Author Topic: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas  (Read 5629 times)

Offline Gliderjohn

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6724
NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« on: August 05, 2015, 02:38:55 PM »
I had about two gallons of mixed two stroke gas go bad on me. Never had that happen before. If it was regular gas I would use it in my old tractor as it will burn just about anything. Have a big bonfire? Could I maybe put about a quart at a time in tractor tank and burn it?
GuzziJohn
John Peters
East Mountains, NM

Online Groover

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 2921
  • If it ain't broke, I'll break it.
    • Scooteropolis
  • Location: Columbus, Ohio
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2015, 02:57:59 PM »
I would. I've done the same with some older 2-stroke fuel, used it in an old mower. Smoked a little, but not a problem.

YMMV, but that's me. I can be a hack sometimes and other times super precise and accurate with stuff. Depends on the love I have for a machine. Since I hate mowing the lawn, well... then my mower gets that same amount of love...  :boxing:



1981 Moto Guzzi V1000G5
1987 Moto Guzzi LM1000SE, a
1987 Moto Guzzi LM1000SE, b
1980 Piaggio Vespa P200E
1980 Piaggio Vespa P125X
1980 Vespa Grande Moped
1980 Vespa SI Moped
http://scooteropolis.com/

Offline Aaron D.

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5882
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2015, 04:40:05 PM »
The amount of oil in modern 2 stroke premix is amazingly small, but even the old 5% mix will burn fine in a tractor. Heck, the oil actually seems to make the gas last longer, and will also likely make the tractor run better.

The other alternative is put it in a bucket and light it.

Offline Gliderjohn

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6724
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2015, 04:51:16 PM »
Quote from Aaron D:
Quote
The other alternative is put it in a bucket and light it.

And then after it is lit how about shooting with a .243 form a safe distance of course in a dirt field at about dusk?  :grin:
GliderJohn
John Peters
East Mountains, NM

Offline Aaron D.

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5882
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2015, 07:13:34 PM »
Yeah!
But if you have a .243, and a few gallon milk jugs, all you need to find would be some of those exploding targets.

Fill jugs, tape targets to jug, wait til dusk, shoot at 50 yards (unless your nose hairs need grooming).

Offline cruzziguzzi

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6151
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2015, 07:41:42 PM »
I put it in baby food jars or their like and mix penetrating fluid outa it.  Great for dragging out with a brush for tractor lug nuts, implement hardware and such. Sometimes some kroil'll get thrown in, sometimes I'll have to cut it with a bit more gas or acetone if it gets gummy.


Todd.
Todd
07 Calvin            77 TT500
95 Sport 1100      04 Breva 750
82 Katana           79 GS850G
72 "Crud"dorado
03 Barely Davidson 883 Huggy
Civilization ends at the waterline. Beyond that, we all enter the food chain, and not always right at the top.

Offline Triple Jim

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5930
    • Lakeland Services Company
  • Location: North Central North Carolina
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2015, 07:43:26 PM »
I quit messing with trying to use bad gasoline when I had an exhaust valve stick from it.
When the Brussels sprout fails to venture from its lair, it is time to roll a beaver up a grassy slope.

Offline rodekyll

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 21218
  • Not my real name
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2015, 07:46:31 PM »
Quote from Aaron D:
And then after it is lit how about shooting with a .243 form a safe distance of course in a dirt field at about dusk?  :grin:
GliderJohn

One of our major wildfires this year came courtesy of just that sort of shit-for-brains asshat.  There was a delay in bringing him in because they couldn't find a bus short enough.

Two gallons in a white bucket with a lid makes a nice solvent dip tank.  The more oil and crap you contaminate it with the better it sticks and penetrates built-on crud.  A guy I knew mixed his old gas with kerosene or stove oil and used it in a solvent tank with a pump.

Offline kevinkaren2011

  • New Egg
  • *
  • Posts: 18
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2015, 07:52:03 PM »
You could throw it into your neighbors yard to kill his grass,,lol..

I've used it for solvent cleaning drive chains or soak your chainsaw chain in it..

I mix up small quantities of mixed gas so I can get fresh more often..I always us 100% gas also.

Offline Gliderjohn

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • Posts: 6724
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2015, 08:33:57 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions. Several good ideas. I will try and refrain from any "hold my beer", youtube recordings. But if I do will post here first.  :boozing:
GliderJohn
John Peters
East Mountains, NM

Offline Idontwantapickle

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 1683
  • The rotation of the earth really makes my day.
  • Location: Closer than farther away
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2015, 08:40:27 PM »
I put nasty old gas in my car. It care-eth not. A gallon of poor fuel in a tank of new is the cleanest, and maybe the only legal, way to dispose of it.
YMMV
Hunter
There is no end to what we can do together.
Sir James Paul McCartney

AMA Charter Life Member

72 Eldo
85 LeMans 1000 Loud, Fast and Red
2007 Norge rivestimento di argento
84 BMW R100RS

Offline Aaron D.

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5882
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2015, 09:36:53 PM »
If it's so bad that it stinks, well, it will evaporate.

Offline TDF

  • Gaggle Mentor
  • ****
  • Posts: 334
  • Location: Seward NE
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2015, 09:59:05 PM »
Got an old diesel car or truck (pre electronically controlled) or know someone with one?  They'll eat up old gas no matter how far gone like a fat kid with an ice cream cone.

