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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2015, 07:49:22 AM »
Buy it. Tell him to not warm up the bike before you get there so you know exactly how hard it is to start.

  First and always first is the easy kick with the clutch lever pulled in to free the plates....If it's above 50F just flood the carbs with the tickler,one easy kick with the ignition off to draw fuel into the intake, turn on ignition and one "smart" kick...If it doesn't start it's broken or you're kicking like girl...

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2015, 08:14:16 AM »
  First and always first is the easy kick with the clutch lever pulled in to free the plates....If it's above 50F just flood the carbs with the tickler,one easy kick with the ignition off to draw fuel into the intake, turn on ignition and one "smart" kick...

Exactly...  :thumb:

I have had friends question my love for Triumphs for years, talking trash about how hard they are to start justr as if they knew what they were talking about, having never owned any, the usual experts that have never even kicked one over until they see me start them in just this manner.

In proper tune, they always go right off.

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2015, 08:18:45 AM »
make your own experience , buy it and then if/when you get tired , sell it and get a beemer.

easy.

 Well , and that sounds easy , not always so easy to do . One of the myriad of issues with theses bikes is the rear brake that locks completely , often times badly enough to cause a crash . The rear master cylinder and caliper are poorly designed and located , usually after this many years , even attempting to use that rear brake can lead to disaster . 16,000 miles sounds low, but on these things can mean it will need lots of money and effort to get going .


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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2015, 08:24:04 AM »
Buy just for the experience if nothing else. There's nothing else like a vintage Brit Bike. I doubt you will loose money on it. People talk about "real Motorcycles". This is one of them. You have other bikes. This will be fine for weekend rides, not cross country trips.

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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2015, 08:30:45 AM »
Exactly...  :thumb:

I have had friends question my love for Triumphs for years, talking trash about how hard they are to start justr as if they knew what they were talking about, having never owned any, the usual experts that have never even kicked one over until they see me start them in just this manner.

In proper tune, they always go right off.

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 That is very true , overheard a guy bragging about his prowess tuning so his Triumph would always start first kick , sort of indicating this took some special knowledge and skill . Little did he know that my '70 model was right out side the little bar we were in (gasp , but I was young) . Didn't directly challenge the guy , but did invite him to view the R model , and casually started it with one firm kick while the small group he was holding forth with watched .


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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2015, 09:00:04 AM »
  First and always first is the easy kick with the clutch lever pulled in to free the plates....If it's above 50F just flood the carbs with the tickler,one easy kick with the ignition off to draw fuel into the intake, turn on ignition and one "smart" kick...If it doesn't start it's broken or you're kicking like girl...

I have a Norton, so I'm familiar with the dance but I still don't want a warmed up bike when I come to look at a possible purchase.
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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2015, 09:42:15 AM »
I have a Norton, so I'm familiar with the dance but I still don't want a warmed up bike when I come to look at a possible purchase.
You're correct about observing the cold start....And the worst thing you can do do an old Brit bike is rev the shit out of engine when first started from cold. cast iron barrels and aluminum cases and heads need a little time to come up to temperature and "adjust" to the situation...Running them hard when cold can cause more oil leaks than usual...
 I put Triumphs together with only a head gasket and an the special thick primary cover gasket....all other joints get hand dressed and anaerobic sealer  They don't leak oil.....Well, they get a little damp hear and there underneath but a wipe with a rag during the monthly inspection takes care of it...Like an aircraft or a fine woman,they need scheduled attention for best performance...
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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2015, 11:36:50 AM »
I'm glad to have my '70 Tiger -- it's beaucoup fun to ride. But the constant maintenance made me want something more dependable as a light around-town bike. I'll probably sell the Trumpet to someone who wants to do a full cosmetic restoration.
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2015, 11:50:33 AM »
 Someone jog my memory here . Weren't the U.S. spec 1978 Triumphs equipped with MK 2 Amals replacing the older MK 1 concentrics , and the Lucas Rita ignition system , which worked great , until it didn't .

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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2015, 12:04:35 PM »
Someone jog my memory here . Weren't the U.S. spec 1978 Triumphs equipped with MK 2 Amals replacing the older MK 1 concentrics , and the Lucas Rita ignition system , which worked great , until it didn't .

