2016 V7 II Scrambler

[brlawson]

Nick,

Let me know if you need to sell the Coppa Italia for a down payment. There can't be much room left in your garage.

[Nick]

Nick,

Let me know if you need to sell the Coppa Italia for a down payment. There can't be much room left in your garage.

Naaahhhh! Plenty of room for another shed.....but thanks for the kind offer 

[jas67]

Something else to consider; BMW is coming out with a scrambler & cafe racer version of it's tempting R Nine T which is supposed to be cheaper than the R Nine T.  This likely put's the more powerful BMW relatively close in price to this MG Scrambler - but with ~100 rear wheel HP.  However cool it may be, might make this new v7 scrambler a tough sell when compared to the competition.

Steve

I'd say that the motivation to make a Scrambler model would be to answer Ducati's Scrambler.

Just shy of $11k for the Guzzi Scrambler is going to be a tough sell against the $8-9k Ducati Scrambler with 50% more HP.

[jas67]

I will never understand the scrambler obsession. No matter the brand they are the ugliest thing I have ever seen.... But maybe it's just me. 

I dunno if I'd say it is the ugliest thing that I've ever seen, but, I don't really get it either.    It's not any more off road capable than a regular V7.    The high pipe just messes up luggage options, and potentially causes rider and/or passenger discomfort in the form ao heat.

[Kev m]

The $9290 Special has been named Scrambler in The USA and has been given a $10990 price tag.

If you go to the accessories catalog and price the exhaust, flyscreen, side covers, and whatever other bits have been added to the Special, it's probably not out of line.

The R9T is a $15000 motorcycle and is pretty basic.  I don't know how BMW can sell them much cheaper with Scrambler bits added.  There's nothing to take off of a basic R9T.

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Suspension. The article I read some months back claimed they were going to use a much cheaper/more basic suspension and maybe eliminate a few other costly bits.

[Loftness]

Also, keep in mind that all the Scrambler accessories will fit previous year V7s.  You could buy a leftover 2014 V7 Special for $6290+ right now, and spend the $3000 in customer cash on blinging it out with Scrambler stuff.

Not necessarily true.  As of now the Guzzi Scrambler pipes are listed as a fit for the V7II only.  We're trying to get a better answer from them as to whether or not the pipes will fit the previous V7 models.

[rocker59]

Arrow lists two scrambler systems. One for V7 and one for V7-ll. Plus Mistral and Agostini have scrambler systems

[Bill Hagan]

I will never understand the scrambler obsession. No matter the brand they are the ugliest thing I have ever seen.... But maybe it's just me. 

I dunno if I'd say it is the ugliest thing that I've ever seen, but, I don't really get it either.    It's not any more off road capable than a regular V7.    The high pipe just messes up luggage options, and potentially causes rider and/or passenger discomfort in the form ao heat.

As I said below (or above, depending on how you read these things), I am more likely to get a (red) basic V7 than the scrambler, but also think that part of the appeal for many of us who "were there," is that all scramblers evoke pleasant reveries of that iconic Honda of the mid-60's ...





Never owned one, but, as a 19-YO, I lusted after those ... and some other equally unobtainable hot-blooded creatures. 

This new Guzzi reminds me of the 305 ... and some other numbers of the time.   

Bill

[Loftness]

Arrow lists two scrambler systems. One for V7 and one for V7-ll. Plus Mistral and Agostini have scrambler systems

Yes sorry I was just referring to the system that 'comes with' the new V7II Special.  That one is listed specifically for the newest models only.  Of course there are other alternatives for turning current/previous models into scrambler types.  On that note we're probably going to get a couple Agostini versions to try out and sell.  Looking forward to seeing how they look.

[rocker59]

I do wonder what the difference would be for a scrambler system for V7 and V7-ll. I can understand differences for a low system and the lower frame rails of the -ll.

[fossil]

From the Moto Guzzi Garage website (Scrambler kit exhaust): "Available also  for version without ABS 2014 (product code 2S000313)." The product code for the newer bikes is 2S000311. But please observe that several other items also have to be exchanged.
The difference lies in that the engine is positioned differently in the V7 and the V7II.

Regarding the "ugliness" of the scramblers: the Honda CL 450 was the first bike that came into my mind also when I thought of a nice scrambler. The new Ducati is not. My dealer has both models side by side, the Guzzi and the Ducati (he carries both lines). The Guzzi looks ready for business, the Ducati like a toy. Sitting on it reminds me of my old Honda Dax.

[Kev m]

Generally speaking I could care less about the Scrambler genre. I don't need/want off-road/dirt road ability, I don't like high pipes, and I have no tie to scrambles as an activity.

That said, Scramblers DO speak to me more than day Sport Tourers or Sportbikes, if only from a size and visual simplicity standpoint.

