Vibration

[normzone]

I'm in 4th on the SoCal freeways, if I got past 80, then I'll get into 5th. Shiiiiiite, I've hit an indicated 70 in 2nd gear. But I'm not the best role model.

Yeah, that's exactly how I ride mine. Around town, usually second gear up to 55, then occasionally into third. It takes some retraining to learn what the motor / trans likes.

[LowRyter]

I'd have to stay in 4th gear to keep it at 4k at 70.

yeah.  you don't shift to 5th until you're doing an indicated 80 (which is about real world 70)   :beat_horse


I am not sure why this has to be said time and time again.  YOU DON'T LUG A GUZZI.  I really don't get this.  It's a matter of feel, you ride a bike, redline it and learn where the power comes on.  It shouldn't take more than a couple of rides to do that regardless of the motorcycle.  Saying that 2300 is a sweet spot is just plain silly.  Let me repeat: YOU DON'T LUG A GUZZI.

Now if you ridden the bike like everyone here recommends - keeping at 4K+ and you still have a problem, then it needs attention whether engine or drivetrain.  There is no way in hell that a solid mount Sportster is as smooth as Guzzi.

I hope this isn't a troll. 

[Bill Hagan]

I only have a rough clue about the geography of California, as I tend to think of anything west of the Mississippi River as occasionally interesting, but almost always irrelevant.  ;D

That said, is no one out there near enough to the OP to see if what he reports is, as we all suspect, the result of "throttle avoidance" or something else?

While there are times -- even among the most rev-happy here -- when we do loaf along in "the 3's," I think that that the only time I spend n my EV in "the 2's" is passing through on way up or down.

I do wonder if we might be missing something that the OP is trying to convey beyond the conclusion we all seem reasonably to have drawn, i.e., short shifting.

Bill

[Semper-guzzi]

I only have a rough clue about the geography of California, as I tend to think of anything west of the Mississippi River as occasionally interesting, but almost always irrelevant.  ;D

That said, is no one out there near enough to the OP to see if what he reports is, as we all suspect, the result of "throttle avoidance" or something else?

While there are times -- even among the most rev-happy here -- when we do loaf along in "the 3's," I think that that the only time I spend n my EV in "the 2's" is passing through on way up or down.

I do wonder if we might be missing something that the OP is trying to convey beyond the conclusion we all seem reasonably to have drawn, i.e., short shifting.

Bill

We're in email contact. Hopefully this upcoming week I can try and get out early and maybe I can meet him and see what's up.

[youcanrunnaked]

Do you know what "FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE" means?

More like shouting into the wind....

[Lannis]

More like shouting into the wind....

Yes.   Probably 40 posts from a dozen experienced Guzzi riders have said "Don't run it at those RPMS, it's not designed for it" and the message isn't getting through.

That's OK.   All we can do is testify to what we know.   We can't make someone like it or believe it or say "Thanks, I'll try running it like that."   

It may be that MotoHarley is where true happiness is, not MotoGoosey .... !

Lannis

[oldbike54]

 "Bored"?  ;D OK , one of two things is happening here , either the guy is pulling our legs , or there really is something wrong with the bike . Either way , Semper Guzzi will hopefully give us a first hand report in the next few days and we can put this thing to bed .

  Dusty

[kirby1923]

OK,
I defer to the man from Oklahomie, part time statesman and sometime sub-mariner, its the sensible thing to do.

:-)

[MotoGoosy]

Doesn't it depend somewhat on the model?  This is an EV11.  It's not a sport bike.  The only bike I have that does 4k on the freeway is my Versys.

[oldbike54]

Doesn't it depend somewhat on the model?  This is an EV11.  It's not a sport bike.  The only bike I have that does 4k on the freeway is my Versys.

Nope . A question , how many folks need to tell you that this engine likes to rev a bit before it sinks in ?

  Dusty

[youcanrunnaked]

Doesn't it depend somewhat on the model?  This is an EV11.  It's not a sport bike.  The only bike I have that does 4k on the freeway is my Versys.

No!  No! Good Lord, NO!!

[rodekyll]

Nope . A question , how many folks need to tell you that this engine likes to rev a bit before it sinks in ?

  Dusty

Yes, it does depend on the model.  I can give my Convert all the gas in the tank and it will still only do the revs that make it happy.  I reported in another topic that I ran out to the end of the road and back at 50mph and 2200rpm.  The bike can choose whatever engine speed it wants for a given road speed, and that's where it wanted to be.  The only way I could increase the revs is by increasing road speed. 

Who wants to tell my bike it can't do that?

[oldbike54]

Yes, it does depend on the model.  I can give my Convert all the gas in the tank and it will still only do the revs that make it happy.  I reported in another topic that I ran out to the end of the road and back at 50mph and 2200rpm.  The bike can choose whatever engine speed it wants for a given road speed, and that's where it wanted to be.  The only way I could increase the revs is by increasing road speed. 

Who wants to tell my bike it can't do that?