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 I'm no paper specification expert on later Triumphs.....I believe they might have been a modified Amal  Concentric mark I...so called Amal 1.5. There were Bings on some years in some markets. Brand new Amal Concentrics made in the UK with the needed improvements are only $150 each from many US vendors..Other reliable electronic ignitions are available for about 150 bucks...But the 78 may still have points...
  All the years I rode Triumphs and only had one breakdown where the bike had to be hauled back home....And that was last year when the kick starter broke and the bike couldn't be bump started with the Pazon electronic ignition...
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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2015, 12:12:51 PM »
I'm no paper specification expert on later Triumphs.....I believe they might have been a modified Amal  Concentric mark I...so called Amal 1.5. There were Bings on some years in some markets. Brand new Amal Concentrics made in the UK with the needed improvements are only $150 each from many US vendors..Other reliable electronic ignitions are available for about 150 bucks...But the 78 may still have points...
  All the years I rode Triumphs and only had one breakdown where the bike had to be hauled back home....And that was last year when the kick starter broke and the bike couldn't be bump started with the Pazon electronic ignition...

 Well , rode the dang things all over the country , and actually only had to be hauled home , hmm , never  :laugh: However , the fact is unless one likes to wrench , there are better vintage choices . How in the world did you break a kickstart lever ? Aren't you about my size , 170 LBS or so , remind me to not get in kicking range  :grin:

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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2015, 02:38:31 PM »
 Yeah, 6 foot 165.......My bike was a cafe racer with a fold in lever from a Yamaha XS 650 to clear the rear set foot peg...The home made  pinch  bolt sheared at a gas station...
   I used to ride a Triumph about 3500 miles a year back in the 1970's.I wasn't a long distance rider... Tighten bolts once a month but the points and valve stayed in adjustment all summer. One summer it was my only transportation and it was one of those summers when it rains alot...Ride to work and the bike sat all day out in the rain , at the end of the work day, hop on, one kick and ride home. It was my magic carpet and I rode  on all kinds of adventures with crazy women... maybe the memories are better than the bike, but that's ok ...

     

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2015, 01:05:58 AM »
You guys have convinced me an old Triumph isnt for me....I guess Ive gotten spoiled by the solidness of my old Guzzis! The old Bonnevilles sure are pretty, though.
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« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2015, 06:21:08 AM »
You guys have convinced me an old Triumph isnt for me....I guess Ive gotten spoiled by the solidness of my old Guzzis! The old Bonnevilles sure are pretty, though.
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 Rick, it boils down to this ; if you like it and you are good at fixing small problems that may come up, go for it. But for sure go look at one close up and take a ride....

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2015, 01:34:15 PM »
After owning a number of vintage bikes over the years I have made it a rule to avoid bikes that vibrate heavily. Vibration tears up everything over time: wiring, sheet metal, frames (riders...). Stick to oldsters like Airheads, Guzzis, and Norton Commandos. Good primary balance and rubber engine mounts are your friends.
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« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2015, 06:25:50 PM »
Here we go again  :laugh: Buy an airhead , maybe not as cool , but it won't be nearly as frustrating to own . For years those Brits were my ride of choice , being stubborn and all , but after 20 years of owning both , the old beemers are just a better bike. Of course the next poster will say exactly the opposite  :laugh:

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I had a '79 Bonnie in beautiful condition, well cared for and ran great around Atlanta.
One day, took a ride to Daytona and back, almost...
Removed spark plug because she went down to one cylinder. Peering into hole I could see the top of connecting rod.
Holed a piston. Game over.
Several years later I would ride my 1970 R75/5 BMW to Mexico and back, also commuted 40k miles in two years on it.
IT NEVER MISSED A BEAT
That said, I loved the way I felt on the Triumph, so pretty as she was, and had no regrets.
Just keep 'em close to home..



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« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2015, 06:43:11 PM »
I had a '79 Bonnie in beautiful condition, well cared for and ran great around Atlanta.
One day, took a ride to Daytona and back, almost...
Removed spark plug because she went down to one cylinder. Peering into hole I could see the top of connecting rod.
Holed a piston. Game over.
Several years later I would ride my 1970 R75/5 BMW to Mexico and back, also commuted 40k miles in two years on it.
IT NEVER MISSED A BEAT
That said, I loved the way I felt on the Triumph, so pretty as she was, and had no regrets.
Just keep 'em close to home..

 "Never leave home WITH it" in other words  :evil:

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2015, 07:43:40 PM »
I had a '79 Bonnie in beautiful condition, well cared for and ran great around Atlanta.
One day, took a ride to Daytona and back, almost...
Removed spark plug because she went down to one cylinder. Peering into hole I could see the top of connecting rod.
Holed a piston. Game over.
Several years later I would ride my 1970 R75/5 BMW to Mexico and back, also commuted 40k miles in two years on it.
IT NEVER MISSED A BEAT
That said, I loved the way I felt on the Triumph, so pretty as she was, and had no regrets.
Just keep 'em close to home..

