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Offline HDGoose

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No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« on: April 23, 2015, 10:12:40 AM »
Since learning that they are now sourcing parts from china and such, I'm done with newer Guzzi's. Too many older ones from available for not much money.

Not worth the hassle with few dealers, few parts, arrogant parent company...

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2015, 10:18:52 AM »



I challenge you to find any mass produced motor vehicle that does not contain at lest some Chinese parts.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2015, 10:27:13 AM »
Well, perhaps Goose is going with his "economic conscience"?

Sort of like people did with South Africa in apartheid days?   Don't buy South African products or invest in SA companies while their national policy was race separation?

Certainly seems like a Communist regime, constant violators of human rights, massive polluters of the entire world, pirating and stealing every idea they can get their hands on, MIGHT be a subject for a similar personal embargo, without thinking that that's too amazing?

Everyone picks their own thing to be sensitive to.   I'm sure that there are Chinese who refuse to buy American products for various reasons, real and imagined, although that might be a pretty easy thing to do over there .....

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2015, 10:30:17 AM »
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Everyone picks their own thing to be sensitive to.

Yep, I boycott BP. I'll bring them to their knees just like I did Exxon.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2015, 10:35:52 AM »
Yep, I boycott BP. I'll bring them to their knees just like I did Exxon.

I ride with a guy who won't stop at an Exxon station since the big oil spill.    I generally burn Chevron gas when I'm with him.

Of course, for a guy like me who won't go in a Sheetz, a WalMart, a Cracker Barrel, a McDonalds, or a Hardees ...... it's easy to understand!

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2015, 10:43:50 AM »
Yep, I boycott BP. I'll bring them to their knees just like I did Exxon.

 ;D

I bet the board of directors always mentions you at their meetings.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2015, 11:02:28 AM »
I generally try to buy made in USA products when I can, I pay more but it makes me feel better.

But it's a matter of degrees, if you want to be a purist and not buy from offensive opresive nations you will vertully have to live off the grid in a mountain shack.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2015, 11:07:29 AM »
Funny stuff here. American riders of Italian motorcycles unhappy because of Chinese suppliers.   :pop

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2015, 11:12:03 AM »
Since learning that they are now sourcing parts from china and such, I'm done with newer Guzzi's. 

Which parts, and such, are from China?  And on which bikes?

The recent addition of Asian parts to the V7 line has not affected your new Guzzi purchases over the past decade.

As I recall, that number is zero.  So, the addition of Asian parts is a non-starter.

So, basically, this is just a troll thread...    ::)
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2015, 11:18:47 AM »
Funny stuff here. American riders of Italian motorcycles unhappy because of Chinese suppliers.   :pop

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ha ha..

Wonder where he thinks his carparts/electronics/clothes come from
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2015, 11:22:28 AM »
Funny stuff here. American riders of Italian motorcycles unhappy because of Chinese suppliers.   :pop

Paul

Sometimes it's nice to buy American Products that are made in The USA.  Sometimes it's nice to buy Italian Products that are made in Italy.  Etc., Etc.

Heck, I don't even mind buying Japanese Products that are made in Japan!

But I do get tired of going shopping for things like Justin Boots and seeing a "made in China" tag instead of "made in Texas USA" tag.

One of the great things about Moto Guzzi has been that its in-country content was virtually 100% up until very recently.  
  
Sometimes when you buy something from someplace, you'd like it to be made in that place.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2015, 11:26:00 AM »
Sometimes it's nice to buy American Products that are made in The USA.  Sometimes it's nice to buy Italian Products that are made in Italy.  Etc., Etc.

Heck, I don't even mind buying Japanese Products that are made in Japan!

But I do get tired of going shopping for things like Justin Boots and seeing a "made in China" tag instead of "made in Texas USA" tag.

One of the great things about Moto Guzzi has been that its in-country content was virtually 100% up until very recently.  
  
Sometimes when you buy something from someplace, you'd like it to be made in that place.

See, that's why you're the boss.   You can take a "troll thread" and turn it into an informative thread that explains what many people are trying to do.

A zen-like spiritual power you learned in the Orient, no doubt .....   ;)

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2015, 11:36:01 AM »
I'm done with newer Guzzi's to! But only because I like the older stuff better.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2015, 11:36:03 AM »
Funny stuff here. American riders of Italian motorcycles unhappy because of Chinese suppliers.   :pop

Paul

Guzzi's were built by people making decent wages, using parts made in Europe by folks making decent wages. Now they want premium money for non premium stuff. And they still cannot get it right out the door.

Understand now Paul?

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2015, 11:41:07 AM »
I'm done with newer Guzzi's to! But only because I like the older stuff better.

My Stelvio is a stellar motorcycle, and at 35,000 miles, so far so good.

But I've sat down with it, and had a long and intimate conversation last time I was changing the oil, and explained that if she runs well and wears out normally, we're sticking together and I might buy her great-grandaughter too.

But if she plays any silly 21st century tricks with failed dashboards or broken useless electrickery that does something I don't even need done, then it's off to eBAY at a $0.99 start price and no reserve, and a roundfin Tonti that knows her business is taking her place.

Just sayin' ....

