Author Topic: Norge bending side stand (PICS) Fixed. (Read 32395 times)

canuguzzi · « **on:** December 15, 2015, 07:03:23 PM »

2013 Norge. Noticed the bike leaning more than usual. Everything tight. The actual sudestand is bending, slowly but surely.

Hopefully the replacement will not bend. It is not the pivot but the long portion itself. No longer using the side stand, it is questionable so center stand only.

Probably the only one bending like that. Never sat in the bike with the side stand down.

PJPR01 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2015, 07:10:58 PM »

How is that even possible...another defect?

blackbuell · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2015, 07:12:08 PM »

Yours is not the only one to bend; I ordered a replacement for mine, as the bike was starting to lean over so far that I had trouble getting it off of the side stand when the bike was fully loaded for long trips.

I plan to weld a 3/4" piece of metal to the foot of the new stand in order to reduce the lean angle when the bike is on the stand. Maybe that will reduce the likelihood of this new one bending, too.

Jon

ohiorider · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2015, 07:12:35 PM »

The side stand on my 1200 Sport (similar to your Norge stand, if not identical) has not bent in 6 seasons of riding, BUT the bike does lean waaay far to the left side, and there's considerable weight placed on it. So much so, it is often difficult to lift off the side stand. I've considered, and think I'll finally follow through on installing a plate shaped like the side stand foot under the foot so that so much bike weight won't be exerted on the side stand. That may be a solution for your bike if/when you install a new stand.

EDIT: sorry, Jon ..... think we posted similar idea simultaneously. Great minds ..... etc, etc! And you're right .... it'll probably require 3/4", or at least a 1/2" shim.

Happy holidays to you and your family!

Bob

canuguzzi · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2015, 07:39:02 PM »

Yes, something to lessen the angle and also something to add strength makes sense. At first I thought I was imagining it. I rarely use the side stand only when I park for a short time which is for coffee breaks and things like that.

I always used a cut piece from a 2*4 under the side stand, it still began to bend more and more. It got to the point that like other comments, it became difficult to push the bike upright. Just looking at it made me cringe so replacement time it is.

I don't know if the side stand is solid or tubing but it isn't strong enough to hold the bike up.

Bike is 15 months old from dealer to me brand new.

ITSec · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2015, 07:55:14 PM »

Can't say I have seen any bending to date - 2008, with 100K on the clock and corresponding use of the side stand as the primary resting device (center stand used about 25% of the time). After having this happen on a non-Guzzi bike some years ago, I tend to keep an occasional eye on where the stand is relative to the left footpeg (when up) as a way of empirically assessing its health.

PJPR01 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2015, 08:18:52 PM »

That does sound defective...no bending on mine since late 2009...and I primarily use the side stand vs. the center stand...

Wonder if the metal used on the newer ones had a defective batch...

canuguzzi · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2015, 08:27:50 PM »

It is bending right where the bend that is part of the design is located. Its getting close to the point where the portion past the bend is close to parallel to the ground when extended and the bike us resting on it. Before the bend, everything seems normal. Dealer verified the bending so I'll see what happens with MG.

With any luck at all they will send Pete's roller upgrade kits to the dealer here to make up for it.

rocker59 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2015, 08:58:36 PM »

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BAT 11 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2015, 09:00:31 PM »

Mine is 2011 Norge. Australia export, so my have different stand. I always use the side stand on day trips. Park up in shed on centre stand. The stand is quite straight, about 50-60 degree angle. Never experienced any bending even when getting on at roadside starts. I have drilled mine at pivot bolt and fitted a split pin for security.

JeffOlson · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2015, 09:03:40 PM »

What happened to the days when we could just lean our bikes against a tree or a wall?

rocker59 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2015, 09:08:21 PM »

Quote from: JeffOlson on December 15, 2015, 09:03:40 PM

What happened to the days when we could just lean our bikes against a tree or a wall?

Ah, the good ol' days...

canuguzzi · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2015, 10:55:00 PM »

Quote from: rocker59 on December 15, 2015, 08:58:36 PM

Click it. You know you want to: http://www.nhtsa.gov/

Not really, it could be just mine or a few. The bike hasn't fallen over and isn't likely to, its more of a nuisance right now. I don't think they changed the design because they knew it was a bad design or goofed manufacture and sent it out anyway.

Not even close to being the same kind of problem unless they all do this over time and so far there is proof they do not and therefore cannot.

If it did affect all of them I can guarantee that in California, they'd all get replaced free of charge, no question about it.

That isn't what is going on though, just a random and infrequent thing.

tris · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2015, 01:38:42 AM »

Am I missing something?

If the side stand is bending doesn't a block of wood/thicker metal plate just delay matters?

Surely you (Moto Guzzi

)need to stiffen the strut itself up - a piece of flat bar welded on edge down its length

blackbuell · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2015, 07:49:41 AM »

tris,

If the lean angle is reduced by a wood block or a piece of metal attached to the foot, there will be less force placed on the stand and it will be less likely to bend.

BTW, when on the side stand, the lean angle on my '09 Norge was always more severe than on any other bike I have owned. The angle had gotten worse over time; it had gotten so bad over the past year that I had used gorilla glue and gorilla tape to secure a 1.5" wooden block to the base of the stand. A few months ago, at a dealership, I compared my stand with that on another Norge; my stand was significantly bent.

Jon

Cool Runnings · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2015, 07:58:53 AM »

Did I purchase a lemon motorcycle?

