Thanks for your replies. No complaints about the odyssey, on my second one. It's just my MG sits for six months due to weather (snow) and by spring I find the odyssey at 12V, about 65% discharged according to the battery specs; plus Battery Tender (brand) chargers, which I use to maintain the batteries on my two other bikes, won't work on odysseys. Honest. Kind of like to hit the road on my first ride of the year on a fullly charged battery. I could top it off with my generic auto battery charger, but it charges at 16v, which according to the odyssey manual will kill the battery. I could buy an odyssey brand charger but they're $100. My world does not need to be this complicated.