Anyone using Windows 10?

[Chuck in Indiana]

Kent, you need to stop drinking the kool aid before you go off the deep end. An Ipad won't do anything that my Android tablet won't do.. and costs considerably more. Besides that, Apple charges you about 100 bux for 16 gig of memory.  The Android has a slot for a memory card. Additional memory is almost free..
Seriously, they are just machines..

[fossil]

Kent,

I don�t know how much you know about avionics, but no authority will approve a consumer electronics device with such specifications as primary flight display. They may be used but only as third-line backup. But you can use a Radio Shack assembly kit for this. You only are not allowed to rely on it.

I know people who navigate with Android smart phones in planes (the apps exists, and I do so just for fun with my Windowsphone when I sit in the rear of a plane). But using such stuff as main navigation device is irresponsible.

No Apple - (or Microsoft - ,or Samsung - )device is approved by any aeronautical authority anywhere in the world.

In german aeronautical magazines it is strongly suggested not to use iPads because above 3000 meters those things tend to overheat.

[charlie b]

Totally flight critical, you need to know what you are talking about. There is no backup for terminal charts in glass cockpits they contain flight instruments with some navigation but not what you need for terminal arrivals. BTW, there is no "dash" in an aircraft

I was keeping it simple for someone who obviously does not fly.  :)

Nope, not flight critical.

[Mark West]

Surprised to see that there were actually a dozen or so real responses to the original post before the inevitable MS vs. Mac flame war began. If you all were to be believed, no productive work was ever accomplished on a mac and a PC never ran for more than a day without crashing. Certainly neither company would still be in business today if their products were as bad as you seem to think.

As someone that has worked with both in a business environment, I know that they all can be made to work and that there are good and bad things about both. What ticks me off about all of them is the damn things keep getting slower despite the dramatic increase in computing power. I swear the 286 machine with 5MB hard drive was faster than my current Win 8 laptop for most things.

What I was hoping to hear was something about whether 10 would run any faster than 8.1 on a relatively new Core i3 (2.4GHz) powered laptop with 4G of ram. I absolutely hate Win 8, but if 10 sucks just as bad and doesn't improve the speed....

[sidecarnutz]

I've had this lap top for three years. Win 8.0. Frustrating POS to use. I finally relegated it to just streaming movies to our TV from Netflix.
Last week I loaded up Win 10 and then it needed a half day to update it. Its like a sleeker version of Win 7. Easy and intuitive to use. Much more productive for me. Now I am setting this one up as my full time computer so I can throw away the worn out POS I've had for seven years. Its keyboard is shorted out and the cursor jumps randomly all over the place as you type. I think my old cat spent too much time sleeping on it. 

[charlie b]

Yes, win10 does run faster than win 8.  :)  I like it enough that I will upgrade the other computers in a couple of months.

[Wayne Orwig]

What I was hoping to hear was something about whether 10 would run any faster than 8.1 on a relatively new Core i3 (2.4GHz) powered laptop with 4G of ram. I absolutely hate Win 8, but if 10 sucks just as bad and doesn't improve the speed....

I have a core I5 tablet. I have not noticed any speed difference with Win 10 over 8.1.
For a touch screen tablet, Win 8.1 may have had a few advantages. Win 10 has a tablet mode, which is close enough. And the normal mode is enough like Win 7 to not 'shock' everyone that doesn't went that learning curve.

Next up for me is to back up and upgrade and 'antique' laptop that is running 8.1. Then my REALLY old desktop.

[Kentktk]

Kent,

I don�t know how much you know about avionics, but no authority will approve a consumer electronics device with such specifications as primary flight display. They may be used but only as third-line backup. But you can use a Radio Shack assembly kit for this. You only are not allowed to rely on it.

I know people who navigate with Android smart phones in planes (the apps exists, and I do so just for fun with my Windowsphone when I sit in the rear of a plane). But using such stuff as main navigation device is irresponsible.

No Apple - (or Microsoft - ,or Samsung - )device is approved by any aeronautical authority anywhere in the world.

In german aeronautical magazines it is strongly suggested not to use iPads because above 3000 meters those things tend to overheat.

It`s not a primary flight instrument it`s use is for enroute and approach charts and approved by the FAA for this use. There are no more paper charts or manuals on most flight decks now.

[rodekyll]

It`s not a primary flight instrument it`s use is for enroute and approach charts and approved by the FAA for this use. There are no more paper charts or manuals on most flight decks now.

So it has no real purpose.

[Chuck in Indiana]

So it has no real purpose.

Actually, believe it or not.. Kent's right on this one.  The FAA is going to quit printing paper charts. (!) It gives me the willies, because I'm a finger on the chart kind of guy, but it is what it is. At least I can use my fone as a backup if the tablet dies. I'll still keep an old outdated real paper chart in the glovebox, though. Even a road map.  <snapping suspenders> I don't trust electronic stuff, although the new tablets and fones are remarkably reliable.

[Wayne Orwig]

Actually, believe it or not.. Kent's right on this one.  The FAA is going to quit printing paper charts.

The point is that there are numerous tools that are, and will be, doing this job. Just not the one fruity one.

[Chuck in Indiana]

The point is that there are numerous tools that are, and will be, doing this job. Just not the one fruity one.

Well, sure.

[rodekyll]

We've been using 'rolling charts' in marine navigation for decades.   The only platform I've never seen running marine nav is the fruity stuff. 

[ITSec]

We've been using 'rolling charts' in marine navigation for decades.   The only platform I've never seen running marine nav is the fruity stuff.

