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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2015, 12:28:42 PM »
Yeah, that works out to, like 24 time zones around the world!  Where did they get a crazy number like that????   ;)

That dang Eratosthenes was a Mathmagician!

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2015, 12:41:54 PM »
let me take this argument to the next level:

Not only should we eliminate DST in the USA, would should also consolidate times zones from 4 to 3.

Yes, THREE time zones and NO DST.

I'm OK with that so long as we have DST all year, instead of "Standard Time".

Being one of the majority daytime workers, I like having the extra daylight after work for outdoor activities.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2015, 01:48:41 PM »
Yep, in NM they have submitted a bill to go to DST all year round, while next door, AZ stays with std time.  Kinda sounds like they should just change where the time zone division is.  I would like it to stay lighter in the evening.

I remember when AZ tried DST.  It was still light at 11pm.  The bar owners threw a hissy fit as they lost millions in business.  Seemed no one wanted to out and drink when it was still light outside.  Wimps.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2015, 02:03:09 PM »
"Yeah, I'm, I'm hip about time. But I just gotta go."
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2015, 02:38:45 PM »
"Yeah, I'm, I'm hip about time. But I just gotta go."
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Hey, he STOLE that line from me!


Man, we just gonna GO!

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2015, 03:32:13 PM »
Quote
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2015, 03:56:32 PM »
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Just look at the mess they make! I hate cleaning up after Festival.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2015, 04:40:26 PM »
Since 'everyone' (not Lannis :D  ) has phones and clocks that are networked or sync'd to a master signal, then let's just add the GPS info to them.  They can then calculate the time wherever you are on the earth.  No more time zones at all.  :)  The bonus is when you go fast enough toward the west you can watch your clock go backwards  :)

Or just make everyone convert to GMT  :)
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2015, 04:49:02 PM »
I find it very hard to change my sundial back and forth so always leave it set for "God's" time.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2015, 05:24:54 PM »
I find it very hard to change my sundial back and forth so always leave it set for "God's" time.

My sundial does 24 hour time, but you have to use a flashlight at night.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2015, 05:36:05 PM »
I'd much rather it be light later in the evening than be light out early in the morning

I wish we'd stay in 'spring forward' all year long

Worst days of the year is in the fall when you go from having a touch of daylight in the evening.. Then BAM it's dark when you are getting off work overnight!


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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2015, 05:38:24 PM »
Well if one hour is good, then two should be better still - hell make it three hours, yeah, then everybody gets three more hours of daylight in the evening - yeah that's the ticket.

Or maybe 12 hours or some other arbitrary value... :beat_horse
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2015, 05:57:32 PM »
Well if one hour is good, then two should be better still - hell make it three hours, yeah, then everybody gets three more hours of daylight in the evening - yeah that's the ticket.

Or maybe 12 hours or some other arbitrary value... :beat_horse

My thoughts exactly.   Or make the hours 120 minutes long from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM!!   That would do it too!  MUCH more time to do things after work.

And while we're at it, we could make the minimum wage $50 an hour!   EVERYONE could be RICH!

And ... and ....

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2015, 05:58:48 PM »
But...

1.Atlantic Time Zone
2.Eastern Time Zone
3.Central Time Zone
4.Mountain Time Zone
5.Pacific Time Zone
6.Alaska Time Zone
7.Hawaii–Aleutian Time Zone




Talk about screwing up circadian rhythms!  Three time zones in the Lower 48?  How would you set that up?



yes, the CONUS, lower 48. widen the three eastern time zones 50-100 miles west and you are there.  In Cal the sun sets around 5 in the afternoon in winter.  Just eliminate Pacific time zone.  

This also squares why western states in time zones (Indiana and Arizona for example) don't want to go on DST.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2015, 06:06:07 PM by LowRyter »
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2015, 06:08:48 PM »
I am confused, naturally. I need one of those handy Metric to English Time Converters to figure out exactly what time to adjust the location of the big hand.

Simple!  **C
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2015, 09:23:12 PM »
Move to Arizona; I think they still avoid the DST nonsense.  Sure wish Indiana had not given in to this stupidity.

Yeah, Arizona... We doan need no steenkin' DST...

No, we just change time zones twice a year.

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No DST - less time zones.

The sun, the moon, God and even the butterflies laugh at our notion of being able to control time with a pen.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2015, 09:58:17 PM »
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2015, 05:30:44 AM »
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2015, 11:12:04 AM »
I also think we need to go to a 35 hr work week with no loss of pay.   We've had 40 hr since the 1930s.   It's time to give everyone a raise and 5 hours off or 5 hours of paid overtime.   

