EICMA 2015 - New V7 Roamer/Bobber and MGX-21 Bagger The photos are rolling in.

[zedXmick]

That's a disappointment...th at bike looks tiny....that hipster weighs about 140 lbs and maybe 5' 6" tall and he looks kinda cramped on that bike. No way in hell a 6' 4" dude with a 34 inch leg inseam would fit on that thing.  Just what the world needs....another mid sized cruiser. Moto Guzzi could have done much better. I like the V7 line much better...just want a little more engine in the V7 lineup.

[Kev m]

oil cooler too.

My guess is this is the new 850, and 65 HP on the ground.  Look out Sportsters and Bonnies.

Let's hope. That COULD put it in Ducati 696/796 - Monster/Scrambler territory standpoint, assuming it's in the same ballpark for weight at the current smallblock.

[Peter from Sch'dy]

Appears they found room for ABS as well. Is it now mandatory?

Best,
Peter

[bpreynolds]

Duc Scramblers and Bolts selling like hotcakes in these parts and mostly all over as I understand it.  Vast majority of riders I see on these bikes around here are younger folks. 

[bad Chad]

The guy riding the bike is not a hipster, almost certainly a Guzzi test rider of typical Italian size.  He doesn't looked squeezed at all to me, his knees are not even close to a 90 angle to hips, so I suspect there may be considerably more leg room than on the current small block.

[bpreynolds]

The guy riding the bike is not a hipster, almost certainly a Guzzi test rider of typical Italian size.  He doesn't looked squeezed at all to me, his knees are not even close to a 90 angle to hips, so I suspect there may be considerably more leg room than on the current small block.

Wait a minute!  Stop the presses.  I've got it.  Why bother with dumbarse subtlety.  It should be called the all new MOTO GUZZI V7 HIPSTER.  Or wait, even better, the Guzzi HIPSTAR. 

[rocker59]

Appears they found room for ABS as well. Is it now mandatory?

Best,
Peter

Yes. In Europe.

[rocker59]

Son of Ippogrifo?

Not as high spec in the chassis department as the Ipo.

Ipo has cantilevered monoshock and Marzocchi M1 fork

[canuguzzi]

No... but chances are good. I see so many young people now in SF. Maybe it's just me getting older but I see mostly under 30's there now. Apartment rentals are very had to find and the average 1 bdr 800 sqft apartment is renting for $2900/$3100 per month. Over 50's aren't paying that.

Yeah it's scary. Two months rent for a decent plays buys you a new bike of your choice. Decent means nice 1 bedroom, 4 grand easy.

The 23-30 crowd have serious money to spend and they aren't buying yet another cruiser style bike, they walk out with sport and sportier nakeds.

The younger people don't seem to be interested in the legs forward back arched riding style, those days have passed, its starting to catch up to the manufacturers. That is why Honda came out with their CB500X series.

These youngsters are wearing Bilt helmets and coveralls either, they get top of the line Shoei, Schuberth, Arai helmets and wear Dianesee blue jeans and $1500 jackets. I am not saying anything bad about Bilt  or coveralls but times have changed and in the cities these kids are pulling in good money and not buying tired old cruiser style designs.

BMW sells a boatload of F800s, Honda, the CB500, Kawasaki the VersysYamaha their naked sport style bikes.

Cruisers and ADVs are for the older people as is much of the over 750-800cc market.

A another cruiser type MG is just an also ran but never quite made it.

[bpreynolds]

A another cruiser type MG is just an also ran but never quite made it.

I'm looking at the same bike here and it certainly doesn't look like Harley.  Is the Bolt a cruiser?  I'm not sure.  Is the Scrambler a cruiser?  I don't think so.  The Bonnie?  Maybe.  I get the same vague notion of this being a "cruiser" as well.

[Penderic]

They probably dont want to make the mule too pretty or it might steal/slow potential sales from the existing models in inventory.

[rocker59]

They probably dont want to make the mule too pretty or it might steal/slow potential sales from the existing models in inventory.

The bungee cord and duct tape holding the tail light and license plate would fit right in at the average Guzzi campout here in flyover country!  LOL! 

[ohiorider]

I'll wait and see (and hold tight on $$ from recent Griso sale) until I see some stuff from MG at the fall bike shows in Europe.  If it's another cruiser as in the feet forward, butt down low in the saddle ..... sorry ..... I'm off to something else.  Come on Guzzi, you know how to build a standard .... just do it!  It's not their best seller by far, but even BMW has the balls to build the R1200R.

[Chuck in Indiana]

The Ippo had beefier forks and a monoshock. Pretty sporty in it's day 20 FREEKIN YEARS AGO! <grumble grumble, shufflin off>

[mwrenn]

I want those 4 valve heads from that engine...if its not an OHC design, I would put them on my Racer and ditch the Lario heads...