 OH HELL , yeah true , and I don't always run mine at 4K , but it should still be smooth at that engine speed . Now you get to explain what a 'Vert is to the OP  ;D

  Dusty

[redrider]

Doesn't it depend somewhat on the model?  This is an EV11.  It's not a sport bike.  The only bike I have that does 4k on the freeway is my Versys.

Think of percentages and redline. A big twin hd is tapped out at 5000 so cruising at 2500 is roughly 50 percent. The Guzzi redlined at 8000 cruising at 4000 is also about 50 percent. The EV has surprised many riders of other brands for it's willingness to boogie and handle decently while doing so. My Mille GT was the base model big block when new but it runs with the rest of the pack on sundays. Go ahead, give it some stick.

[youcanrunnaked]

The question is whether the Guzzi Big Block is a much lower-revving engine in the V11 California application as opposed to, say, the V11 LeMans application.  

THE ANSWER IS: NO!

Convert is an odd duck and the exception to the rule.  Citing it is only muddying the waters.

[Wayne Orwig]

I reported in another topic that I ran out to the end of the road and back at 50mph and 2200rpm. 

But you weren't wishing it was a rubber mounted engine.
Something fishy going on.

[biking sailor]

Short stroke (compared to bore) higher rev, long stroke lower rev.  Generalization, but it fits.

[LowRyter]

Doesn't it depend somewhat on the model?  This is an EV11.  It's not a sport bike.  The only bike I have that does 4k on the freeway is my Versys.

NEVER LUG A GUZZI!

Keep the revs over 4k on the highway.  You should've figured that out when you first rode it.  If it still vibrates after you ride the right way, then you have a problem.

I have an EV.   :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse

[oldbike54]

NEVER LUG A GUZZI!

Keep the revs over 4k on the highway.  You should've figured that out when you first rode it.  If it still vibrates after you ride the right way, then you have a problem.

I have an EV.   :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse :beat_horse

 Me thinks the OP may be winding us up a bit  :o :D

  Dusty

[LowRyter]

Dusty- the "T- word" is being held back.  I did modify my last post to give the OP the benefit of the doubt.

[oldbike54]

Dusty- the "T- word" is being held back.  I did modify my last post to give the OP the benefit of the doubt.

 He is probably just being a bit ornery  :D

  Dusty

[MotoGoosy]

Bottom line is that I like the bike, but compared to my other rides, it's a tractor.  The higher the revs, the more the vibration.  Maybe the rest of you are just used to it.

[Kev m]

Bottom line is that I like the bike, but compared to my other rides, it's a tractor.  The higher the revs, the more the vibration.  Maybe the rest of you are just used to it.

I'm out, you're full of it.

I LOVE MY SPORTSTER. But you claim to have a solidmount 883, but call a Tonti Cali a tractor?

No one is that dense. You're just trying to rile people.

You have a Versys, but can't figure out that a Guzzi should spin higher than a Harley Big Twin?

Granted I've only put ~100 miles on a Versus, but I didn't need an instruction manual how to ride it anymore than I did my Jackal Cali (that I figured out the first run through the gears).

I'm very skeptical...

[MotoGoosy]

Nothing to "Figure out" Kev.  Statement of fact.  The Guzzi hammers much more than the Harley.  Revs don't make much difference.

[Vasco DG]

Bottom line is that I like the bike, but compared to my other rides, it's a tractor.  The higher the revs, the more the vibration.  Maybe the rest of you are just used to it.

Nope. Here is either something out of whack with the bike or you're trolling.

[youcanrunnaked]

Statement of fact.  The Guzzi hammers much more than the Harley.  Revs don't make much difference.

Fact:  If this is so, there is something wrong with your bike... TB's out-of-sync; loose motor mounts; weak spark ... something.  Facts are stubborn things.

[Kev m]

Nothing to "Figure out" Kev.  Statement of fact.  The Guzzi hammers much more than the Harley.  Revs don't make much difference.

Dude I've owned 5 Sportsters and ridden a ton more (friend's and press bikes).

I've seen parts fall off Sportys from vibration.

I've lost feeling in hands and feet on long rides.

Hell I put almost 40k miles on my first solidmount sporty in the 2.5 years I held onto it.

Trust me when I say that UNLESS SOMETHING IS MECHANICALLY WRONG, the Cali should be dramatically smoother.

But also trust me when I say you should be running it at about 1000 rpm higher too. Running it as low as you claim should cause bucking and shuddering from lugging the motor.

If you're sincere, hook up with Semper-Guzzi and swap bikes, and see what's up.

[Wayne Orwig]

  Statement of fact.  The Guzzi hammers much more than the Harley.  Revs don't make much difference.

Wrong. The bike is broken, or you are trolling.

 :beat_horse

[vibr8r]

Harley 883, Kawasaki 540 and Mean Streak 1600.

Why did you include a Kawasaki 540 in your list of motorcycles?

[Chuck in Indiana]

Wrong. The bike is broken, or you are trolling.

 :beat_horse

You can lead a horse to water.... ;D