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gerardasp

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no starting griso1100
« on: July 11, 2015, 11:01:16 AM »
Is there anybody who nows about the starting problems of a griso 1100
when he is 2-3 weeks not used the battery is to low to start.
i have messured the battery every nicht and its going down 0,1 volt per day.
when i messured the amp on the fuses a few seconds it takes some milliamps after connection of my meter.
dealer say s there is no problem.
Is there anybody now how to solve my problem
i am from the netherlands.
Thanks Gerard.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2015, 12:01:20 PM »
It sounds like it may be time to replace your battery. It should be able to hold a charge over 2-3 weeks.  You could also try hooking up a trickle charger, so the battery will stay charged when the bike is not in use.

I have a 2007 Griso 1100, and have no problems leaving it for 2-3 weeks and starting it again.  There is a small current drain when it's idle, but it's pretty small.  Check that there is not some problem with your lights (stuck brake light) or that when you leave it, you don't leave it with the parking light on too.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2015, 12:11:49 PM »
in februari we have the first problems my centauro starts over the winter direct ( no charger connected )
the griso was bought in oktober 2014 in februari he was at the dealer the mount a new battery.
i never had to charge in summer any motorcycle.
the user manual say's when not in use for 3 weeks disconnect the 2 fuses.
the dealer looked at the griso say"s we have to use the stopswitch.
this is not working.
i never heard that on any motorcycle the battery is down after 2 -3 weeks.
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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2015, 12:22:17 PM »
You measure some milliamps across the fuse holder?

The ECU will draw just a tiny bit < 1 mA, it may draw a little more for a few seconds when you first connect it.
After market Voltage regulators draw a little.
A GPS adapter will draw several milliamps, it will flatten the battery in a month or more even without the GPS plugged in.

Which fuse is drawing the current?
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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2015, 12:29:40 PM »
   My 1100 Griso and 1200S will drain the battery after 2-3 weeks of being parked. I attached a 2 wire SAE flat connector to the battery and plug in the bike to a battery tender when its parked.
   A lot of new fuel injected bikes will drain the battery when parked for a couple of weeks.
   The SAE connector is used to power the GPS/Radar detector.
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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2015, 12:50:49 PM »
Note to self; stick with carbs.  REALLY... the ECU draws on the battery when parked?? 
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gerardasp

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2015, 01:25:43 PM »
there is one fuse which draws a little current the one that feeds the ecu you hear a buzzing noise like a relais or the fuel pump.and of course acros the fuse holder without the fuse.

and yes whe found out that a gps connector with a 5 volt usb connector uses ( when connected ) a lot more milliamps than the ecu.
i have the fuse out during parking.

i think i put a little relais in there over the mainswitch to connect when engine runs

So the only way is to put a little trikkle charger over the battery when parked.

My centauro has no voltage drops of the battery a odyssey and has one of the first ecu from moto guzzi.

excuses for my language maby i have some spelling faults i am from the netherlands.
I have read somerwhere there is some problem whit thin wiring on the new guzzi"s

Thanks for all replies
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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2015, 01:30:39 PM »
I had the same problem with my 1100 this spring, a few months after buying a new battery. Took the battery back and had it tested. A first it measured OK but after a longer load test it turned out to have a bad  cell, and I got a free replacement.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2015, 01:42:00 PM »
So i take of one lead and messure the same way every 24 our when ther is a voltage drop the new battery is not good.
which odyssey battery will fits the griso 1100.
Thanks for the replay.
This week i test the battery whe have to work all week so i can test.
Greeting Gerard.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2015, 04:43:22 PM »
Chances are the battery wasn't put into service correctly. Also there are some batteries, (Motobat is one brand sold here.) that are absolute crap. You can't just put  acid into a gel at battery and throw it in the vehicle like a conventional lead acid battery. If in doubt read the instructions.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2015, 05:09:44 PM »
Note to self; stick with carbs.  REALLY... the ECU draws on the battery when parked??



Bad excuse. Lazy dealer I suspect.