Although there is that wonderful story about the Navy ship that had to be taken out of service because of its Windows-based software! (OK, it was Windows NT, but that was arguably one of the best versions!) 

[ITSec]

I found a rather good write-up on Slate, addressing how to establish privacy (as much as can be done) in Windows 10. It's worth a read by anyone wanting to get some control of their Win10 installations. See: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.single.html

[jdgretz]

Here's a pretty good rundown on what you can and cannot do with and Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) depending on what kind of aircraft you fly.  As a Part 91 pilot flying an aircraft that is under the 12,500 mark, you can use the EFB and it's up to you to ensure it does not interfere with your other electronics, etc.  There is no requirement to have a backup set of physical maps.  If however, you are flying Part 91F, 121, or 135, then there are a bunch of other requirements that must be met, including having a backup source for your EFB, which can be an other EFB which meets the same set of requirements.

Not used as a PFD, but only as a substitute for paper charts, maps, checklists, etc.

http://ipadpilotnews.com/2015/03/ipad-legal-briefing-pilots-need-know/

jdg

[rodekyll]

Thanks for pointing us toward some actual data.  I notice this particular article is written to an ipad user audience.  As you read it it important to keep in mind that while ipads apparently qualify for some parts, they are not the only qualifying devices.  The FAA is not showing any mfgr preferences.  The required functions and device features exist on many different mfgr's devices.

[Kentktk]

.  The FAA is not showing any mfgr preferences.

But Airlines are showing a preference for the iPad and it costs the most. Must be because it`s a better tool. Why else would they spend more money than necessary. 

[Kentktk]

Actually, believe it or not.. Kent's right on this one. 

Thank you 

[Tom]

FOCUS............FO CUS.........the thread was started about the new OS,  Windows 10.

[rodekyll]

But Airlines are showing a preference for the iPad and it costs the most. Must be because it`s a better tool. Why else would they spend more money than necessary. 

There is no evidence of that other than you saying so. 

[Kentktk]

Dude, reading for you, including this little blurb.

The first thought many pilots, not to mention passengers, may have is: What happens if the iPad or the app crashes?
Jeff Buhl, Jeppesen's product manager for the Mobile TC app, says the Apple iOS operating system and the app proved "extremely stable" during testing. In the "unlikely" event of a software crash, he says, it takes but a moment to get them running again.
"The recovery time for an application crashing or the OS crashing is extremely rapid," Buhl says.
During the evaluation period with the FAA, the production app did not crash. But even if it did, Buhl says it's ready to go again "in 4-6 seconds from re-launch to previous state."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockpit_iPads
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/02/28/FAA.approves.iPads/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/travel/ipads-in-airline-cockpits/
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/air-canada-national-grid-use-apple-ibm-apps-united-airlines-renewed-ipad-program-1457472

[ITSec]

FOCUS............FOCUS.........the thread was started about the new OS,  Windows 10.

Thanks, Tom. I needed that. 

[Tom]

Thought, I'd throw that in.    Now back to the fist fight. 

[rodekyll]

Dude, reading for you, including this little blurb.

The first thought many pilots, not to mention passengers, may have is: What happens if the iPad or the app crashes?
Jeff Buhl, Jeppesen's product manager for the Mobile TC app, says the Apple iOS operating system and the app proved "extremely stable" during testing. In the "unlikely" event of a software crash, he says, it takes but a moment to get them running again.
"The recovery time for an application crashing or the OS crashing is extremely rapid," Buhl says.
During the evaluation period with the FAA, the production app did not crash. But even if it did, Buhl says it's ready to go again "in 4-6 seconds from re-launch to previous state."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockpit_iPads
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/02/28/FAA.approves.iPads/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/14/travel/ipads-in-airline-cockpits/
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/air-canada-national-grid-use-apple-ibm-apps-united-airlines-renewed-ipad-program-1457472

Now if you could read the FAR instead of the wikkipedia you'd notice that the FAA doesn't specify ANY product -- hardware or software.  In fact, if you read the notice to airmen included in the link you'd learn that the FAA doesn't evaluate PEDs at all.  It lists specifications that must be met by any 'electronic flight bag'.  The ipad is not mentioned in the FAR.  Basically it says that the PED (portable electronic device) being used as a EfB must be able to hold and display compressed charts, operate at altitude, and not die under rapid decompression.  It allows the mfgr to state whether or not the device meets specs.   For large turbine aircraft there must also be a backup device accessible on the flight deck.  Pay particular attention to the last point -- the FAA has the SAME confidence in an ipad as it does any other PED  --  limited.

I'll be flying again later today.  I'll chat up a pilot and get some first-hand poop.

Thought, I'd throw that in.    Now back to the fist fight. 

Thanks, Tom.  I'm sure having fun with it. 

[Tom]

Believe it or not.  I'm learning something through all of this.   

[Markcarovilli]

Believe it or not.  I'm learning something through all of this.   

All tho nothing about Windows 10  ........

Mark

[Chuck in Indiana]

The reason there are more ipads in the cockpit is because there are more companies that write software for them. It has nothing to do with which system is "better."

[Kentktk]

The reason there are more ipads in the cockpit is because there are more companies that write software for them. It has nothing to do with which system is "better."

The companies writing software are in it for the money, so the better and most used system is going to get the most software written, ie iPad.

[Chuck in Indiana]

The companies writing software are in it for the money, so the better and most used system is going to get the most software written, ie iPad.

Nope. When this all started, there were several versions of the Android OS. The software designers focused on the Ipad at first because it was easier. It has nothing whatsoever to do with which system is "better." Now, you can get the same stuff on Android, and there is no difference to the end user in how it operates.