New V9 Moto Guzzi Roamer love/hate fest

[Vasco DG]

I'd like to see where? There really is very little space on a Griso.

Oh, the Piaggio site is back up and running but there is no parts list available yet for the V9 so I can't categorically confirm or deny what *New* stuff is lurking in this supposedly *New* engine.

Pete

[Dogwalker]

I'd like to see where? There really is very little space on a Griso.

Like in the most obvious place, the underseat (where usually there isn't a lighter socket). The thing will occupy approx half of the space there.


Not to say that they could have far more underseat space using the Alba / BB1 solution for the air filter, that's homologated, and works better than the original one.



Plenty of space over that gearbox.

[Vasco DG]

With all of the piping and electronics it would still be a nightmare even if it did fit. The stock airbox works well, I have no idea as the the benefits or otherwise of the ghastly Alba thingy.

Pete

[Dogwalker]

That's a standard Griso vs an Alba (standard 1200 4V engine), both measured by the magazine "Motociclismo".

[Vasco DG]

I've read plenty about the Alba. Nothing about it impressed me.

Pete

[jas67]

It was dropped.  But not because of this new small block.

It was dropped because it was more than a decade old, didn't sell in large numbers, and didn't make a lot of money.

Remember when they dropped the price from $14490 to $12490 USD in order to sell them?  MSRP did creep up to $12990, but it was still priced thousands below the Norge and Stelvio.

 
The Griso is still on the motoguzzi.com and motoguzzi-us.com web sites.

[Dogwalker]

I've read plenty about the Alba. Nothing about it impressed me.

I wrote: Not to say that they could have far more underseat space using the Alba / BB1 solution for the air filter, that's homologated, and works better than the original one.
Not that the Alba have to impress you.

[pikipiki]

So they revised the frame (slightly) presumably to allow more space for components.
Revised the engine presumably for emissions and to bring power in line with opposition.
They then decided to test water with some new designs which are more like triumph and Harley offerings or a Nevada replacement as showing the new platform in Racer, Scrambler, Norge...Grisso et al form would show too much intention.

By around 2017 there will be an 850 small Guzzi of some form or other, (probably 2 similar but different style bikes). If existing models like the V7 Special are selling expect these to be last to be V9 upgraded a couple of years later.

[Dogwalker]

There is always the question of the Euro-4 compliance. It will be mandatory from 1st january 2017.
So they have to decide if making the current 750 euro 4 compliant, adopt the 850 for all the SB line, or reducing the displacement of the new 850 for the V7 line.

[pauldaytona]

I've read plenty about the Alba. Nothing about it impressed me.

Pete

The Alba is one to see in real, then the lines work better, but driving it is even better, It feels clever made. And except the single TB with other ecu engine was stock, I was told but couldn't believe it, so eager it was. 

Notice same classic color choice.

[pauldaytona]

There is always the question of the Euro-4 compliance. It will be mandatory from 1st january 2017.
So they have to decide if making the current 750 euro 4 compliant, adopt the 850 for all the SB line, or reducing the displacement of the new 850 for the V7 line.

 The Audace is euro 4, that way all 1400 cane be done, I don't know if same works for the 1200 engines. Or that they need the 5/7sm ecu to do it.
 

[Vasco DG]

I wrote: Not to say that they could have far more underseat space using the Alba / BB1 solution for the air filter, that's homologated, and works better than the original one.
Not that the Alba have to impress you.

But then you put up a picture of a dyno chart. Why do that if not to try and impress? It had no relevance to the question was of whether or not you could fit an ABS pump.

Perhaps I should be more specific. There is nowhere on a Griso you could easily mount an ABS pump. You could make the tank smaller and mount it under there but people already complain about the size of the tank so it would be at the very least unpopular.

We are getting way, way off topic with the original thread here. I wasn't trying to argue about the point, simply expressing my skepticism over its practicality.

Pete

[pauldaytona]

But then you put up a picture of a dyno chart. Why do that if not to try and impress? It had no relevance to the question was of whether or not you could fit an ABS pump.

