Author Topic: Help..oil pan blown pressure plg (Read 15175 times)

giusto · « **on:** March 14, 2015, 09:54:47 PM »

Hello Gents..and Ladies,

I am in the need of assistance. It's still cold here in Michigan...+/- 35-40 this morning and I was working on my 2001 Jackel I recently purchased (from a guy in Georgia) with a great new friend...Stewart (found from this site). We were trouble shooting the side stand switch in my chilly garage, Successfully. I have made some minor modifications to the bike and after replacing the fuel tank and rerouting the fuel supply line I still had a little too much length in the line causing it to hang up a bit on the throttle linkage.
So here is the scenario...When I fired up the bike...choke set 3/4 on...it immediately started and revved to medium high rpms for maybe 5 seconds...I hit the kill switch and looked to see the fuel line was hung up on the throttle linkage causing the high revs. I look down at the front of the bike and see a squirt of oil on the garage floor...downer! upon further inspection I cold see what looked like a pressure relief plug in the middle of the pan had popped and the plug and oil were spewed. My questions A)...Could the combination of 1)cold temps 2) throttle linkage induced revs and 3) bike from Georgia (I am guessing he ran 20-50 weight oil) heavy oil have caused the pressure plug to blow? B) How does one remedy the situation? replace the plug? new plug?
This bike ran fine about a month ago when I started in and ran it in my garage. Also it has an aftermarket oil pan with external filter housing.

Thank you very much for all the help!

Giusto

rodekyll · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2015, 11:58:05 PM »

The pressure relief is inside the sump so it's not that. More likely a popped galley plug. If it is and you have the room for it, you might just thread it and screw in a real pressure sensor.

giusto · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2015, 12:04:45 AM »

Thanks for the response...it seems like the galley plug would go at a designed pressure? Any ideas where to look for the sensor? also what kind of pressure should I expect to see? Galley plugs replaceable?

Thanks again

pete mcgee · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2015, 05:16:51 AM »

Nope, thats the relief valves job.
You probably got the one manufactured 30 seconds before the bell went for the month long Italian summer holiday.
Are the plugs replaceable? Good question yours is the first I've heard of blowing out.
I believe they are an interference press fit and then staked in, fairly critical because if it comes out when at revs you will trash the bottom end in a matter of seconds.
Measure the hole and the plug and see what sizes they are, get a new plug made to suit a few thou bigger than the hole, fit with a thin smear of metallic epoxy, press into the hole, stake it in and let it set for a day or two. Refill sump with oil and start looking for leaks, let it get hot, rev it, check for leaks.
Or just buy a new sump if you dont trust the old one........

Vasco DG · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2015, 05:47:28 AM »

Sorry, about to go to sleep but the thinking on this is wrong, depending on which plug blew out. It may be that the OPRV a had no input at all.

Pete

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:26:33 AM »

Quote from: giusto on March 14, 2015, 09:54:47 PM

Also it has an aftermarket oil pan with external filter housing.

so the plug came from the AM pan? can you show pics? I would start looking for a stock set up if you have the BuB sump with filter.

John A · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:29:01 AM »

Brad you beat me to it by seconds, the key here is the aftermarket pan

dilligaf · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:31:21 AM »

I'm a bit confused-I know nothing new-but I think we are talking about an oil leak from a plug. Something about oil from Georgia in a motorcycle in Michigan. ??? The motorcycle also has an aftermarket oil pan, sort of sounds like something form Harpers. I think we need some more information, or at least I do. Any chance of getting a picture of this "plug". :BEER:
Matt

dilligaf · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:33:22 AM »

Well I should have done as I was told and reviewed my post before posing. ::( :BEER:
Matt

Matteo · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:34:28 AM »

He's new. He is referring to a stock pan with a Harpers outsider oil filter kit installed.

Dean Rose · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:47:14 AM »

That's not a choke, just crack the throttle a bit and start it.

Dean

StuCorpe · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2015, 10:52:13 AM »

The plug is on the front of the "outsider" . I am not sure what it was there for as I am not familiar with the "outsider" and what the oil flow chamber is like. It sure made a mess though. Hope someone here knows. So far the best suggestion sounds like removing the outsider, tapping the hole where the plug was and installing a bolt.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2015, 10:59:13 AM »

How about a picture?

dilligaf · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2015, 11:24:08 AM »

I highly recommend you find out EXACTLY what the hole is all about before you do anything. ::( :BEER:
Matt

Mike Harper · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2015, 11:36:42 AM »

Quote from: StuCorpe on March 15, 2015, 10:52:13 AM

The plug is on the front of the "outsider" . I am not sure what it was there for as I am not familiar with the "outsider" and what the oil flow chamber is like. It sure made a mess though. Hope someone here knows. So far the best suggestion sounds like removing the outsider, tapping the hole where the plug was and installing a bolt.