Any bike will come apart if you don't know how to work on it, don't know how to tune it, and ride it wrong.

I do know how to work on mine, I know how to tune them so they don't hole pistons, and I know how to ride them.   That's how my '55 BSA M21, my '61 A10, my '69 Firebird, and my '75 Norton have been seen in every state from Georgia to Tennessee to Ohio to New York to Massachusetts, on their own two wheels, and with no holes in their pistons ...

All you have to do is figure it out instead of moaning about how they won't go far, and you can ride them where you want to .....

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2015, 08:52:12 PM »
Any bike will come apart if you don't know how to work on it, don't know how to tune it, and ride it wrong.

I do know how to work on mine, I know how to tune them so they don't hole pistons, and I know how to ride them.   That's how my '55 BSA M21, my '61 A10, my '69 Firebird, and my '75 Norton have been seen in every state from Georgia to Tennessee to Ohio to New York to Massachusetts, on their own two wheels, and with no holes in their pistons ...

All you have to do is figure it out instead of moaning about how they won't go far, and you can ride them where you want to .....

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..no moaning here, just one persons first hand account. Beautiful running bike, right 'till the end..

"Any bike will come apart if you don't know how to work on it, don't know how to tune it, and ride it wrong."
True enough, though some are destined to come apart unless upgrades are made ( flat tappet Stelvio  :coffee:).
Surely you have made upgrades, or modifications to your ol'scoots ?  Theseus' paradox as it were?
Just saying some older bikes need a little more "help" than others to cover the big miles. :afro:


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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2015, 09:03:02 PM »
..no moaning here, just one persons first hand account. Beautiful running bike, right 'till the end..

"Any bike will come apart if you don't know how to work on it, don't know how to tune it, and ride it wrong."
True enough, though some are destined to come apart unless upgrades are made ( flat tappet Stelvio  :coffee:).
Surely you have made upgrades, or modifications to your ol'scoots ?  Theseus' paradox as it were?
Just saying some older bikes need a little more "help" than others to cover the big miles. :afro:


..added the "afro" dood for fun, though I'm not sure why...

 I like "afro" dood  :laugh: Yeah , the difference between an old Brit and an airhead is this . The old Brit is gonna need some , er , attention . The airhead will suffer abuse and neglect all the while not shaking its rider into submission . Someone earlier made the statement that the Brit will be faster , , well maybe to 50 MPH , after that the beemer of equal displacement will not be left behind , and at 100 MPH the BMW's mirrors will still be clear .

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2015, 09:38:07 PM »
  I still wish I had mine. Crap steel common breaks to frame behind the shocks and side stand. Crapelectrics. I put about 20000 miles on mine before it vibrated apart. Most fun I ever had on a bike, but the beast is a close second.
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2015, 10:06:59 PM »
..no moaning here, just one persons first hand account. Beautiful running bike, right 'till the end..

"Any bike will come apart if you don't know how to work on it, don't know how to tune it, and ride it wrong."
True enough, though some are destined to come apart unless upgrades are made ( flat tappet Stelvio  :coffee:).
Surely you have made upgrades, or modifications to your ol'scoots ?  Theseus' paradox as it were?
Just saying some older bikes need a little more "help" than others to cover the big miles. :afro:


..added the "afro" dood for fun, though I'm not sure why...

They do better with upgrades.   They can be made not to vibrate.   They have some moving parts (like primary chains) that need attention.

Just addressing the "Don't take them far from home" and "They'll all blow up" noise and vibes I keep hearing.    Info on old Brits is turning into Urban Legend.    My actual experience, and that of a lot of people I know, is different.   And ... none of the tappets on any of these old Brits have worn out yet!

Just sayin' ......

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2015, 10:09:47 PM »
  ...at 100 MPH the BMW's mirrors will still be clear .

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And you can keep it there all day.

You'll have to stop and wait for the chase truck pretty regularly on a vintage Brit bike.

My Norton buddy from over Okmulgee way has some good stories about the runs to Rockers vs Mods in Dallas !!!
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« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2015, 10:11:27 PM »
And you can keep it there all day.

You'll have to stop and wait for the chase truck pretty regularly on a vintage Brit bike.

My Norton buddy from over Okmulgee way has some good stories about the runs to Rockers vs Mods in Dallas !!!