Perhaps I should be more specific. There is nowhere on a Griso you could easily mount an ABS pump. You could make the tank smaller and mount it under there but people already complain about the size of the tank so it would be at the very least unpopular.

We are getting way, way off topic with the original thread here. I wasn't trying to argue about the point, simply expressing my skepticism over its practicality.

Pete

Pete,

Aprilia mounted the thing in an engine spoiler in another bike.

[Vasco DG]

Yah, the Capo and I think the V4's and Shiver. On the Capo you have to unbolt it to change the oil filter! Absurd! That wouldn't be an issue with the Guzzi engine I suppose but it would still be ugly as!

Pete

[Dogwalker]

But then you put up a picture of a dyno chart. Why do that if not to try and impress? It had no relevance to the question was of whether or not you could fit an ABS pump.

Cause you wrote: "The stock airbox works well, I have no idea as the the benefits or otherwise of the ghastly Alba thingy."

The chart simply shows the benefit you said you had no idea of.

I didn't imagine you'd prefer to continue not having it.

Sorry.

Perhaps I should be more specific. There is nowhere on a Griso you could easily mount an ABS pump.

But "easily" means little for those who assemble the bike. Maybe that, in some location, it would be not easy to dismount it in (the improbable) case repairs are needed. But that would certainly not be the only case. There are bikes you have to extensively dissassemble to change the plugs.

[rocker59]

The Griso is still on the motoguzzi.com and motoguzzi-us.com web sites.

As a 2015, right?

[leafman60]

55HP, 45 FP Torque

Regretfully unimpressive

[pikipiki]

Pete,

Aprilia mounted the thing in an engine spoiler in another bike.

If by engine spoiler you mean belly pan that sounds  dangerous! Like run over some debris / take a hit to the sump - take the braking system out!

[bad Chad]

55HP, 45 FP Torque

Regretfully unimpressive

Where are those numbers coming from?

[Dogwalker]

If by engine spoiler you mean belly pan that sounds  dangerous! Like run over some debris / take a hit to the sump - take the braking system out!

The position maybe less than ideal, but the failure of the ABS doesn't affect the normal braking, and is shown by the warning light.
A lot of bikes have the oil cooler there, in a more exposed positon (since it has to be cooled by fresh air), and it's eventual failure due to a hit is far more dangerous (drop in oil pressure and/or  oil on the rear tyre).

[pauldaytona]

It's just, when they want make an Euro4 abs griso, they can. But we will see.

[pikipiki]

Where are those numbers coming from?

Divide by 750 and times by 850 by the look of things.

[BRIO]

In other news, Maserati just revealed their latest offering. Rich Italian heritage, passion and excellence all combined in this automotive piece of art...

[Sasquatch Jim]

  That looks like a 60s era Volvo.

[rocker59]

  That looks like a 60s era Volvo.

I think that was kinda the point of the sarcasm.

The Volvo to the Maserati is like the Triumph Hurricane is to the V9 Roamer

[Murray]

Oh look another cruiser, let me contain my excitement......... ................... .....YAWN!'

Wonder what size is the Alba fuel tank?

[rocker59]

Wonder what size is the Alba fuel tank?

My guess is 3.5 gallons.

I like big fuel tanks MORE than the average rider.  I love the 5+ gallons of the V7 Special in my garage.

However, I understand that everyone does not need that range.

My last Sportster came to me with 2.25 gallon tank.  I upgraded to 3.25 gallons.  At that time, my riding did not require more than that, and the 150 miles range it provided.  There are millions of motorcyclists in The USA who ride these types of bikes in urban and suburban areas, never going into the countryside.  I know that when I rode Sportsters in Little Rock during my 20s, I didn't travel much, I worked a lot of hours, and I didn't have time for more than commuting and around-town fun.

[Dogwalker]

Wonder what size is the Alba fuel tank?

17 l, 4.4 gallons.

[Murray]

17 l, 4.4 gallons.

Cheers, bit marginal though I like riding not looking for service stations.

[bad Chad]

  That looks like a 60s era Volvo.

You get a pass, as Volvo traditionally looks like a slow boat to China.  That pic is likely an 81-84 Volvo!