Author Topic: V7 Maps (Read 34103 times)

Zinfan · « **Reply #30 on:** May 30, 2016, 01:39:13 PM »

I also have a question. My '13 V7 has a map from Todd at GuzziTech installed and I would like to in essence back it up and try the newer MG maps but still retain the ability to reload the Todd map. Now I must state that the map in my bike is Todd's IP so I can't in good conscience distribute it to anybody so I won't be doing that. Would I be able to do the backup/reinstall using guzzidiag?

rbm · « **Reply #31 on:** May 30, 2016, 02:26:55 PM »

Todd sells a reflash tool in his store specifically for that purpose. You might want to contact him to see what can be done. Backing up his IP using other means might be against an EULA you might have signed with GT.

Zinfan · « **Reply #32 on:** May 30, 2016, 03:27:43 PM »

Quote from: rbm on May 30, 2016, 02:26:55 PM

Todd sells a reflash tool in his store specifically for that purpose. You might want to contact him to see what can be done. Backing up his IP using other means might be against an EULA you might have signed with GT.

I signed nothing!!

seriously though Todd's new tool is very cool and maybe I'd look at that but I payed for my map up front but didn't sign up for a locked in system whereby I can't test out other maps as well unless I pay for a ECU reader.

If as you propose I may not be able to backup my bike's map so then how would I go about testing a stock or guzzidiag produced map? Just delete the Todd one and hope for the best? Or now I have to use the GuzziTech stuff if I want changes? I see no issue if I keep a backup map (if possible) but do not distribute it to anyone thus keeping Todd's work safe and also keeping the info I payed for available to me.

I'll contact Todd about it and I'm also curious to see if he has updated his maps from when I got my reflash done years ago (July '14)

beetle · « **Reply #33 on:** May 30, 2016, 04:26:59 PM »

I don't see how making a backup of that map with the MIUG3 reader from GuzziDiag will be an issue? As you say, if you do not share with anyone you won't be violating anything.

Zinfan · « **Reply #34 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:17:22 PM »

Quote from: beetle on May 30, 2016, 04:26:59 PM

I don't see how making a backup of that map with the MIUG3 reader from GuzziDiag will be an issue? As you say, if you do not share with anyone you won't be violating anything.

Thanks beetle, I did email Todd to get his opinion. I have the cables on order now so hope to be trying out maps soon. I do have Todd's 2:2 exhaust with no lambda sensors so I'm curious to see how that affects the mapping.

beetle · « **Reply #35 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:45:03 PM »

Don't try any factory maps without turning lambda off in the map first, otherwise you'll get a service warning.

Zinfan · « **Reply #36 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:49:18 PM »

Ahh thanks for that, I'm new to this.

pauldaytona · « **Reply #37 on:** May 31, 2016, 05:02:45 AM »

I'm not shure about it, but I remember Tod making a lot of fuss against guzzidiag because he was anxious that people would read his maps and distribute. Or even might read them and see what he changed:-).
And it could be that in a reader from a certain version is a lock to read guzzitech maps. I'll ask it.
Normally you could read the GT map, back it up, and try something else, and after that go back to the GT map.

pauldaytona · « **Reply #38 on:** May 31, 2016, 03:56:48 PM »

I checked, never was build so you can download the GT map, try the guzzi map, pm me your emailaddress if you need one, and what bike it is for exactly, wet alternator? And you can alwats use the GT map again, or get a step further and mix and match both maps to get your own.

