EICMA 2015 - New V7 Roamer/Bobber and MGX-21 Bagger The photos are rolling in.

[Dogwalker]

The white "Scrambler" would still be the V7 II 750.  Hence the current valve covers.

Maybe that's the new Stornello?

It is. The name is engraved in the aluminium flank. It's a V7 II with the complete Scrambler Kit factory mounted.

[Loftness]

GAKK! 

Oh go find a set of carbs to clean.   

[Aaron D.]

Ya know I just realized that Pete and Steve are both older than Me, Jay, Cam, Rocker, and I'm assuming BPRey and Aaron too.


I'm just saying.


And yeah, I'm liking em more. Still prefer the V7 tank, but I don't have any other real objections.

Here's the funny thing-I'm not only older than you, I'm older than Pete. At least in geezer years.

Otherwise, I'm just a kid!

[pauldaytona]

own model website: http://v9.motoguzzi.com/en/

[Kev m]

Here's the funny thing-I'm not only older than you, I'm older than Pete. At least in geezer years.

Otherwise, I'm just a kid!

Lol, that's OK, you're young at heart and Pete is obviously a curmudgeon with one bollock. 

[jas67]

Moto Guzzi's motorcycle range expands with the arrival of the V9, a totally new mid-size custom bike, which comes in two versions with distinct styles and character.
The V9 Roamer and the V9 Bobber are Moto Guzzi's easy cruisers, light, agile and built for excitement, like all Moto Guzzis, at Mandello del Lario.
The V9 Roamer, an evolution of the Nevada, is an elegant and universal custom; the V9 Bobber is the daring and essential soul of the V9. Both stand our for the exceptional quality of their components and high grade finishes.
The V9 sees the debut of the new 850 cc twin cylinder euro 4 engine, whose unprecedented torque, smoothness and responsiveness improve the ride of the two Italian cruisers, both extraordinary in the typical Moto Guzzi tradition.

Well, for those that compared it to the Nevada, Moto Guzzi sees this as the "evolution of the Nevada."

Well, in my eyes, it certainly is an improvement over the Nevada.

I see things I prefer in both the Bobber and Roamer.

I'd prefer the narrow front tire and the handlebar clamp of the Roamer, with the blacked out exhaust, and mirrors of the Bobber.

The handle bars are higher than I'd like.   I'd likely put a flat or lower rise bar into the Roamer's lower handlebar clamp.

I think that Guzzi have done a good job of making a competitor to the Sportster 48 and Bolt, while not cloning them.   The V9 go after the same market, while being distinctively different from both of those bikes.

I think that it will sell well.

I think the next V9 model should have a thicker seat, and a tank design that will visually work with said thicker seat, as the current V9 tank goes nicely with the painfully thin seat.

I could see Guzzi building a very nice mid-sized tourer from the V9 platform.   It should have a 5.5-6 gallon fuel tank, and longer, thicker seat.   The fuel tank doesn't necessarily need to have the same shape as the V7, as much as I like that tank.   I'm sure they can come up with something attractive that would be fitting for a touring classic standard, which further differentiates it from the Roamer and Bobber.

[Kev m]

own model website: http://v9.motoguzzi.com/en/

I think they might be hitting the right formula to expand their market.

The marketing hyperbole is not badly written if a bit hokey, but that's expected and you can't argue it often strikes cords in potential buyers.

I can't even disagree with it:

A real rider knows that all this also counts in the saddle. Absolute power is not everything. The important thing is to use it to the fullest, just like the V9, with its new 850cc V2 heart, designed to deliver a vigorous torque. And to be responsive and ready when needed.

One thing I noted, they specify STEEL fenders.

That's an improvement over the particularly cheap plastic on my beloved V7.

I could actually see buying one of these (Bobber version).

[oldbike54]

 Apparently WG is inhabited by several


                                                                       HIPSTERS

 

  Dusty

[bpreynolds]

I totally apologize and I'm certainly, absolutely not wanting to bring this whole issue up again but have they published the actual tank size exactly?

[Dogwalker]

have they published the actual tank size exactly?

15 l, 3.9 gallons.

[scura283]

Lots of info here http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/11/new-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-and-bobber-feature-850cc-v-twin/
The V9 Roamer and the V9 Bobber have a new power unit, as usual built at the Moto Guzzi plant in Mandello del Largo. This is of course a 90° transverse V-twin air and oil cooled engine, a set-up used in all current Moto Guzzi engines, albeit with different engine capacities and performance, which provides excellent riding dynamics and a unique sound. It was developed with the explicit aim of maximising torque and elasticity, key aspects for ensuring riding pleasure and on road fun. Starting from the bottom of the engine, the new aluminium crankcase stiffened at the key points, has a new oil pan and an inertia calibrated crankshaft for liveliness and the correct engine braking. Inside the lubrication system is designed to dispose of the greater heat capacity and reduce power absorption to the benefit of both performance and fuel consumption. The ventilation system reduces power loss due to pumping within the crank chambers and a new low flow oil pump that absorbs less power. The oil pump suction pipe is new as is the bypass valve. There are new piston cooling oil jets with check valve and flow management. The alternator cover is also new and now includes the blow-by gas output.