Rode Japs bikes for years, never had issues (defects/ problems) with any of them - zero

lucian · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2015, 08:06:07 AM »

I am surprised by this. The griso side stand would hold a sherman tank. I agree that they over do the lean angle probably to compensate for morons parking side to on an incline.

Cool Runnings · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2015, 08:08:10 AM »

The center stand on the Norge was placed by a bunch of drunks.

Sasquatch Jim · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2015, 08:27:19 AM »

Don't sit on or lean on the machine when it is on the sidestand.
If you must sit on it use the center stand.

Wayne Orwig · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2015, 09:17:36 AM »

Quote from: rocker59 on December 15, 2015, 08:58:36 PM

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canuguzzi · « **Reply #20 on:** December 16, 2015, 09:23:39 AM »

Quote from: Sasquatch Jim on December 16, 2015, 08:27:19 AM

Don't sit on or lean on the machine when it is on the sidestand.
If you must sit on it use the center stand.

Never sat on the bike while using the side stand, it bent anyway and with very little use. I'm just getting it replaced. If the replacement is the same as what is on there now, I'll have it strengthened and a block put under it to reduce the lean angle.

Not a huge deal but since all there is otherwise are oil threads and ...

JeffOlson · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2015, 09:38:09 AM »

I had a Ducati ST2 once. As I recall, the owner's manual warned against using the side stand for anything other than brief, temporary stops. It also warned against sitting on the bike when on its side stand. I think the risk was possibly damaging the engine casing.

I was pleased when I got my first Norge that I no longer needed to worry about using the sideband. Apparently now I do.

canuguzzi · « **Reply #22 on:** December 16, 2015, 10:18:54 AM »

Might just be mine Jeff, or very limited to a few. You'll know it when it starts, at least after a little while because it continues to bend to where straightening the bike up isn't easy at all and if you happen to have loaded bags and top case, difficult.

Don't worry too much about it, you'll know if it starts to bend.

I don't leave my Norge on the side stand if at all practical.

JeffOlson · « **Reply #23 on:** December 16, 2015, 10:29:38 AM »

Quote from: Norge Pilot on December 16, 2015, 10:18:54 AM

Might just be mine Jeff, or very limited to a few. You'll know it when it starts, at least after a little while because it continues to bend to where straightening the bike up isn't easy at all and if you happen to have loaded bags and top case, difficult.

Don't worry too much about it, you'll know if it starts to bend.

I don't leave my Norge on the side stand if at all practical.

I will keep an eye on it!

Where I live (on a farm), the side stand is imperative. No garage, no concrete or asphalt--only bumpy ground that is covered with dirt, grass, or gravel. I use the center stand only temporarily, and only when I am around the bike, and only when the ground is dry or when I am on a flat patch of gravel. Then it is back to the side stand for safety reasons.

canuguzzi · « **Reply #24 on:** December 16, 2015, 11:09:35 AM »

If you park it in the same place around the house, a couple bags of concrete in a dug out hole gives you a nice place for center stand use.set it an inch below grade and flop a piece of PT plywood on it. Use the fiber reinforced stuff so no rebar or wire needed. Just put the stuff into the hole, add a falling and 3/4 of water, mix with a shovel if you want and walk away. Ready to use in 24 hours.

jacksonracingcomau · « **Reply #25 on:** December 16, 2015, 06:20:28 PM »

Using your brilliant analogy
Whose legs give up first, cheerleader or fat chick?
Leg is not really the problem, just a symptom , new leg might hold up, might not. Something has to give somewhere, even without anything in boxes bike is carrying far more weight than orig stand and chassis designer intended.
Later 1400 was designed with weight intended, if they don't stand up, there is a problem.

canuguzzi · « **Reply #26 on:** December 17, 2015, 12:31:19 AM »

Went to look again and MG did weld a reinforcement strip going down from the pivot area of the stand leg. The bending takes place where that strip of welded material is thinnest.

Maybe the welded material needed to be thicker and longer. New one will get a longer thicker strip welded on and the stand leg extended a bit with a foot welded to the bottom. That should do it.

ITSec · « **Reply #27 on:** December 17, 2015, 05:35:18 PM »

Quote from: Cool Runnings on December 16, 2015, 07:58:53 AM

Did I purchase a lemon motorcycle?

Rode Japs bikes for years, never had issues (defects/ problems) with any of them - zero

The bending sidestand I mentioned earlier was on a Japanese bike - and was a common problem on earlier V-Stroms, as was the footpeg of the center-stand breaking off. As for other quality issues, ask a GoldWing owner about recalls. All bikes can have problems, and some of them do, in spades. The source is largely immaterial.

canuguzzi · « **Reply #28 on:** December 29, 2015, 06:09:33 PM »

Parked it outside the garage just to take some pics. It had already started to bend before and claim is in for replacement.

Damn if during the afternoon the thing didn't bend more. A 2x4 isn't even enough to keep it safely upright anymore IMO.

Maybe they forgot to heat treat the stand? Scary. On the center stand, the tip of the side stand is now 7.5" from flat concrete.

Never sat on it while on the side stand, always loaded luggage on center stand. Rarely used the side stand, only when option to use center stand was not practical.

Looks to be bending right where the strengthening tab is welded on (closest to frame)

Crap, Batman.

Chuck in Indiana · « **Reply #29 on:** December 29, 2015, 07:15:58 PM »

You're *sure* the bolts are tight, right?

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