As a matter of fact the Ducati (I've not ridden it yet, but have examined them up close multiple times) is probably the ONLY product they currently build that I'd buy from them.

I really don't get Fossil's comments, as there is nothing about the Duc that strikes me as weak or incapable or otherwise "toy-like" except maybe the diminutive size, but that's part of the point/purpose.

[jas67]

I do wonder what the difference would be for a scrambler system for V7 and V7-ll. I can understand differences for a low system and the lower frame rails of the -ll.

The engine sits at a different angle, thus, the exhaust ports are at a different angle.

[fossil]

Kev, that´s simple. Sitting on my V7 Stone lets me think I am sitting on a not-that-big, but proper bike. Sitting on the Monster 1200 (and driving it) lets me thing there is a no-that-big, but very, very nicely-made, highly capable bike stitched to my back. Sitting on the Scrambler (I haven´t driven that thing up do now) makes me think this is a moped. I just can´t take it serious.

I admit this is of course my very own opinion. But such are the reasons why people buy this bike. Or that.

[Kev m]

Kev, that�s simple. Sitting on my V7 Stone lets me think I am sitting on a not-that-big, but proper bike. Sitting on the Monster 1200 (and driving it) lets me thing there is a no-that-big, but very, very nicely-made, highly capable bike stitched to my back. Sitting on the Scrambler (I haven�t driven that thing up do now) makes me think this is a moped. I just can�t take it serious.

I admit this is of course my very own opinion. But such are the reasons why people buy this bike. Or that.

Hey if you're saying it's a matter of taste (subjective perception), cool. I'm not going to try and tell you what to like.

I'm just saying that as objectively as I can tell the bike seems to be (looks/feels) like a quality product.

To ME it appears similar to our 696 Monster which has proven itself to be a tough, reliable, and capable little bike and I like that.

I also like the fact that like a V7, Bonnie, or Sportster, the Duc Scrambler appears to be a blank canvas that the owner can make into his/her own vision.

The current Monsters have gone far away from that and offer a level of performance and complexity that don't interest me.

[fossil]

Of course the air-cooled monsters are bikes that - in a way - are similar to the Guzzis. They have sound, they have a different, but in a way classic look, and they speak to the soul of a driver directly. The Testastretta - Monsters are in a very different ballpark. But driving one for two days (when the V7 got an inspection) was interesting. Because prior I thought these things are - like a BMW 1200 GS, which dominates the German market with a share of about 25% - highly capable but boring. This is not so. It is docile (which astounded me), but it is a loud, rattling, happy and - if you want to - hooliganesque machine that is pure joy to ride. In the looks department I by far prefer the stone but I have to admit the Monster 1200 could make me happy. Of course not when an inspection is becoming due.

Any way, the Monster feeled well-made (as does a Panigale, a Multistrada, and all the others). The Scrambler does not feel this way.

[Zinfan]

Forget the high pipe, whenever I see a Scrambler post I hope to find an engine skid plate has been made.

[rocker59]

Forget the high pipe, whenever I see a Scrambler post I hope to find an engine skid plate has been made.

http://www.baakmotocyclettes.com/en/home/34-engine-spoiler-for-v7-moto-guzzi.html

[Irn]

Steve I read the whole saga of your Duc ST3, wow you were so supportive of the new owner and did not dump on the dealer even though it was proven he did serious damage to your ride.  Enjoy the Goose life, great folks on this board, and in person.

[Kev m]

I'd say that the motivation to make a Scrambler model would be to answer Ducati's Scrambler.

Just shy of $11k for the Guzzi Scrambler is going to be a tough sell against the $8-9k Ducati Scrambler with 50% more HP.

Uhhh, wait a minute. I was just researching the Ducati Scrambler and I remembered this post.

You're exaggerating the price differences in favor of the Ducati there

2016 V7 II Scrambler (Special) - $10,990

Ducati Icon Scrambler - $8595
Ducati Urban Enduro, Classic, or Full Throttle - $9995

So it's more like $11k vs. $9-10k (not 8-9)... that closes the gap a bit.

But still at the end of the day, I don't think a lot of people are going to be swayed by $1k give or take on a new bike between these brands.

THOSE WHO WOULD BE SWAYED BY $1k aren't buying a new Italian bike, they're getting something from JAPanInc.

[twowheeladdict]

Uhhh, wait a minute. I was just researching the Ducati Scrambler and I remembered this post.

You're exaggerating the price differences in favor of the Ducati there

2016 V7 II Scrambler (Special) - $10,990

Ducati Icon Scrambler - $8595
Ducati Urban Enduro, Classic, or Full Throttle - $9995

So it's more like $11k vs. $9-10k (not 8-9)... that closes the gap a bit.