Zinfan · « **Reply #39 on:** May 31, 2016, 08:06:54 PM »

Mine's a '13 dry alt V7 Stone. Todd got back to me and said he had no issue with me backing up the map as long as I didn't distribute it. He also said he would update my current map for free when next I'm down in the area so I'll probably do that. Thanks all, I don't have the cables yet but they are on order.

miticoromi · « **Reply #40 on:** June 16, 2016, 10:32:30 AM »

Hi guys i am new starting from today and i am from Italy. I own a Moto Guzzi V7 Racer model year 2014 with oil generator. Some considerations: the maps you told for the V7 are the same for american models and european models? if not what is the risk to install an US map/software on an European model?? i am near to installing the software 352BV737 with MIU G3 Writer from Guzzidiag (thanks to Bernd) in order to eliminate bad coldstart behaviour (waiting for the OBD/USB cable) Do you have others maps modified with Tunerpro for V7 with installed aftermarket airfilter and opened exhaust with or without lambdas?
furthermore i tell you what i know, perhaps you will already know these things but i tell you however: i learned that a map is not the software.
A map is means a data table which is combined with the software. so if you install a new software like 352BV737 or other you need to do a TPS reset and a reset of the self learning parameters using Guzzidiag software. Instead if it is the same software with only modified maps, you need nothing to do.
hoping to give a little help with my little experience....

Gunnar · « **Reply #41 on:** June 17, 2016, 06:57:42 AM »

Quote from: miticoromi on June 16, 2016, 10:32:30 AM

Do you have others maps modified with Tunerpro for V7 with installed aftermarket airfilter and opened exhaust with or without lambdas?

PM Beetle, he is helping me with a map for aftermarket filter and exhaust.

pauldaytona · « **Reply #42 on:** June 17, 2016, 07:03:21 AM »

Quote from: miticoromi on June 16, 2016, 10:32:30 AM

Hi guys i am new starting from today and i am from Italy. I own a Moto Guzzi V7 Racer model year 2014 with oil generator. Some considerations: the maps you told for the V7 are the same for american models and european models? if not what is the risk to install an US map/software on an European model??

If they were different they had a different number/id. And they don't. Only for japan they are different, with the v7.

Dave Swanson · « **Reply #43 on:** June 17, 2016, 07:32:22 AM »

I loaded Mark's map to my 2015 V7 Special last night. I was thinking the stock map was fairly tolerable until riding it with the new map! Wow, the map is so good! The engine seems to be in a perfect state of tune now. The difference is very noticeable.

Although I know Beetle's map for the V7 with Mistrals/ et al, will be just as good, the way it runs now with the stock exhaust is so satisfying I may never plunk down the dosh for the Mistrals.

pete roper · « **Reply #44 on:** June 17, 2016, 07:53:42 AM »

There are plenty of reasons to change a pipe or pipes. Making noise simply for the sake of it isn't one of them. The Heron Head smallblocks are very hard to get meaningful power increases out of, (As, incidentally, are the 8V's!). You can make them a lot more pleasant to ride but aftermarket air filters and loud pipes won't make them run better, nor will they increase your chances of a sweaty assignation with a member of the opposite sex, or the same sex if you are that way inclined.

Dave may well decide to stump up for the Mistrals, I actually think that Mistral make a bloody fine pipe and they seem to have been built with at least a little bit of thought beyond what they look like, but really? It's a lot of good money that could be spent on what really needs fixing on a V7 which is the bloody, godawful, suspension!

Pete

Dave Swanson · « **Reply #45 on:** June 17, 2016, 08:13:15 AM »

Agreed Pete. I can already tell that a fruitier exhaust note is down the priority list. Suspension improvements are at the top.

miticoromi · « **Reply #46 on:** June 17, 2016, 11:05:47 AM »

Quote from: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 06:57:42 AM

PM Beetle, he is helping me with a map for aftermarket filter and exhaust.

thanks Gunnar i will try.....do you have the modified map installed? how is it? good?

Gunnar · « **Reply #47 on:** June 17, 2016, 01:57:37 PM »

Quote from: miticoromi on June 17, 2016, 11:05:47 AM

thanks Gunnar i will try.....do you have the modified map installed? how is it? good?

