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Daylight savings crime
« on: March 13, 2015, 06:46:44 AM »
 Damn I hate this time change , my body says it's 5:40 , the clock says it's 6:40 , and it is still dark outside  ??? Why are we still clinging to this remnant pf the past ?

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2015, 07:03:51 AM »
DST was developed to help the war effort during WW1. It was discontinued shortly afterwards, but those evil corporations  ;D  found they liked the idea of the increased production hours, so they told thier bought-and-paid-for-Congress persons that they would really like to have it return. And it did.

Arizona never did it. Some parts of the Navaho Nation, up near NM do it. Europe does it, and we all hate it.

Just the Gubment flexing it's uberpowers over the common man.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2015, 07:08:52 AM »
I always cannot wait for DST as I finally have light after work to do things outdoors.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2015, 07:45:44 AM »
I always cannot wait for DST as I finally have light after work to do things outdoors.
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 Yeah , but it's not like we are actually gaining an hour  ;D Sorry fellas just needed to vent a bit , some like it, some don't , kinda like most everything else  :D Finally light out , off to , well , let's call it work  ;D

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2015, 08:12:24 AM »
I like DST, I get to sleep an hour later.

Well not really, since I'm retired I don't have to get up at any certain time, I just naturally wake up about the same time every day, only now according to the clock it's an hour later.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2015, 08:19:08 AM »
"Leave it to the government to think that cutting a foot off the top of a blanket and adding it to the bottom of the blanket, will make the blanket longer!"
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2015, 08:19:32 AM »
I hate it.   It's like you have a blanket that you don't think is long enough for you, so you cut a foot off one end and sew it onto the other end.   It's just stupid.    

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2015, 08:22:14 AM »
Here in Canuck land we have been on DST since last Sunday.

Not all the provinces and not all towns and cities apparently ???

"Some areas of Canada not using Daylight Saving Time include, Fort St. John, Charlie Lake, Taylor and Dawson Creek in British Columbia, Creston in the East Kootenays, and most of Saskatchewan (except Denare Beach and Creighton)."
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2015, 08:42:21 AM »
It's been found that DST increases revenue for businesses.  I assume that's why it was extended a few years ago, to try to help the slow economy.  From the Wikipedia article:

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Retailers, sporting goods makers, and other businesses benefit from extra afternoon sunlight, as it induces customers to shop and to participate in outdoor afternoon sports.[90] In 1984, Fortune magazine estimated that a seven-week extension of DST would yield an additional $30 million for 7-Eleven stores, and the National Golf Foundation estimated the extension would increase golf industry revenues $200 million to $300 million.[91] A 1999 study estimated that DST increases the revenue of the European Union's leisure sector by about 3%.[7]
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2015, 08:42:35 AM »
We now have an extra hour a day to play outside in MN!   ;-T
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2015, 09:05:32 AM »
I think I got this one from here - the trailer for the best movie that never was - " Saving Daylight "

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2015, 10:02:15 AM »
I hate DST.  No one knows why the congress passed it in the 60s.   Was it because the Congress wanted to change everyone's work schedule do they could play golf in the evening? Who knows?

It killed the Drive In movie business,  perhaps already a zombie relic by the 1960s.

I hate to change my schedule.  I have enough problem with sleep in the first place.  I would bet more folks are sleep deprived than benefiting leaving work an hour earlier to enjoy another hour of sunlight.

But I am retired...screw it.    :bike
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2015, 10:04:39 AM »
I hate DST.  No one knows why the congress passed it in the 60s.   Was it because the Congress wanted to change everyone's work schedule do they could play golf in the evening? Who knows?

I'm pretty sure the reason I gave in my post above is correct.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2015, 10:18:33 AM »
But I am retired...screw it.    :bike

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2015, 10:22:27 AM »
I'm pretty sure the reason I gave in my post above is correct.

and Jim, I am pretty sure I mentioned golf too.  So that would boost business?   Maybe sleep deprived zombies will spend more because they are in a daze?  Theories and assumptions.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2015, 10:38:48 AM »
I love it. When I worked in an office with regular hours, and got home around six every night, DST meant I had an extra hour outside with my kid and dogs, or out on the boat, or cycling. Here in Vail, DST means that people spend an extra hour loitering on the deck drinking beer. For some restaurants, table space doubles as the crowd moves onto the deck. Beginning April 1, we'll run the lifts an extra hour, until 4:30. This is to accommodate Latin American visitors who like to do a two-hour lunch and then ski late into the afternoon -- it's their siesta schedule.

