What is more attractive to you about the Guzzi V-twin vs. the Harley V-twin

[kingoffleece]

That's well said.  The bikes may be a one trick pony but the excel at that trick.

[Kev m]

The ___________ may be a one trick pony but the excel at that trick.

Fixored - you can say that about a lot of different bikes, and the more SPORT you put into a bike, the more that's true too.

[rocker59]

Fixored - you can say that about a lot of different bikes, and the more SPORT you put into a bike, the more that's true too.

Yep.  Ducati Panigale being a shining example of a bike at the opposite end from Ultra Classic Electra Glide.

[redrider90]

From this website  .http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2015_01PerfIndex.pdf
 Looks like Guzzi's 1/4 mile times do fairly well against HD.

[LowRyter]

Well, I stand corrected.  It does appear that the Griso will run with a VRod.  The Stelvio and my Sport aren't far off the VRod either. 

[cruzziguzzi]

Well, I stand corrected.  It does appear that the Griso will run with a VRod.  The Stelvio and my Sport aren't far off the VRod either.

Color me shocked as well.

Then though, I've always thought the entire V-Rod concept was underserved by the HD faithful. Fear of that which is new and unusual and all that jazz. Probably a hell of a lot more post purchase power potential to the V-Rod than the pasta contingent can muster.


Todd.

[Cool Runnings]

The 8V big block pulls like a FJR. 

[LowRyter]

The 8V big block pulls like a FJR. 

I sorta agree, until the 8v gets into redline and 4 cyl bikes go on for another 3k of full power.

[Kev m]

From this website  .http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2015_01PerfIndex.pdf
 Looks like Guzzi's 1/4 mile times do fairly well against HD.

Is this a surprise?

I mean, smaller/lighter/more sport oriented Guzzi models (especially 4V/Cyl ones) do better than larger, heavier 2V pushrod Harleys (especially since most of what you show are touring bikes or mid-to-late 1990's models?

I guess I'm missing the headline here?

[giusto]

It's like comparing Gina Lollobrigida to Rachel Welch! I like them both....but

I'm partial to Italian things

oh and Guzzi's have nice jugs

and if my old Harley wasn't leaking oil I knew it had none

[motrhead]

 Those Soft tail times are old small engine versions. The models from the last 5 years are much quicker and faster.  But yeah, my Stelvio 4v should still beat them. It is faster in my experience.
 All it means is Harleys are not "slow". Like I said, very comparable to the Guzzi line, ans just as comfy for long distance riding as the Guzzis. Not everyone's cup of tea, but they are their own very nice experience.

[oldbike54]

 Uh , using MG's as a benchmark doesn't mean HD's are fast 

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  Dusty

[Kev m]

Uh , using MG's as a benchmark doesn't mean HD's are fast 

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  Dusty

Omfg haven't we covered this enough...

[oldbike54]

Omfg haven't we covered this enough...

 I have ridden fast bikes , MG's and HD's aren't fast , sorry Kev .

  Dusty

[mjptexas]

From this website  .http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2015_01PerfIndex.pdf
 Looks like Guzzi's 1/4 mile times do fairly well against HD.

Somethings not right about some of these numbers. 
- I've got a XL1200C.  The table says it will top out at 124 mph - MAYBE if you run it off a 200 ft cliff, but it sure as hell won't do it on a straight road. Best I've seen is 110 mph, downhill with the wind at my back.
- I'm pretty sure my Cali 1400 will take the XL1200c in a 1/4 mile too.  Guess I'll need to check that out.

[mjptexas]

I have ridden fast bikes , MG's and HD's aren't fast , sorry Kev .

  Dusty

Dusty's right about this one.

[motrhead]

Define fast! We were comparing Harley and Guzzi V twins.  I think they compare well. I enjoy both. I stand by calling V-rods and Buells fast, and both are Harley engines.

[mjptexas]

Define fast! We were comparing Harley and Guzzi V twins.  I think they compare well. I enjoy both. I stand by calling V-rods and Buells fast, and both are Harley engines.

155 mph

[Kev m]

I have ridden fast bikes , MG's and HD's aren't fast , sorry Kev .

