Author Topic: New MG dealer selling conterfeit jackets (Read 14233 times)

sdhow · « **on:** October 23, 2015, 01:35:25 PM »

So the Marina del Rey, CA dealer just added Guzzi to his offerings (has been a Vespa dealer for some time now). He's buying "knock off" leather jackets (not bad quality) out of Pakistan for about $150, then sells them in the factory dealership and on eBay for $299:

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/mcd/5281499937.html

I wonder if Piaggio is aware...

sib · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:43:13 PM »

So, what puts them in the "knock off" category? Surely you don't expect them to me made at the Moto Guzzi factory. Even some OEM Moto Guzzi parts are made in far-flung places such as Germany, Viet Nam, Taiwan, etc. I'd like to know where I can buy one for "about $150".

Two Checks · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:44:09 PM »

And just how do we know these are knockoffs?

rocker59 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:45:46 PM »

Quote from: sib on October 23, 2015, 01:43:13 PM

So, what puts them in the "knock off" category? Surely you don't expect them to me made at the Moto Guzzi factory. Even some OEM Moto Guzzi parts are made in far-flung places such as Germany, Viet Nam, Taiwan, etc. I'd like to know where I can buy one for "about $150".

Not a licensed product. That's what.

Sasquatch Jim · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:48:14 PM »

Does Moto guzzi sell jackets? If not, how can they be counterfeit?

Just because some "other" aftermarket jacket manufacturer begins selling them does not make them counterfeit.

Two Checks · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:51:55 PM »

How do we know they aren't licensed?

oldbike54 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2015, 01:52:58 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on October 23, 2015, 01:45:46 PM

Not a licensed product. That's what.

Yeah , this may be a problem if Piaggio decides to make it one . Do we know for sure if the dealer has an agreement or not with the mothership ?

Dusty

Hacksaw · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2015, 02:01:39 PM »

I was going to mention that this type of post, in as much as it lacks evidence of wrong doing, would run afoul of Rule 1. of this board.
buuuuuuut since a Moderator was quick to jump on the bandwagon of the potentially libelous post, I suppose pointing it out would do little good.

oldbike54 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2015, 02:27:15 PM »

Quote from: Hacksaw on October 23, 2015, 02:01:39 PM

I was going to mention that this type of post, in as much as it lacks evidence of wrong doing, would run afoul of Rule 1. of this board.
buuuuuuut since a Moderator was quick to jump on the bandwagon of the potentially libelous post, I suppose pointing it out would do little good.

Actually both mods

Although yes , you are correct , maybe we should gather more facts before accusing this dealer of wrongdoing

Dusty

cruzziguzzi · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2015, 02:30:45 PM »

So where's the outrage?

That they are perceived to be "conterfeit" or the mark-up?

It's a wonderfully convenient common source of anger to ascribe the difference between what a dealer pays and what a dealer receives as undo, dare I say it... is it not in essence a naughty word.... Profit.

Our man pays A and asks B and in between, this item has to help pay fixed site costs of rent or a mortgage, insurance, utilities, employee fiscal encumbrances, outrageous regulatory costs in licensing and compliance blackmail monies and "food on the table" for the man who dares run a small business these days.

So what is it; Where the jackets come from, perceived profit, assumption that he's gettin' over on the consumer or MG?...

Todd.

HDGoose · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2015, 02:56:01 PM »

Quote from: cruzziguzzi on October 23, 2015, 02:30:45 PM

So where's the outrage?

That they are perceived to be "conterfeit" or the mark-up?

It's a wonderfully convenient common source of anger to ascribe the difference between what a dealer pays and what a dealer receives as undo, dare I say it... is it not in essence a naughty word.... Profit.

Our man pays A and asks B and in between, this item has to help pay fixed site costs of rent or a mortgage, insurance, utilities, employee fiscal encumbrances, outrageous regulatory costs in licensing and compliance blackmail monies and "food on the table" for the man who dares run a small business these days.

So what is it; Where the jackets come from, perceived profit, assumption that he's gettin' over on the consumer or MG?...

Todd.

Guzzi dealer profit?

Tobit · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:13:35 PM »

Nice looking jacket but too short waisted for my taste. If the leather is good quality, adequate thickness and stitched well I don't care where it came from. It's not like it's being passed off as a Bates, Aerostich or Belstaff and who would know if the logo is correct or from what period.

Wonder if it bleeds red when rained upon?

Tobit

rdbandkab · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:15:20 PM »

Prolly wouldn't look too bad after a season or two...