I'll bet if you asked your local motorcycle retailer he'd affirm that DST brings in more business. Let's face it, we're a lazy culture. Most people will make use of the extra hour of daylight after work, but not before work. If it's a recreational activity, you want to taper it off into the evening, not end it abruptly to get to work on time.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2015, 10:45:14 AM »
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2015, 10:54:00 AM »
Energy savings. Less people use lights in the morning than in the evening.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2015, 10:55:47 AM »
and Jim, I am pretty sure I mentioned golf too.  So that would boost business?   Maybe sleep deprived zombies will spend more because they are in a daze?  Theories and assumptions.

History of DST in the United States:

During World War I, in an effort to conserve fuel, Germany began observing DST on May 1, 1916. The rest of Europe soon followed. The plan was not adopted in the United States until the Standard Time Act of March 19, 1918, which established standard time zones and set summer DST to begin on March 31, 1918. The idea was unpopular and Congress abolished DST after the war, overriding President Woodrow Wilson's veto.[3] DST became a local option and was observed in some states until World War II, when President Franklin Roosevelt instituted year-round DST, called "War Time", on February 9, 1942.[4] It lasted until the last Sunday in September 1945. After 1945 many states and cities east of the Mississippi River (and mostly north of the Ohio and Potomac Rivers) adopted summer DST.[5]

From 1945 to 1966 there was no federal law on daylight saving time, so localities could choose when it began and ended or drop it entirely. In 1954 only California and Nevada had statewide DST west of the Mississippi, and only a few cities between Nevada and St Louis. In the 1964 Official Railway Guide, 21 of the 48 states had no DST anywhere.

By 1962 the transportation industry found the lack of consistency confusing enough to push for federal regulation. The result was the Uniform Time Act of 1966 (P.L. 89-387). Beginning in 1967, the act mandated standard time within the established time zones and provided for advanced time: clocks would be advanced one hour beginning at 2:00 a.m. on the last Sunday in April and turned back one hour at 2:00 a.m. on the last Sunday in October. States were allowed to exempt themselves from DST as long as the entire state did so. If a state chose to observe DST, the time changes were required to begin and end on the established dates. In 1967 Arizona and Michigan became the first states to exempt themselves from DST (Michigan would begin observing DST in 1972). In 1972 the act was amended (P.L. 92-267), allowing those states split between time zones to exempt either the entire state or that part of the state lying within a different time zone. The newly created Department of Transportation (DOT) was given power to enforce the law. As of 2014 the following states and territories are not observing DST: Arizona, Hawaii, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.[5]

During the 1973 oil embargo by the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC), in an effort to conserve fuel Congress enacted a trial period of year-round DST (P.L. 93-182), beginning January 6, 1974, and ending April 27, 1975.[6][7] The trial was hotly debated. Those in favor pointed to increased daylight hours in the winter evening: more time for recreation, reduced lighting and heating demands, reduced crime, and reduced automobile accidents. The opposition was concerned about children leaving for school in the dark. The act was amended in October 1974 (P.L. 93-434) to return to standard time for the period beginning October 27, 1974, and ending February 23, 1975, when DST resumed. When the trial ended in 1975, the country returned to observing summer DST (with the aforementioned exceptions).[5]

The DOT, evaluating the plan of extending DST into March, reported in 1975 that "modest overall benefits might be realized by a shift from the historic six-month DST (May through October) in areas of energy conservation, overall traffic safety and reduced violent crime." However, DOT also reported that these benefits were minimal and difficult to distinguish from seasonal variations and fluctuations in energy prices.[5]

Congress then asked the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) to evaluate the DOT report. Its report, "Review and Technical Evaluation of the DOT Daylight Saving Time Study" (April 1976), found no significant energy savings or differences in traffic fatalities. It did find statistically significant evidence of increased fatalities among school-age children in the mornings during the four-month period January–April 1974 as compared with the same period (non-DST) of 1973. NBS stated that it was impossible to determine, what, if any, of this increase was due to DST. When these data were compared between 1973 and 1974 for the months of March and April, no significant difference was found in fatalities among school-age children in the mornings.[5]

In 1986 Congress enacted P.L. 99-359, amending the Uniform Time Act by changing the beginning of DST to the first Sunday in April and having the end remain the last Sunday in October.[5] These start and end dates were in effect from 1987 to 2006. The time was adjusted at 2:00 a.m. local time.