[LowRyter]

The bungee cord and duct tape holding the tail light and license plate would fit right in at the average Guzzi campout here in flyover country!  LOL!

I find that offensive.  It's true but offensive.

[wavedog]

I think the bike is a step in the right direction except for that ridiculously gargantuan front tire and semi slammed rear suspension. Perhaps there will be other variations of this model. One feature on the bike that I find noteworthy is the grim anti-smiley face on the headlight. Well played, Mandello.

[Carlo DeSantis]

Ohiorider sayeth:

"It's not their best seller by far, but even BMW has the balls to build the R1200R."

But it just might be BMW's best kept secret.  The advice is usually to not take your checkbook to an R1200R demo ride :)

Best,

Carlo

[jas67]

All this is pure speculation, but if they do come out with a small block 850, I would expect them to phase out the 750 as they did with the earlier displacement small blocks.  Then focus on the 850 / 6 speed as their new best seller. Will have 8V,  and dual disks up front would be nice.   Get rid of the Racer with the number plates and all its bling, and call the new 850 with clipons and rear sets the  "LeMans".

You heard it first right here!

 

[jas67]

My BMW F800R is around 75 hp.  I filled up yesterday: 3.3 gallon at 208 miles.  63 mpg.   

Mike

My F800GT is 90 HP (crank).   I average 53 MPG  commuting, and 55-60 MPG on longer rides.    My '13 V7R averages 45-48 MPG commuting, and 48-50 MPG on longer rides.

[canuguzzi]

The pics have some old Suzuki twin written all over it. Like something you might see at a learner permit riding school. Same kind of seat. Make the saddle in tan and it would fit right in at Starbucks on a Sunday morning with the rider standing in line for a vanilla latte wearing a vinyl outfit that sticks to itself.

[Dogwalker]

A different test model on Motorcycle.com http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2016-moto-guzzi-v7-variants-spy-photos.html







Note that the second tank does not seem to have the "turret".

[jas67]

I hate the first one with  fat tires,  very thin seat, and drag bars.    It is a variation on the often done "brat" style.
The look itself isn't so bad, but, the resulting bike is probably unconfortable due to the seat, and poor handling due to chunky front tire.

The second one isn't so bad, but, I'm not a fan of the fuel tank shape, and wold rater see the traditional V7 fuel tank.

I am, however excited by the prospect of a 65 HP V7, even though I'm perfectly happy with the 50 HP of the current models.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Curmudgeon Editor Burns notes, “Footpegs moved forward lower seat pullback handlebar smaller gas tank dual exhausts that’ll probably drag around every corner! Don’t know why they didn’t do it years ago!”

And I was hoping for a modernized Ippo.. <sigh>

[Kev m]

Jay, go take a look at the front tire on your Duc. Don't assume poor handling based on a few spy photos.

[leafman60]

This is all a good sign and in line with what I was told at the factory last year.  They have an updated engine in that size category.  Lets hope that it lives up to expectations of improved performance.

That they originally show it in a cruiser/standard platform doesn't bug me too much.  My guess is that other iterations will be forthcoming. In fact, this may end up being the heart of the new Baby Stelvio many people have desired.

Looks like the swingarm and maybe other drivetrain items are retained.

[Dogwalker]

The Swingarm is old flavored, but is completely new. It's thicker, has different ribs, and a different system for retaining the wheel's hub.

[Chuck in Indiana]

The Swingarm is old flavored, but is completely new. It's thicker, has different ribs, and a different system for retaining the wheel's hub.

Yep. I posted a while back that about everything looks new.

[blackcat]

I hope the bungee will be offered as an accessory.

Not my cup of tea, but if the basic platform folds into the V7 with more HP and better suspension that would be a good thing for sales.

[Kev m]

Not my cup of tea, but if the basic platform folds into the V7 with more HP and better suspension that would be a good thing for sales.

It's funny cause you would think this WOULD be my cup of tea...but I can't get past that tank.

I know some will scoff, but the tank shape was always part of my love/hate relationship with my Jackal (and arguably my Breva too).

The tank SHAPE is SO IMPORTANT to me visually (and functionally from a size and airflow perspective).

So I kinda hope along the same lines as you, but I'm wondering how they could possibly do that?

If this is basically a smallblock frame, then I know there was little clearance between the tank on my V7 and the cylinders. I can't imagine they have room for it?

Some were wondering if this tank wasn't designed to be covered with a shroud (God I hope it is, I really don't like the shape). I would think the Cali 1400 style shroud with cut-outs could mostly preserve a more "traditional" shape, closer to the V7. But of course, you would lose the range.