LaGrasta · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:28:48 PM »

Yes, those are counterfeit as well as God awful looking. Could they have placed the logo on there more times? yuk!

Two Checks · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:37:54 PM »

Again, how do we KNOW they are counterfeit?

Aaron D. · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:39:23 PM »

Has Guzzi actually licensed or claimed anything in this channel?

Heck, the Indian apparel is made in Vietnam, so how can you tell?

pikipiki · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:40:44 PM »

Does an official Motoguzzi badge exist.

I'll buy one of those and stitch it on my own jacket.

rodekyll · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:42:16 PM »

A 'counterfeit' would be something that mimics the real item that is represented and sold as the real item. What real item does this jacket mimic? Is it being sold in place of a genuine article while claiming to be that item? I have articles of clothing personalized to a dozen or more MG dealers. Are they all counterfeits? Counterfeits of what?

I'm a bit appalled that the moderators nuked the cager rager topic but are actively participating in this dealer bashing. Has moderation become a matter of the moderator's personal taste in topics, or are the rules still in effect?

Tobit · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:44:04 PM »

Here's one straight from Pakistan.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Black-Moto-Guzzi-white-Logo-Motorcycle-Racing-Biker-Leather-Jacket-XS-6XL-/321888607551?hash=item4af20e5d3f:g:tS8AAOSwBahVTgXV

Tobit

Loftness · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2015, 03:57:41 PM »

What's the point of this thread? Sounds like an enterprising Guzzi dealer to me.

Listen, the bottom line with Guzzi in the US, and probably elsewhere, is there's a dire lack of marketing and merchandising. They know this, and they've actually started to get some gear out and available, but it's not like they're making a major effort to get their stuff to the masses. Hence Guzzi customers and dealers have been making their own versions of shirts, hats, etc for years and selling them at Rallies and Shops.

Our own shop approached Guzzi a couple years ago and asked if it would be ok to print our own shirts and their response was basically, "Knock yourselves out."

So again...what's your point?

guzziownr · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:01:51 PM »

Agreed, Guzzi could care less. If they wanted to make U.S. dealers happy they would have all kinds of merch -- in U.S. sizes! Sniff, they don't care! They just don't!

canuguzzi · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:07:07 PM »

There might be and I stress might be a trademark/ copyright infringement but the jacket itself, if not already being made by MG would not be counterfeit.

Just because something isn't made in Italy doesn't mean it can't be genuine MG or properly licensed product.

MG can take of itself.

Before accusing a dealer is doing this, better be darn sure or showing face around there might be complicated and word travels. Could find yourself persona non grata at a bunch of dealers.

Demar · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:12:09 PM »

I would hope MG is more interested in solving the Stelvio Swing arm failures than worrying about "counterfeit" jackets, but, perhaps not.

bad Chad · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:46:41 PM »

Once again, three failures out of thousands. I would hope Guzzi is or has been proactive on this, and is making sure their in not a systematic issue at hand, until we learn otherwise, I think we can do without the Sky is falling scare.

As to genuine guzzi jackets and apparel, they can be seen here at this pdf of the official Guzzi Asecory catalog. And yes the jackets shown at the start of this thread are illegal boot legs.
http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/mgaccy.pdf

Triple Jim · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2015, 04:50:06 PM »

This is the first time I've noticed someone running "MOTO" and "GUZZI" together, with no space. I don't like it.

bpreynolds · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:06:02 PM »

Uhhhhh. This thread has more fake outrage going than MSNBC and Fox combined.

rodekyll · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:22:15 PM »

My favorite leather jacket is from India/Pakistan. It's an X-PERT and has all the features I've ever wanted in a leather jacket. It's excellent quality and the price is very good. I've only seen one other person with one in my travels, so it's not a common, boring design, either.

http://www.eagleleather.com/Men%27s-Utility-Pocket-Jacket-3035/

The price here is about $100 more than when I bought mine a zillion years ago. Sales bring it down to near the zillion-y-o price. The utility pocket is what makes it work for me.

Penderic · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:41:05 PM »

Is this the jacket?

elvisboy77 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2015, 05:58:51 PM »

Heck I can't even get an order placed for REAL Guzzi accessories - my dealer says the accessory rep is non responsive- bad part number on hard bags? How could Guzzi be worried about someone else selling Guzzi stuff? They can't sell it themselves!

Mike Harper · « **Reply #29 on:** October 23, 2015, 06:41:11 PM »

At least he is a Moto Guzzi Dealer and not some guys selling parts and doing nothing to support the marque.

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Author Topic: New MG dealer selling conterfeit jackets (Read 14233 times)

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