 Yeah , and I have proof of that , where's Mike D ? :grin:

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2015, 12:51:46 AM »
The stupidity and arrogance was all on the part of the factories themselves. They like a lot of British  firms at that time were badly run and dominated by the unions. It was a relieve when they stopped making outdated poorly built machines that were only being bought by diehards who wouldn't accept the Japanese made a far superior bike.

Jeepers! that's a very simplistic view of those times, and kind of inaccurate because of it.  I'd better not get into that.

If that 750 is as nice as it looks (and you would need someone to hear and ride it to be sure) I'd go for it.  (I do wonder why it had to be rebuilt after such a low millage though)

Sure the old Brit twins needed a bit more care and attention than bikes that either produced no power but due to huge capacity would run a long time, or those that were designed to be maintenance free but then fall apart after 3 years, but that care and attention was easy to give.

Personally I prefer the 650 That Tobit gave a link to, but the price is way high.

I assume, that since you are looking at another bike, your health is doing OK?
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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2015, 01:01:11 AM »
All a Brit parallel twin  needs (Assuming it doesn't have compression's of 64 to 1 or is seriously out of tune) to be absolutely smooth is dynamic balancing to the correct factor. For some reason the factories did not do it dynamically. Probably a cost thing. You could do a reasonable job statically though. Just not as good.
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« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2015, 06:50:29 AM »
All a Brit parallel twin  needs (Assuming it doesn't have compression's of 64 to 1 or is seriously out of tune) to be absolutely smooth is dynamic balancing to the correct factor. For some reason the factories did not do it dynamically. Probably a cost thing. You could do a reasonable job statically though. Just not as good.

Talk about coincidence - saw this post yesterday:

http://www.britbike.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=623497#Post623497

A '78 Triumph and a BMW airhead out for a ride, and the BMW came home in a van .... !   (First picture and caption on post 1).

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« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2015, 08:10:29 AM »
 Lannis, you take long rides on Brit bikes, you own an A10? In all honesty are any vintage 360 degree 650-750 twins considered smooth at hiway speeds compared to lets say a Tonti frame Guzzi? In 45 years I've never ridden a Brit Bike I would call smooth over 50 mph unless riding fast on back roads and fully focused on riding....I will say the 55 A10 I had was the smoothest despite having a hot cam and higher compression...

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« Reply #58 on: October 30, 2015, 08:46:06 AM »
Lannis, you take long rides on Brit bikes, you own an A10? In all honesty are any vintage 360 degree 650-750 twins considered smooth at hiway speeds compared to lets say a Tonti frame Guzzi? In 45 years I've never ridden a Brit Bike I would call smooth over 50 mph unless riding fast on back roads and fully focused on riding....I will say the 55 A10 I had was the smoothest despite having a hot cam and higher compression...

My '61 A10 took Fay and I 2500 miles around the UK, and has taken me on several 1000 - 1500 mile weekends here every year since, with no trouble except spinning the rear wheel bearing with a 500 pound payload ... It's smooth enough at 65 MPH so that my hands don't go numb and nothing cracks or unscrews, mainly due to the soft compression and the overall mass of the bike compared to the power of the engine.   It's all stock including the magneto, dynamo, original 6v regulator, etc.

My '69 Firebird Scrambler has carried me a lot further, and has never let me down on the road.   Back about 10 years ago, I had the engine rebuilt including $100 for getting the crank dynamically balanced.   I also have a Boyer ignition so that the relative timing between the cylinders is determined by the geometry of the stator plate, NOT some combination of point gap and dwell compromises between the two sets of points.   These two things knock out almost all the vibration.

It's as smooth up to about 70 MPH as my SP.   I don't ride it harder than that (hundreds of miles from home) any more than anyone today rides a /2 BMW at 80 MPH down the interstate all day long ....

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Re: 78 Triumph Bonneville , opinions?
« Reply #59 on: October 30, 2015, 09:05:41 AM »
 Interesting... dispute riding Brit bikes with balancing by well know experts and electronic ignitions, none of them were as smooth as the 85 Guzzi Cali bobber at 70 mph...
 It's not the bars or foot pegs but vibration that seems coming from the seat that blurrs my vision. I tried all sorts of cushioning and devices but nothing really helped. 10 years back I though maybe I had some sort of vision issue and stop riding for 6 years....Now I ride a Guzzi , Buell ( at low speeds the Buell does blurr vision a bit) or modern Japanese sport bike and no vision problem. ....Maybe years of thrashing hot rod Triumphs has reduced my tolerance of vibration . 
 Maybe I need to ride one of your Brit bikes......Or stand on the pegs all the time...

 


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