.  Harleys have this thought out design also.  I also think when a design breaks new ground it may take awhile for some to accept. I can remember when I first saw a Ducati Monster, God I thought it was disgusting.  The only thing that changed was time and I have grown to actually appreciate the Monster for what it is, looks and all.  (Never thought the 1400 Cali was hideous.)
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #73 on: January 30, 2015, 09:28:34 PM »
The loyal Guzzi crowd, by and large, is old and dying off. Better to try and attract a newer younger crowd, perhaps one that does not make a nickel scream so much when squeezed.

If we want Guzzi to be around a bit longer, they need to go for a larger demographic.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2015, 02:03:04 PM »
"they built the current Calli to go after Harley and forgot everybody else is thinking the same thing and doing poorly at it. I for one wish they had built a bike for the loyal Guzzi crowd. the old saying still holds true. "do what you do do well""

They built it to go after the cruiser market, which is the largest segment by far. If they were going after Harley specifically they would would have targeted the fairing wearing HDs which are their best sellers by far. I believe the street glide is no. UNO.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2015, 12:44:43 AM »
Would I buy the Cali again??  Absolutely,unhesitatingly, without a doubt yes. I love the bike

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2015, 01:03:43 AM »




This, apart from the fact he's skinny, is a doppelgänger of me.

Do I want Guzzi to decay into the past? F*ck no!

They may not be the most powerful or cutting edge but they are a viable alternative to most other offerings on the market.

On the Cali? I'd like to return to this after I've read a few more of the responses.

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Re: Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2015, 03:30:14 AM »
"they built the current Calli to go after Harley and forgot everybody else is thinking the same thing and doing poorly at it. I for one wish they had built a bike for the loyal Guzzi crowd. the old saying still holds true. "do what you do do well""

They built it to go after the cruiser market, which is the largest segment by far. If they were going after Harley specifically they would would have targeted the fairing wearing HDs which are their best sellers by far. I believe the street glide is no. UNO.
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Since Harley is 50℅ of the US street bike  market, and in most people's minds the definition of the cruiser market, if the Cali is going after the cruiser market it is defacto going right after the Harley market.

Yes the FLH is the best selling model line for Harley, representing something like 75k bikes per year and MOST of them (except the also popular Road King) have a fairing. But the majority of the 250k bikes they produce a year do not.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2015, 05:10:06 AM »
Yes, I would buy my Touring again.
I have upgraded the suspension, seat and exhausts and added the 60 litre top case. I pre-emptively fitted Todd's replacement exhaust crossover.
It tours beautifully. I only have 9,000km up, mostly two up, but I don't find it quirky at all. Handling is neutral, torque generous and brakes fabulous.
There is no vibration, it loves corners and my limited riding on unsealed roads, including 'ball bearing gravel' was straightforward.

In 2013 I shipped my 1200GS to Europe for 3 months riding in the Alps, South of France and Spain. The 1400 replaced the GS after 100,000km.
In 2017, after the 1400 has proven itself for a few years, I plan to ship it to Europe for another 3 month tour. So far, the 1400 gives every indication of being up for it.
I live 415km (250miles) from the nearest Guzzi dealer.
For the 10 years I owned my GS I was that distance from the nearest BMW dealer.
It has never bothered me.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2015, 01:14:32 PM »
I would buy my Mercury Gray Custom again in a heartbeat.  Fits me just right, and like all the other Guzzis I have owned, can do pretty much ALL maintenance myself.
Guzzi's leather covered hardbags and flyscreen, and adjustments to the rear shocks made it the perfect "bagger" for me.

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« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2015, 07:30:07 PM »
Would I buy my 1400 Touring again?  You bet. As a matter of fact I just did.  A good deal on a used one allowed me to get one for the other location I spend part of the year at.  I'll have to sell several of my other Guzzis to cover the purchase but so be it. I love these bikes. Lower factory gel seat makes it perfect for me.
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #81 on: February 01, 2015, 10:53:40 PM »
Vasco and some others may get a kick out of some adventures from Rollin. This one link gets you an idea of what can be done on a big heavy "touring" bike.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24864342#post24864342

Where there's a will, there's a way. Regardless of what the engineers and designers originally had in mind. Rollin has many Iron Butt awards and most of them involved dirt roads better suited for a much different bike.

Could these rides be done on the California 1400? I don't see why not. When I was watching Long Way Round I kept wondering why they didn't choose the Guzzi Stelvio instead of the BMW.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2015, 12:13:52 AM »
I never meant to imply you couldn't ride one in dirt. Simply that it is horrible! If you're into masochism? Be my guest! :D

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2015, 01:18:29 AM »
Vasco and some others may get a kick out of some adventures from Rollin. This one link gets you an idea of what can be done on a big heavy "touring" bike.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24864342#post24864342

Where there's a will, there's a way. Regardless of what the engineers and designers originally had in mind. Rollin has many Iron Butt awards and most of them involved dirt roads better suited for a much different bike.