I routinely have coworkers ask me what to do with their old mower gas/ two stroke gas or whatever.  My 260,000+ mile Mercedes 240D has gotten a lot of free fuel over the years.  Just throw a gallon or two per tank in and no worries.  If I see any sediment, I run it through a pre filter before adding it.

TDF
1973 V7 Sport
2000 V11 Sport
2000 V11 Quota
2002 MV Agusta F4 750
2000 KTM 640 Duke II
1966 Ducati Sebring 350
1965 Ducati Bronco 125
1958 MDS Super Dart 70
1966 Honda CL77
1949 Ariel VB 600
1983 Husqvarna WR430
1973 Suzuki TS125
68 & 73 CT90's
and the list goes on and on

dibble

  • Guest
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2015, 04:28:51 AM »
The amount of oil in modern 2 stroke premix is amazingly small, but even the old 5% mix will burn fine in a tractor. Heck, the oil actually seems to make the gas last longer, and will also likely make the tractor run better.

Does it make the engine run leaner as its drawing in 5% less combustable fuel each cycle??????

Offline Aaron D.

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 5882
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2015, 06:22:29 AM »
Leaner?!

funny, the scooter world is full of people saying stuff like this. some people have "theorized" that too much oil will cause a seizure!

No, it would run leaner if the reduction in gasoline was taken up with air-but it isn't, it is taken up with cooling oil. Dyno tests back in the day showed 2 strokes ran cooler and made MORE power the more oil that was added.
And besides, it is SOOOO minor.

Offline Texas Turnip

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 2641
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2015, 06:37:40 AM »
I drove tanker for 25 years. For spills we sopped 'em up with pads and let the gas evaporate.

Thanks for not pouring it on far ant mounds, gopher hills, etc.

Tex

Offline Chuck in Indiana

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • *
  • *
  • Posts: 29650
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2015, 07:32:26 AM »
One of our major wildfires this year came courtesy of just that sort of shit-for-brains asshat.  There was a delay in bringing him in because they couldn't find a bus short enough.

Two gallons in a white bucket with a lid makes a nice solvent dip tank.  The more oil and crap you contaminate it with the better it sticks and penetrates built-on crud. A guy I knew mixed his old gas with kerosene or stove oil and used it in a solvent tank with a pump.

Speaking of
Quote
shit-for-brains
Chuck in (Elwood) Indiana/sometimes SoCal
 
87 AeroLario
95 Skorpion tour
25 Triumph Speed 900
"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it."

Mike Tyson

Offline charlie b

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 6941
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2015, 08:07:45 AM »
Got an old diesel car or truck (pre electronically controlled) or know someone with one?  They'll eat up old gas no matter how far gone like a fat kid with an ice cream cone.

I routinely have coworkers ask me what to do with their old mower gas/ two stroke gas or whatever.  My 260,000+ mile Mercedes 240D has gotten a lot of free fuel over the years.  Just throw a gallon or two per tank in and no worries.  If I see any sediment, I run it through a pre filter before adding it.

TDF

"In the old days" the manual for a diesel car said to use one gallon of gas per tank of diesel in cold weather to help starting.
1984 850 T5 (sold)
2009 Dodge Cummins 2500

Offline Trevor G

  • Gaggle Mentor
  • ****
  • Posts: 752
    • thechurch.solutions
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2015, 08:42:50 AM »
"In the old days" the manual for a diesel car said to use one gallon of gas per tank of diesel in cold weather to help starting.

Most probably because of the amount of wax or paraffin, I think it is, in poorly refined diesel fuel.  This causes the diesel fuel to solidify and not flow properly in colder conditions

Certainly in Australia, which doesn't have extremes of cold, there used to be a difference between summer and winter grades of diesel fuel, for this reason.  I'm not sure what the story is now, with Aussie diesel down to 5ppm sulphur. I don't know if that extra refining affects the wax content.

I have a chuckle every time I read the fable on US diesel pumps "Ultra low sulphur content - 15ppm."  ;-)
Was Albury NSW, now Glendale AZ

oldbike54

  • Guest
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2015, 09:28:21 AM »
I quit messing with trying to use bad gasoline when I had an exhaust valve stick from it.

 Uh , hmm , Jim old buddy , 2 strokes don't ... never mind  :grin:

  Dusty

Offline Tobit

  • Gaggle Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 2503
Re: NGC - What to do with bad 2-stroke gas
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2015, 02:49:30 PM »
Don't use it to start a fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIr-GG1_tnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f4lPzxSm5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w09IY73oVjE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA0wUW_p5Ns

Also never use gasoline, in any amount, in a kerosene heater.  After a co-worker tried it many years ago, it was only a year of skin grafts before he was able to return to work. 

Tobit
Roman, '86 LM IV

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol


NEW WILDGUZZI PRODUCT - Moto Guzzi Door Mat
Receive donation credit with door mat purchase!
Advertise Here
 

***Wildguzzi Official Logo High Quality 5 Color Window Decals Back In Stock***
Shipping in USA Only. Awesome quality. Back by popular demand. All proceeds go back into the forum.
Best quality vinyl available today. Easy application.
Advertise Here