In the upper part of the engine, the thermodynamics are completely new. Aluminium heads, pistons and cylinders are designed to make the most of the engine’s characteristics. Its cubic capacity is provided by bore and stroke values of 84×77 mm. Distribution is controlled by a pushrod system and there are two valves per cylinder set at an incline in the head (and no longer parallel, as on the V7 II engine). The fuel supply uses a one-piece Marelli electronic injection system. The electronic engine control unit is new. Of note is the presence in the entrance heads of the auxiliary air system, which, combined with the three-way catalytic converter, the double oxygen sensor and the total redesign of the engine, bring the twin 850 Moto Guzzi into compliance with EU4 standards. The unit is capable of 62 Nm of torque at just 3,000 revs/min, with a maximum power of 55 HP at 6,250 r/min, figures ​​that show Moto Guzzi’s commitment to achieving high levels of torque even at low rpms. This engine boasts surprising a character and responsiveness, which contribute to a really exciting riding experience. A version with the power limited to 35 kW is available, in line with the restrictions of an A2 licence and ideal for new Guzzi riders, who can also enjoy a record low total weight and the general ease of riding of both V9s.

Another innovative aspect of the 850 Moto Guzzi engine is the 179 mm diameter single dry plate clutch, providing a perfect transmission of torque and power with no jerkiness or hesitation. This increases robustness and reliability over time and decreases the load on the handlebar lever, for better controllability and riding comfort. The six-speed gearbox is new, precise and with a soft clutch, which benefits from unprecedented ratios that make the most of the torque and engine power. The final transmission is carried out by a new double-jointed drive shaft offset by the increased size and the new bevel gear, which provides solid and reliable management of the powerful torque supplied by the twin engine. The cast aluminium swingarm has been designed and sized to support engine performance, as well as to accommodate the new 150 mm tyre.

[Kev m]

Apparently WG is inhabited by several


                                                                       HIPSTERS

 

  Dusty

Ya know, maybe I'd rather be a little Hipster than a lot of curmudgeon.

Maybe this is the bike that saves....

[lazlokovacs]

FWIW and I hate to say this but...

I was born in the 1980s and I think that these two bikes look cobbled together and completely lack the harmony and the visual impression of a unified sense of purpose that defines a good looking italian motorcycle.

off the top of my head eg. ducati desmo 350, guzzi v7 sport, morbidelli racers, lemans, daytona, ducati ss, monster, griso, 1098, almost any mv augusta...

Reading the website is an exercise in total agony. No actual information, just a load of hype and surely the concept of consumerism has gone completely insane when you can click on the image of the fella riding the bike to see the precise attitude of 'individuality' that you can buy with this motorcycle.

such is modern advertising, I guess.

If it was a stylish bike one could at least say 'style over substance'

sorry to be negative.... just wanted to point out its not only old geezers that don't get it.

(the optional leather panniers look good? the engine might be brilliant? trying to be positive..)

[bpreynolds]

Ya know, maybe I'd rather be a little Hipster than a lot of curmudgeon.

Maybe this is the bike that saves....

Maybe that's a Guzzi specific brand of buyer???   A Curmudgster?  A hipmudgeon?   

What I'm also kinda wondering is if those windshields listed in the V9 catalog of bling - and different than the V7 offerings - would bolt up to my Stone?   They seem headlight mounted maybe.

[Kev m]

sorry to be negative.... just wanted to point out its not only old geezers that don't get it.

It's ok, maybe you're an old soul... 

[blackcat]

The V9 is definitely better, in fact vastly better than the Nevada, but it still has that look. The new tank is just the transition from that previous look....

Well, for those that compared it to the Nevada, Moto Guzzi sees this as the "evolution of the Nevada."

[oldbike54]

Maybe that's a Guzzi specific brand of buyer???   A Curmudgster?  A hipmudgeon?   

What I'm also kinda wondering is if those windshields listed in the V9 catalog of bling - and different than the V7 offerings - would bolt up to my Stone?   They seem headlight mounted maybe.

 "Curmudgster" , sounds like a good name for a new model MG
 
               
                                        Introducing the all new for 2017 Curmudgster

  Dusty

[JJ]

Nor this beauty!