After 80 years of increased productivity and wealth creating it's time for workers to gain some of the benefit.   :)
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2015, 11:18:10 AM »
 Wow , 50 posts on this topic , interesting . Really , I was just venting a bit  ;D

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2015, 12:25:15 PM »
I also think we need to go to a 35 hr work week with no loss of pay.   We've had 40 hr since the 1930s.   It's time to give everyone a raise and 5 hours off or 5 hours of paid overtime.   

After 80 years of increased productivity and wealth creating it's time for workers to gain some of the benefit.   :)

The French "supposedly" do a 35 hour week, but all the French guys I know are working 40 - 50 hours a week.   They can't get the work done in 35 hours.   

In a competitive world where people in Asia are willing to work 70 hours a week to get ahead, you'll get your financial arse kicked if you just lay back and don't try to keep up.

If you want to work 35 hours a week, why don't you work for yourself and just work 35 hours a week?   Lots of guys on this list are self-employed; if you're the boss, YOU determine the hours you work!   There's everything to be said for it ....

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2015, 12:48:17 PM »
Lannis, we've had a 40 hr week for 80 years, productivity and national wealth have gone up many times.  Now we have chronic unemployment and folks unable to retire all over the world- not just in USA.  A shorter work week can restore the benefits of the growth we've had over the last 80 years to by ensuring workers get more time and money.  The resulting greater wealth will help employ more people.

 
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2015, 12:56:54 PM »
Lannis, we've had a 40 hr week for 80 years, productivity and national wealth have gone up many times.  Now we have chronic unemployment and folks unable to retire all over the world- not just in USA.  A shorter work week can restore the benefits of the growth we've had over the last 80 years to by ensuring workers get more time and money.  The resulting greater wealth will help employ more people.

 

I just don't think that the "If Everyone Works Less, Everyone Will Make More Money" model is going to work.   

The successful people that I know work (or worked) whatever hours they had to work to get the work done.   

The result of the higher productivity and wealth (and there's no doubt about THAT) is that even lower-paid workers in 2015 have "Stuff" that only doctors and lawyers could dream of having 80 or even 40 or 50 years ago ....  I doubt very much that anyone would want to give up the material things they've gained by working fewer hours, and go back to living with the level of "stuff" that my hard-working middle-class parents did.

BUT ... there wouldn't be any harm in trying it, I suppose.   I wouldn't vote for it, but I'm just one vote.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2015, 09:18:40 PM »
Time is an illusion.  Lunchtime doubly so...

Oh, and down with DST.  It's a relic that has outlived its usefulness. 
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2015, 10:17:03 PM »
  The reason blue collar workers have as much as only doctors and lawyers used to have is because they bought it on credit.
 Most of them are spending 20 to 30 percent of their take home pay on interest.  They are selling their tomorrow for things they want today.
 Some day the chickens will come home to roost and it will probably be their kids that pay the bill in lower quality of life.
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2015, 10:52:26 PM »
I like having the sun out later for half the year. I'd be ok with sticking to that schedule. Nothing sucks more than coming home in the winter and it's dark already. Then again this northern exposure means you don't get any light during the winter no matter what they do with the time, and in the summer it's hard to sleep it's light out for so much of the day...

Chile just got rid of their daylight savings, making some progress down there... I still like it though. It's like a reminder that spring is coming and the weather is going to get nice for riding!! And they give you more time to do it in.

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2015, 10:56:22 PM »
DG-

since it gets dark early in the winter, wouldn't it make more sense to keep DST in the winter?  And never change off it?
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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2015, 10:59:51 PM »
 :+1
I also think we need to go to a 35 hr work week with no loss of pay.   We've had 40 hr since the 1930s.   It's time to give everyone a raise and 5 hours off or 5 hours of paid overtime.   

After 80 years of increased productivity and wealth creating it's time for workers to gain some of the benefit.   

 :+1 ;-T :+1 ;-T

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2015, 11:02:40 PM »
DG-

since it gets dark early in the winter, wouldn't it make more sense to keep DST in the winter?  And never change off it?


 Great for folks who work inside , not so great for folks who work outside .

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Re: Daylight savings crime
« Reply #59 on: March 15, 2015, 07:20:59 AM »
My garden likes the extra hour of sunlight.
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