Could these rides be done on the California 1400? I don't see why not. When I was watching Long Way Round I kept wondering why they didn't choose the Guzzi Stelvio instead of the BMW.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2015, 06:41:22 AM »
Since you're asking, yes, I would buy my '04 Stone again over any newer Cali.   :BEER:
Still waiting here for that 8V Cali 1200 at about the same weight as my older one and standard pegs.  Yeah, I know.  Shut yr complaining. 

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2015, 08:02:26 AM »
Since you're asking, yes, I would buy my '04 Stone again over any newer Cali.   :BEER:
Still waiting here for that 8V Cali 1200 at about the same weight as my older one and standard pegs.  Yeah, I know.  Shut yr complaining.  

Yeah.  There is now a pretty good sized gap between the 400lbs 750 line and the 700lbs 1400 line.

Plenty of room in there for a 500lbs sporty retro standard.

How 'bout a new 1100 8V that sports an 850 bottom end and a 1400 top end ?   ~;
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2015, 05:21:20 PM »
I love my '04 Stone, and have no plans to part with it.  That said, the seat is too short to comfortably fit both the missus and I.  (My custom 'flat' seat is built on an OEM  pan, because I found the original seat-to-footpeg angle too acute, and I was too close to the tank - it felt as if the family jewels were resting on the tank.)  So, it's a solo bike.
We want one so's I can take her with me.  We both fit, comfortably, on the 1400; the problem is accessories.  So far they've not been available. so my dealer says, here in Rhode Island. 
I saw a picture on-line of the new 2015 Tourer, and in the pictures it has a sissy-bar.  My dealer, again, says that that is just a picture, the sissy bar is not available.  I understand they want to move the 2014 model they have in the showroom, but I'm not averse to ordering new and waiting for it.

So - accessories.  Are they available,and from whom?

I also like the tail-light assembly and spokes of the new Eldo, and hate the "alien eye" of the Cali - so, I, too, want the headlight of the Audace with the tail-light and wheels of the Eldo. 

Why can't we mix and match the parts we want to create the looks we want? 

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #87 on: February 03, 2015, 05:56:47 PM »
AF1Racing has an excellent selection of California 1400 accessories. There may be better/cheaper/etc out there, but that's my go-to page for what's new.
And yes, they have a sissy bar (but not from Guzzi, I think it's a Hepco & Becker?)
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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #88 on: February 03, 2015, 06:05:05 PM »
Might be a little strange looking, but I've never had a headlight on a bike as bright as the one on my 1400. The daytime led's are terrific as well. In this case I guess it's function over form. Now the griso headlight is a different story. Especially if you compare it to the cali.

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Re: California 1400 Owners, would you buy it again?
« Reply #89 on: February 03, 2015, 06:10:57 PM »
I love my '04 Stone, and have no plans to part with it.  That said, the seat is too short to comfortably fit both the missus and I.  (My custom 'flat' seat is built on an OEM  pan, because I found the original seat-to-footpeg angle too acute, and I was too close to the tank - it felt as if the family jewels were resting on the tank.)  So, it's a solo bike.
We want one so's I can take her with me.  We both fit, comfortably, on the 1400; the problem is accessories.  So far they've not been available. so my dealer says, here in Rhode Island.  
I saw a picture on-line of the new 2015 Tourer, and in the pictures it has a sissy-bar.  My dealer, again, says that that is just a picture, the sissy bar is not available.  I understand they want to move the 2014 model they have in the showroom, but I'm not averse to ordering new and waiting for it.

So - accessories.  Are they available,and from whom?

I also like the tail-light assembly and spokes of the new Eldo, and hate the "alien eye" of the Cali - so, I, too, want the headlight of the Audace with the tail-light and wheels of the Eldo.  

Why can't we mix and match the parts we want to create the looks we want?  

Accessories are out there.  Unfortunately, your dealer is going to let you spend that money elsewhere.

AF1racing Cal 14 main page:  
http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=2694

Harper's Cal 14 search page:  
http://www.harpermoto.com/?subcats=Y&status=A&pshort=N&pfull=N&pname=Y&pkeywords=Y&search_performed=Y&q=california+1400&dispatch=products.search

Then, you can always order from Europe.  Agostini's in Mandello is a good source.  
http://www.agostinimandello.com/index.php



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