 

I believe awhile back, there was a thread here that The Amazonas was a candidate for one of the "Ugliest Motorcycles Ever Built!"  

[Dogwalker]

MGX 21

[Semper-guzzi]

I like both iterations of the V9. Only negative I can find is fuel capacity. Should still be good for at least 200 miles. The MGX 21 "flying fortress" throws me off tho. The rear wheel and front wheel don't match. Don't know if it will sell well or not. Factory bagger and bobber are cool tho.

[rocker59]

Holy Crap!  What's wrong with me ?!?!?!

As much as I hated the MGX-21 concept, I have to admit that the finished product looks much better.

The 2-up seat, new rear fender, and the bags really look right on that bike..



 

[Chuck in Indiana]

I think it's the long red hair, Rocker.. 

[jas67]

I have to admit, I do like the red heads on it, and the bags look decent on it, but, that fairing is ugly, IMHO.

That said, I'm not the target audience for this one.   As I've said in the V9 threads, if it brings more buyers to the brand, then it is a good thing.

[rocker59]

Thought I'd update the thread title, since this has turned into the "2015 EICMA thread"

[bad Chad]

 

And anyone get the specs to down load off the v9 web site?  I tried, but I didn't get anything.

[oldbike54]

MGX 21

 I like it , a bit like the Kawasaki Vaquero .

  Dusty

[mojohand]

So the Griso is dead, at least as far as an ABS version is concerned. No "muscle" bike in the inventory. Norge and Stelvio? I suppose they'll limp on a couple more years with paint changes.

Kinda sad, to me. Nothing in the lineup now would pull me away from my FJR or Street Triple R. If they'd come out with an ABS Griso, as I already told Chelsea Lahmers at Scoot Richmond, I'd be trading my STripleR in on one.

So it goes. For the cruiser crowd and the small-block lower-speed crowd, Guzzi has delivered a bunch of swell goodies. Yes, that V9 is pretty sweet...yet only 5hp more than the V7 doesn't exactly wow me. That's just my own opinion and only for my taste, style, wallet, and interests.

[bpreynolds]

So the Griso is dead, at least as far as an ABS version is concerned. No "muscle" bike in the inventory. Norge and Stelvio? I suppose they'll limp on a couple more years with paint changes.

Kinda sad, to me. Nothing in the lineup now would pull me away from my FJR or Street Triple R. If they'd come out with an ABS Griso, as I already told Chelsea Lahmers at Scoot Richmond, I'd be trading my STripleR in on one.

So it goes. For the cruiser crowd and the small-block lower-speed crowd, Guzzi has delivered a bunch of swell goodies. Yes, that V9 is pretty sweet...yet only 5hp more than the V7 doesn't exactly wow me. That's just my own opinion and only for my taste, style, wallet, and interests.

I came off a 106 horsepower older version of a Streety.  Fantastic motorcycle.  Probably one of the best, well engineered bikes ever, I think.  But truth be told, I never fully bonded with it in my soul, but I respected the crap out of it each and every day I owned it.  Even still, coming off that bike I have not once wished my new V7 Stone had more power in its first 5k miles.  It gets around cars quickly even on the highway, cruises at 80 more smoothly than just about any bike I've ever driven, and has me at the pump less than any motorcycle I've ever owned including smaller bikes.  As stated previously and most unexpectedly, it has become the best bike of all time for me.  As always, however, another rider's experience may vary.  There will be a time when I again want a fun bike and when I do I'll just park it happily next to my totally satisfying V7.   

[PJPR01]

So small and large and nothing in the middle - pretty good categorization of the current trends.  All the more reason my sweet and smooth 2 Valve Norge will be in my garage and on the road for a long time, perhaps with a Stelvio too.  Although some may think the Norge is a pig, I think it's the perfect balance of speed, touring and design with plenty of character, I might even paint it Smoked Black Cherry one of these days just to give it a facelift!

On the other hand, just about every brand goes thru duller periods of design - think about when Chris Bangle came in and screwed up (in my humble opinion) the design of the BMW, and for many years Audi was really boring until Martin daSilva came and designed the A5 (what better combination than Italian design and German engineering! Ja Wohl!!)  and then other models in the Audi lineup really started to look innovative.  Perhaps not every new addition to the product line can have the design wow factor of a Centauro or a Griso, and there will be lulls as they gather their creative juices for another run at it.  Look how long it took Alfa to come up with something really exciting with the new Giulia...and so on and so on.

To quote a famous SNL comedian:  The Holy Roman empire - was none of the above...discuss and talk amongst yourselves!  ha ha!

[blackcat]

I would say that the biggest wow factor for Guzzi in recent history was the MGS/01, and with it came lots of free press.