2005 revision to dates of observance:

By the Energy Policy Act of 2005, daylight saving time (DST) was extended in the United States beginning in 2007.[8] As of that year, DST begins on the second Sunday of March and ends on the first Sunday of November. These changes result in a DST period that is five weeks longer than previously in years where April 1st falls on Monday through Wednesday and four weeks longer than previously in years where April 1st falls on Thursday through Sunday.[9] In 2008 daylight saving time ended at 2:00 a.m. DST (0200) (1:00 a.m. ST) on Sunday, November 2, and in 2009 it began at 2:00 a.m. (3:00 a.m. DST) on Sunday, March 8.[10] Wyoming Senator Michael Enzi and Michigan Representative Fred Upton advocated the extension from October into November especially to allow children to go trick-or-treating in more daylight.[11]

Under Section 110 of the Act, the U.S. Department of Energy was required to study the impact of the 2007 DST extension no later than nine months after the change took effect. The report, released in October 2008, reported a nationwide electricity savings of 0.03% for the year of 2007.[12]

An October 2008 study conducted by the University of California at Santa Barbara for the National Bureau of Economic Research found that the 2006 DST adoption in Indiana increased energy consumption in Indiana by an average of 1%. Although energy consumption for lighting dropped as a result of the DST adoption, consumption for heating and cooling increased by 2 to 4%. The cost to the average Indiana household of the DST adoption was determined to be $3.29 per year, for an aggregate cost of $1.7 million to $5.5 million per year.[13]

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2015, 10:59:04 AM »
Energy savings. Less people use lights in the morning than in the evening.

These are the reasons I remember from the 1970s, when it was a hot topic after the Arab Oil Embargo: 

Evening time energy savings with the side benefit of 8-5 workers getting to spend some extra daylight time with family.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2015, 11:05:45 AM »
let me take this argument to the next level:

Not only should we eliminate DST in the USA, would should also consolidate times zones from 4 to 3.

Yes, THREE time zones and NO DST.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2015, 11:06:46 AM »
The actual amount of energy saving is a hot topic of debate.  The economic boost is not.  But you probably won't hear a boost to business given as a reason for DST.  At least I've never heard it.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2015, 11:07:01 AM »
Energy savings. Less people use lights in the morning than in the evening.

 Probably true , and energy savings is a good thing . Some studies show that DST does save energy , it just seems like we could find some better solutions than simply screwing up everyone's circadian rhythm . Most folks stay up later in DST because our bodies need a certain amount of dark to unwind from the day . Oh well , in about a month my internal clock will adjust , then in November we will go back to standard time . Hmm , if DST is the norm for more 6 months a year ...Never mind  ::) My dogs seem to be unaware of the clock  :D
  
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2015, 11:20:41 AM »
let me take this argument to the next level:

Not only should we eliminate DST in the USA, would should also consolidate times zones from 4 to 3.

Yes, THREE time zones and NO DST.

But...

1.Atlantic Time Zone
2.Eastern Time Zone
3.Central Time Zone
4.Mountain Time Zone
5.Pacific Time Zone
6.Alaska Time Zone
7.Hawaii–Aleutian Time Zone




Talk about screwing up circadian rhythms!  Three time zones in the Lower 48?  How would you set that up?

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2015, 11:51:14 AM »
Hmmm,this thread is the reason I prefer not to hang around with people my age....They piss and moan about stuff I never think about   ;D ;D


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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2015, 11:58:25 AM »
I don't think I've read more WHINING in such a short space since Guzzi started going out of bidness.

There's a simple reason for DST.  It's to remind you to change the batteries in your bicycle speedometer and wall clocks.  I don't know how I'd remember otherwise.


Alaska has it's own time zone.  That's because they took the other three back.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2015, 12:03:17 PM »
The MI legislature is considering a bill to discontinue DST.  Works for me.  If you don't like how the sunrise jives with your schedule, change you schedule not mine.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2015, 12:05:22 PM »
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the bottom, and have a longer blanket." ;D
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2015, 12:17:27 PM »
 Hawaii asks, What is daylightt savings time?
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2015, 12:19:30 PM »
But...

1.Atlantic Time Zone
2.Eastern Time Zone
3.Central Time Zone
4.Mountain Time Zone
5.Pacific Time Zone
6.Alaska Time Zone
7.Hawaii–Aleutian Time Zone


Talk about screwing up circadian rhythms!  Three time zones in the Lower 48?  How would you set that up?

Yeah, that works out to, like 24 time zones around the world!  Where did they get a crazy number like that????   ;)

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