  Dusty

Again, asked and answered 100x.

It's all relative.

Fast compared to Sportbikes or superbikes, or supercars or hypercars?

NO JUST NO, BUT HELL NO. Of course not.

Fast compared to average cars and even hot hatches? Yeah. Even a V7 can run similar 1/4 to a WRX which is no slouch.

But I don't think a single person here was suggesting the first.

[oldbike54]

Dusty's right about this one.

 

Define fast! We were comparing Harley and Guzzi V twins.  I think they compare well. I enjoy both. I stand by calling V-rods and Buells fast, and both are Harley engines.

 

Again, asked and answered 100x.



It's all relative.



Fast compared to Sportbikes or superbikes, or supercars or supercars?



Of course not.



Fast compared to average cars and even hour hatches? Yeah. Even a V7 can run similar 1/4 to a
WRX which is no slouch.


But I don't think a single prison here was suggesting the first.

  Nope , fast is fast . Nothing relative about it . Fast for a cruiser bike means nothing . Of course , compared to a Top Fueler most everything is slow , so ... Still , a 1700 CC motorbike that will barely outperform a good running 650 CC Brit bike from 1968 is underwhelming . Not saying anyone needs a fast bike , or that a slow bike isn't fun , but slow is slow .

  Dusty

[LowRyter]

RPMs

[Kev m]

 
  Nope , fast is fast . Nothing relative about it . Fast for a cruiser bike means nothing . Of course , compared to a Top Fueler most everything is slow

Complete and utter BS.

Fast is by definition subjective.

No production speedo reads "Fast".

You don't even get further than your fourth sentence before you admit the subjective nature of the term.

[oldbike54]

Complete and utter BS.

Fast is by definition subjective.

No production speedo reads "Fast".

You don't even get further than your fourth sentence before you admit the subjective nature of the term.

 So the guy who told me his 1600 CC Star was fast was correct ? Compared to what , a Honda Super Cub ? Sorry , HD's and MG's are not fast . Heck , even a SV 650 will leave one for dead .
A fast bike will almost take the rider's breath away , not something any HD is capable of .

  Dusty

[Kev m]

So the guy who told me his 1600 CC Star was fast was correct ? Compared to what , a Honda Super Cub ? Sorry , HD's and MG's are not fast . Heck , even a SV 650 will leave one for dead .
A fast bike will almost take the rider's breath away , not something any HD is capable of .

  Dusty

Two answerers:

1. Who cares?

2. Many things can take my breath away, starting with a beautiful woman, a motorcycle whose most important attribute is speed will be pretty far down the list.

[Bonafide Bob]

 You two keep this up and a moderator is going to give you a time out.;-)

[motrhead]

My FZ750 Yamaha with Kerker/Supertrapp K&N and a tune still doesn't quite break into the 10s, but it is fast! 150mph is plenty fast for me. My RZ350F2 372cc bike running 12s feels fast...and that thing at 125 mph is an experience! LOL. It is subjective.
Personally, anything that won't run 12s doesn't make a quick rating, but about 125-130mph is fast to me. But then I didn't grow up with an R1 or Hayabusa...lol

[oldbike54]

Two answerers:

1. Who cares?

2. Many things can take my breath away, starting with a beautiful woman, a motorcycle whose most important attribute is speed will be pretty far down the list.

 Aw c'mon Kev , you can't back out now  No , I don't particularly care , but some do . Will admit that a modern superbike is a hoot , opening the throttle at 100 MPH in third gear and holding it open until about 170 MPH , while completely stupid , is a major rush . No one needs that level of performance , but whoo Hoo 

  Dusty

[Kev m]

I know you're just trying to keep this interesting thread alone.

I also know from our conversations that you understand simply riding a Moto Guzzi or a Harley means you know there are plenty of pleasures to be had on bikes that aren't a top dog.

[oldbike54]

RPMs

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  Dusty

[lucian]

Nothing subjective about fast and slow. Fast is ahead of you and slow is behind every single time. :Beating_A_Dead_Hors e_by_liviu