Please do not try to alter the "outssider". Instead please send it to us for inspection and repair. If a plug came out of it we want to know so we can address the issue.
Tomorrow morning please call either Mike or Curtis at 800 752 9735 to discuss the issue and get it sent back so we can get you back on the road quickly

Mike

guzzisteve · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2015, 11:39:56 AM »

I had a galley plug blow out of a Harpers spacer outsider filter unit. What I did was press plug back in then it went to a machine shop & they welded them all closed, then machined them all flush. No more problems forever.

Aaron D. · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2015, 12:43:22 PM »

Sump or spacer? If it were an Outsider you could just go to using the sump, I suppose, but again pictures required.

giusto · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2015, 02:52:52 PM »

Photos soon to come. This weep hole is not on the sump it is just above it.

Matteo · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2015, 04:09:05 PM »

Interesting the plug came out of the front of the Outsider. The pan is intact. I will try to get the pics up for him.
For now I would remove the outsider and just mount the pan with internal filter.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2015, 04:46:01 PM »

Quote from: giusto on March 15, 2015, 02:52:52 PM

Photos soon to come. This weep hole is not on the sump it is just above it.

Remove. Time for an oil change anyway.
Send to Harpers per their suggestion.

Matteo · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2015, 06:14:29 PM »

giusto · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2015, 06:39:12 PM »

Thanks Matteo

delrod · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2015, 06:48:27 PM »

Call Mike or Curtis at Harpers in the morning I bet they will help you. Looks like one of their Outsiders

giusto · « **Reply #23 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:23:44 PM »

Thanks for all the help. I will be contact Mike tomorrow and send it along tout suite.

oldtime · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2015, 07:55:38 PM »

That easy fix just send it back . the people who made it need to take a look so they can make it all good .

Howard R · « **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2015, 09:06:22 PM »

Quote from: MMNorth on March 15, 2015, 04:09:05 PM

Interesting the plug came out of the front of the Outsider. The pan is intact. I will try to get the pics up for him.
For now I would remove the outsider and just mount the pan with internal filter.

DANGER! Do NOT install the lower part of the pan without some kind of spacer, either the Harpers you have now or the factory original. After the factory went to the spacer, they also changed to a taller oil filter. Back in the 850 days the filter was an inch or two shorter, they took advantage of more room to add a larger filter. I have never tried it myself, but I believe there is not enough clearance without the spacer, and the crank will hit the end of the filter.

As to trying to tap the hole and using a bolt, there is danger down this path as well. Depending on what that passage does, getting a bolt in there that is too long could block an internal passage and shut off oil flow to something vital.

As Mike already said, send it back to them and they will take care of it, they are good people and stand behind their products.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2015, 10:18:12 PM »

Quote from: Howard R on March 17, 2015, 09:06:22 PM

DANGER! Do NOT install the lower part of the pan without some kind of spacer, either the Harpers you have now or the factory original. After the factory went to the spacer, they also changed to a taller oil filter. Back in the 850 days the filter was an inch or two shorter, they took advantage of more room to add a larger filter. I have never tried it myself, but I believe there is not enough clearance without the spacer, and the crank will hit the end of the filter.

Somewhere around mid 1998 they switched to a deeper sump to eliminate the need for the spacer. Some 98s have the spacer, some have the deep sump. I would guess the 2001 Jackel has the deep sump. Worth verifying though, just in case they had some left over parts. :BEER:

fotoguzzi · « **Reply #27 on:** March 17, 2015, 10:28:31 PM »

Quote from: MMNorth on March 15, 2015, 04:09:05 PM

Interesting the plug came out of the front of the Outsider. The pan is intact. I will try to get the pics up for him.
For now I would remove the outsider and just mount the pan with internal filter.

use the short filter from the early big block.

Vasco DG · « **Reply #28 on:** March 17, 2015, 10:39:21 PM »

It won't fit. The threaded mount is smaller on the small filter. A 2001 should have the deep sump and provision for the larger filter.

Pete

giusto · « **Reply #29 on:** April 02, 2015, 10:37:59 PM »

Thanks to Mike and the team at Harpers!

Mike could you please explain the issue with this version of the outsider so all can be privy to the explanation?

Hoping to have it back in my hands soon as the weather has broken...I came home from New Zealand with all the snow gone and most of the winter sands washed from our roads. I am looking forward to getting back on the road!

Thanks again

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