But still at the end of the day, I don't think a lot of people are going to be swayed by $1k give or take on a new bike between these brands.

THOSE WHO WOULD BE SWAYED BY $1k aren't buying a new Italian bike, they're getting something from JAPanInc.

the price I was quoted on a scram let icon was $10,000 before tax, tag, and title.  Don't let the $8500 magazine price fool you.  If I could buy one for $8500, I would have one.  Going to have to wait a couple years until the novelty wears off.

[sturgeon]

Just an anecdotal note about the Ducati ...

I met a guy in Whitehorse (at the Klondike Rib & Salmon joint if anyone is interested) a couple of weeks ago, who was riding one from somewhere in AK to Toronto. It (and he) was properly dirty so I asked him what he thought of it. I'm paraphrasing a bit here but he said he liked it but that it was really a town bike and not a proper scrambler to use in the dirt. I expect the same will be as true or moreso of the MG version. All the serrated pegs and high exhausts in the world won't make these things worthy of anything but the tamest twin-track.

But they sure look purty 

[Kev m]

Sturgeon,

Not for nothing... but I don't think MOST people really think a Scrambler is for dirt riding anymore than most Adventure Tourers are... or that people really think most modern Cafés are really for racing etc.

It's a style thing, with many of the looks and functions of the genre, but still predominantly meant for the road. And that's fine with me (and probably most riders).

[jas67]

Sturgeon,

Not for nothing... but I don't think MOST people really think a Scrambler is for dirt riding anymore than most Adventure Tourers are... or that people really think most modern Caf�s are really for racing etc.

It's a style thing, with many of the looks and functions of the genre, but still predominantly meant for the road. And that's fine with me (and probably most riders).

ADV Tourers are much more likely to be ridden in the dirt.   I ride with a bunch of people who do a lot of off road riding on their R1200GS's, and, I'm talking more than just twin-track.   Now, that said, if the ride is mostly single track, then, several of them have smaller, lighter bikes for that duty, but, they're not afraid to get the big GS's dirty on single track.     

The Scramblers from Triumph, MG, and Ducati, are likely to never get off road, even on dual track.

[motrhead]

Plenty of the Triumph Scramblers are being used off road, and they have proved to be a real scrambler...if I do get the V7 it will end up dirty, just like my Stelvio.

[sturgeon]

Sturgeon,

Not for nothing... but I don't think MOST people really think a Scrambler is for dirt riding anymore than most Adventure Tourers are... or that people really think most modern Caf�s are really for racing etc.

It's a style thing, with many of the looks and functions of the genre, but still predominantly meant for the road. And that's fine with me (and probably most riders).

Yep, just pointing out the obvious after I saw a reply talking about the need to upgrade the pegs to an offroad style for better grip. I use an F800GS for my 'scrambling' adventures, although my V7 has been down lots of nasty gravel roads. I just take it a bit easier on the V7 to make sure I don't tear the oil pan off or launch myself into the weeds. Hell, I've even ridden my 1150RT on dirt on occasion, although I didn't really like it much.

[Kev m]

ADV Tourers are much more likely to be ridden in the dirt.   I ride with a bunch of people who do a lot of off road riding on their R1200GS's, and, I'm talking more than just twin-track.   Now, that said, if the ride is mostly single track, then, several of them have smaller, lighter bikes for that duty, but, they're not afraid to get the big GS's dirty on single track.     

The Scramblers from Triumph, MG, and Ducati, are likely to never get off road, even on dual track.

No Jay.

I completely disagree with your assessment.

Your small circle of friends aside, the VAST MAJORITY of GS's, Hyperstrada's, Tigers, Versus, VStroms etc. are just like MOST SUVs and never leave pavement for anything more than a dirt road.

Similarly, the Scrambler genre is not meant to be an adventure tourer or what the dirt bike had evolved into for say Moto Cross. They're supposed to harken to what was available for a scramble decades ago. And just like MOST Adventure Tourers, MOST will likely never see such use past a fire road.

EXCEPTIONS in both categories don't disprove the majority.

[tazio]

 Kawasaki marketed their 1960's 650 TT Commander (the high pipe scrambler) using wording
" This is a real high speed touring motorcycle."
~I got this info. from their brochure

Marketing people sure try to cover as many bases as consumers will buy into..

[Bill Hagan]

Kawasaki marketed their 1960's 650 TT Commander (the high pipe scrambler) using wording
" This is a real high speed touring motorcycle."
~I got this info. from their brochure

Marketing people sure try to cover as many bases as consumers will buy into..

You are such a cynic.  You probably won't fit in well here.   

Bill

[tazio]

You are such a cynic.  You probably won't fit in well here.   

Bill

 

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