Yes, the ECU keeps the memory alive directly from the battery. But the current is very VERY low and it can normally sit like that for a couple of months. Basically, for that long you need to do something to charge the battery anyway.
Plus the modern dashboards have clocks and alarms, which pull a bit.

Sounds like the dealer is coming up with an excuse to not have to work on a problem.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2015, 05:17:59 PM »
Note to self; stick with carbs.  REALLY... the ECU draws on the battery when parked??

Just like virtually every other vehicle built in the twenty first century. Any vehicle that has an imobilizer will have a small current draw. If this is so abhorrent can I suggest you get a horse which doesn't even have a battery?

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2015, 05:56:47 PM »
Remove battery. Transport battery to dealer. Exchange for good, new battery under warranty.

When dealer claims the battery is good, explain they should then have no problem putting it into the next bike they sell and simply giving you the brand new one.

You do this with a stare as if looking into fire and wondering just what it would take to pull their tongue and left ear and connect each to the opposite terminals of said battery. Take along a diagram to explain.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2015, 09:49:23 AM »
I will make a little list of the voltage drop over a week.
And then go to the dealer.
But i m thinking of replacing it with a odyssey battery.
so the quistion is which odyssey battery will fits the griso 1100.
On my Centauro was no problem however i cannot find which odyssey is the correct one for the griso 1100.
And i stil have read somewhere about the thin cables who loses some millivolts and then the ecu thinks battery is down.
Thank for al the replays
« Last Edit: July 12, 2015, 09:50:35 AM by gerardasp »

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2015, 10:09:34 AM »
Stock batt is Yuasa ytx-20 , look up specs, get size that fits w/18-20 ah, good luck
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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2015, 09:26:12 AM »
Problem solved.
Back to the dealer the mechanic make's a bijpass for the starter relais.
And the griso was not working klick klick batterij seems good ( voltage and amp drop).
The have replaced it for a motoblatt battery now the griso starts without problems.
The battery was replaced in februari original type was Yuasa ytx-20.
The dealer give us the motoblatt and a part from the labour kosts for free.
My wife who is riding the griso is happy with the solution and that the kosts are low.
Thanks for everithing and the good comments.
Greeting Gerard.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2015, 11:07:23 AM »
Problem solved.
Back to the dealer the mechanic make's a bijpass for the starter relais.
And the griso was not working klick klick batterij seems good ( voltage and amp drop).
The have replaced it for a motoblatt battery now the griso starts without problems.
The battery was replaced in februari original type was Yuasa ytx-20.
The dealer give us the motoblatt and a part from the labour kosts for free.
My wife who is riding the griso is happy with the solution and that the kosts are low.
Thanks for everithing and the good comments.
Greeting Gerard.

Sorry, Gerard.  If I had seen this earlier, I would have suggested the Startus Interruptus fix, which you have now done.  Should be fine now.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2015, 03:14:49 PM »
Problem solved.
Back to the dealer the mechanic make's a bijpass for the starter relais.
And the griso was not working klick klick batterij seems good ( voltage and amp drop).
The have replaced it for a motoblatt battery now the griso starts without problems.
The battery was replaced in februari original type was Yuasa ytx-20.
The dealer give us the motoblatt and a part from the labour kosts for free.
My wife who is riding the griso is happy with the solution and that the kosts are low.
Thanks for everithing and the good comments.
Greeting Gerard.

Glad to hear all's well, though I can't tell whether the bypass or the battery was the cure.

I forgot to say earlier that my replacement battery that failed after a couple of months was an oem-spec Yuasa, which I went out of my way to get. The second replacement was a generic item from Rocky Mountain supply. I've given up thinking that Yuasas are better than others. Good luck!

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2015, 04:06:14 PM »
everithing works fine now the motoblatt battery is better than the yussa and we are saticfied with the dealer.
Thanks for all the info.
greeting gerard.

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Re: no starting griso1100
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2015, 12:12:54 AM »
Biggest issue with the Yuassa, or other gel-mat batteries is that they aren't put into service properly. My experience with Motobatt batteries has been very disappointing. I wouldn't use one again.

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