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2015, 11:42:42 AM »
I was a bit disappointed to discover that my wheels are Chinese. I really thought my Norge would be more Italian than it is (or at least Norwegian!).
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2015, 11:45:26 AM »
Sometimes it's nice to buy American Products that are made in The USA.  Sometimes it's nice to buy Italian Products that are made in Italy.  Etc., Etc.

Heck, I don't even mind buying Japanese Products that are made in Japan!

But I do get tired of going shopping for things like Justin Boots and seeing a "made in China" tag instead of "made in Texas USA" tag.

One of the great things about Moto Guzzi has been that its in-country content was virtually 100% up until very recently. 
 
Sometimes when you buy something from someplace, you'd like it to be made in that place.

Someone gets it!


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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2015, 11:51:37 AM »
Guzzi's were built by people making decent wages, using parts made in Europe by folks making decent wages. Now they want premium money for non premium stuff. And they still cannot get it right out the door.

Understand now Paul?



Which new MG would you entertain buying based on your previous purchase history? V7? ;D...no, Norge,Breva?..no, Stelvio?...maybe, New California? This is the most likely bike, if I had to guess at one MG. I haven't read that they contain any foreign to Italy parts and if it was an alternator or starter for a five plus year old bike, excuse me Moto Guzzi, the depreciation cost at which you will likely be purchasing the bike will more than compensate for the installation of non-Chinese parts.

I remember when that crappy French Valeo starter was the talk of the MG web. ::)

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2015, 11:52:04 AM »
Someone gets it!



My Sport 1100 came with NGK plugs and wires.  And, WP rear shock.  Other than that, I haven't found anything else sourced very far from Mandelo del Lario.

Campagnolo, Marzocchi, Bitubo, Acerbis, LaFranconi, Dellorto, CEV, Veglia, etc...
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2015, 11:57:31 AM »
Oh, and there has been a problem in the Italian garment business for some time regarding the label Made in Italy. Evidently, Chinese labor has been imported to the country at slave labor wages to produce garments in Italy with the above label driving out other local businesses with Italian labor.

Is it possible that something made in Mandelo is necessarily made with fair wages? I don't know that answer but Mike Harper has indicated that there are parts and there are parts.

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 11:58:24 AM »
Which new MG would you entertain buying based on your previous purchase history? V7? ;D...no, Norge,Breva?..no, Stelvio?...maybe, New California? This is the most likely bike, if I had to guess at one MG. I haven't read that they contain any foreign to Italy parts and if it was an alternator or starter for a five plus year old bike, excuse me Moto Guzzi, the depreciation cost at which you will likely be purchasing the bike will more than compensate for the installation of non-Chinese parts.

I remember when that crappy French Valeo starter was the talk of the MG web. ::)



The thought of seeing Goose astride a V7 is really, really funny.   :D

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2015, 11:59:18 AM »
I was a bit disappointed to discover that my wheels are Chinese. I really thought my Norge would be more Italian than it is (or at least Norwegian!).

I wonder who make the final drives.

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2015, 12:04:34 PM »
I'm looking for a v7 sport? For about 5k

Me too.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2015, 12:35:42 PM »
I'm reminded of the Chevrolet salesman telling Peter Egan to buy an American made PU instead of a Honda Ridgeline , of course neglecting the fact that the Chevy is built in Mexico and the Honda is more or less built in America  ;D Lots od HD riders lament the use of Brembo brakes on modern Harleys , one of the mechanics where my nephew works told him that all Brembo brakes are junk , because the ones used on HDs are , or were .

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2015, 12:45:52 PM »
Anyone here who thinks Goose is a troll hasn't been here that long and are mistaken.  I have no desire for a newer Guzzi in my future either.  I think 30 years of commitment is enough.  But I do like most the Guzzi riders.  :BEER:  Since not buying any more Guzzis, I have bought 2 Piaggio MP3s, so I'm still part of the Italian brotherhood.  ;D
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2015, 12:54:37 PM »
So... 3 of the 5 models are built in America  ~;

  Dusty

I know mine has a Janesville Wisconsin sticker.  Unfortunately, they idled that plant in 2009.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2015, 12:59:52 PM »
I have got over 50,000 miles on my Norge with very few problems. At this asking price one could probably get a very nice bike for somewhere in the mid to high $5,000 range and it probably has no furinor parts. Or one can buy some clapped out T-3 and be happy as a clam as you adjust the points. (shrug)


http://albany.craigslist.org/mcy/4991641228.html

And i have no knowledge of the bike or owner.
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2015, 01:05:19 PM »
That would be a nice one! 
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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2015, 01:23:40 PM »
I have got over 50,000 miles on my Norge with very few problems. At this asking price one could probably get a very nice bike for somewhere in the mid to high $5,000 range and it probably has no furinor parts. Or one can buy some clapped out T-3 and be happy as a clam as you adjust the points. (shrug)


http://albany.craigslist.org/mcy/4991641228.html

And i have no knowledge of the bike or owner.

Actually this bike is listed in the classifieds , nice bike .

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Re: No interest in new MotoGuzzi's
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2015, 01:25:07 PM »
Since learning that they are now sourcing parts from china and such, I'm done with newer Guzzi's. Too many older ones from available for not much money.

Not worth the hassle with few dealers, few parts, arrogant parent company...

I'm thinking my anti-lock module (under the tank) is from Chine'r.    I know the fellow who was suppose to tighten it to the frame wasn't.  (see pic)

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