In my case on the 2015 itÂ´s work in progress, but still great improvements compared to the factory map. With a model 2014 you should be totally fine.

miticoromi · « **Reply #48 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:14:22 PM »

Quote from: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 01:57:37 PM

In my case on the 2015 it�s work in progress, but still great improvements compared to the factory map. With a model 2014 you should be totally fine.

why with my 2014 i should be totally fine? please explain me better if you can...thanks
another question: with modified map you disable the 2 lambdas?

Gunnar · « **Reply #49 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:24:02 PM »

Quote from: miticoromi on June 17, 2016, 04:14:22 PM

why with my 2014 i should be totally fine? please explain me better if you can...thanks
another question: with modified map you disable the 2 lambdas?

ItÂ´s a different bike and different map. As far as I know my stalling issues on down hill are only experienced on V7 II. I believe that the lambdas will get ignored in a custom map, but you should confirm with the experts.

miticoromi · « **Reply #50 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:27:25 PM »

Quote from: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 04:24:02 PM

It´s a different bike and different map. As far as I know my stalling issues on down hill are only experienced on V7 II. I believe that the lambdas will get ignored in a custom map, but you should confirm with the experts.

ok thanks clear now..no my bike hasn'y issues on downhill but only on cold start.....i send a PM to beetle hoping he will reply to me...thanks again

Gunnar · « **Reply #51 on:** June 17, 2016, 04:30:13 PM »

You'll be in the very best hands :)

miticoromi · « **Reply #52 on:** June 17, 2016, 05:00:48 PM »

Quote from: Gunnar on June 17, 2016, 04:30:13 PM

You'll be in the very best hands :)

here is my baby...

pete roper · « **Reply #53 on:** June 17, 2016, 05:21:33 PM »

The V7-II has a variety of features like ABS and Traction Control which are controlled by the ECU. Because of this the way it interprets inputs and reacts to them is different from the earlier bikes so changes that *Work* well with the earlier models may not work or will cause different reactions in the later ones.

Pete

MorenoB · « **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2016, 04:02:33 AM »

Hi everybody!

I have a oil (wet) stator V7 (MY2014- Europe) and, thanks to GuzziDiag, I just discovered that my bike has still the old "3523" map. Indeed, my bike works quite good... :-)

Is there someone around here that could send me the "new" 352BV737 map, many thanks

Dofin · « **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2016, 08:35:37 AM »

All this information is Very interesting and VERY confusing. So very confusing when actually trying to figure out which engine and map is in a specific year? I have a 2015 V7 stone, I am just guessing it is the wet Alt. (opposed to a DRY Alt??) I do have the cold start issues and the 3.5-4k stagger and engine vibration in higher RPMs.

I just got my Lonelec cables and installed the Guzzidiag aps, sort of did a test run on my computer to see if I can get the cable recognized and turn on the apps. Looks like I am ready to READ my ECU to see which map my V7 actually has installed.

Bit rainy and hot so when its nicer I'm Going to have the bike hooked to a back up battery so I wont have to worry about running the battery down and Lap top on AC power as well. See how it goes?

Any reason to have the engine up to operating temp before hooking up the Diagnostics?

Yard Sale · « **Reply #56 on:** September 01, 2016, 04:17:16 PM »

Are there any maps (compatible with guzzidiag/writer) for the dual throttle body 15RC small blocks? I have a Breva 750 that shows signs of being lean.

pauldaytona · « **Reply #57 on:** September 01, 2016, 05:12:09 PM »

Quote from: Dofin on July 11, 2016, 08:35:37 AM

Any reason to have the engine up to operating temp before hooking up the Diagnostics?

No just cold.

Dofin · « **Reply #58 on:** September 01, 2016, 05:59:09 PM »

Thanks for the engine warm up answer.

bobdog · « **Reply #59 on:** September 02, 2016, 04:14:03 PM »

Yes it is easy. You need a windows PC and a USB ODB2 interface (look on ebay about $15) and the map which you can get from the guy that runs the guzzi diag page.

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Author Topic: V7 Maps (Read 34103 times)

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