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One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« on: February 01, 2016, 05:18:48 AM »

Reply #170 of the V9 Thread over at ADVRider:

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"Why doesn't Guzzi make a modern T3?"
-Because they'd sell 50.

"Why doesn't Guzzi design an entirely new engine, mount Ohlins front and rear, put it in the V7 and charge $6,000 for it?"(asked by every Guzzi rider who hasn't bought a new motorcycle in the last 40 years.)
-Because....don't be stupid.

"Why don't the V7 and V9 have radial sport bike tires?"
-Because the bikes have 40hp, they're retro/vintage standards and they wouldn't suit the bikes any more than spooning knobbies on them would.

"Why doesn't Guzzi listen to us? Why are they making a Sportster knock off instead of what WE want?"(again....asked by every Guzzi rider who hasn't bought a new motorcycle in the last 40 years.)
-1)You fuckers don't buy new Guzzis so go back to discussing your love of steel cut oats(a real, incredibly long thread on a Guzzi forum)
-2)Pick any major city in the US. Harley sells more Sportsters in that one city than Guzzi sells total bikes, worldwide. Getting just a fraction of a percentage of that market niche could easily double Guzzis sales.
-3)Guzzi is not a museum dedicated to the mastubatory delights of grizzled old fuckers WHO DO NOT BUY NEW BIKES. It's a business.

The V7 and V9 capitalize on the retro/vintage market urge without requiring large investment from Guzzi. It's an incremental market plan that makes sense for a firm that has teetered on the brink of collapse for 95 years. I'd have loved it if the V9 Bobber had 60-70 hp(like a 1200 Sportster). I understand why it doesn't though.

link to thread (login required): http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2016-moto-guzzi-v9.1105499/page-9#post-28571424

No offense, but, I have to admit, this guy is pretty spot on in his take on Guzzi owners/riders.
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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2016, 05:32:27 AM »
LOL

Well I guess that leaves more oats for the rest of us.

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2016, 05:55:07 AM »
John in VT used to be a regular here.

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2016, 06:29:38 AM »
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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 06:32:01 AM »
What can I say. I yam what I yam.  :grin: That posting is funny but did hit kind of close to home.
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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2016, 06:52:37 AM »
John in VT used to be a regular here.

YUP, not an outsider.

But I can't argue with much of what he said there.
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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2016, 06:55:41 AM »
Whilst I'm sure there exists a good market in Harley clones any brand with any credibility needs to preserve its own identity. For Guzzi that means always offering a at least one bike like the Griso

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2016, 08:34:58 AM »
"...-1)You f****** don't buy new Guzzis so go back to discussing your love of steel cut oats(a real, incredibly long thread on a Guzzi forum)"

Now wait just a minute!  That crosses the line!!!!

You'd do well to try a hot bowl of steel-cut oats!

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2016, 09:21:01 AM »
"...-1)You f****** don't buy new Guzzis so go back to discussing your love of steel cut oats(a real, incredibly long thread on a Guzzi forum)"

Now wait just a minute!  That crosses the line!!!!

You'd do well to try a hot bowl of steel-cut oats!

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Absolutely. He sounds like he might be a little bound up.  :smiley: I'm sure that you've never bought a new Guzzi, anyway.
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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2016, 09:26:16 AM »
He's got a lot of good points.
 :thumb:

(Still think the V9 is F'ugly, cant even imagine Hog riders liking them.)

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2016, 09:34:02 AM »
Whilst I'm sure there exists a good market in Harley clones any brand with any credibility needs to preserve its own identity. For Guzzi that means always offering a at least one bike like the Griso

Shit ..... that kinda made me feel good    :laugh:.......... I'm gonna go with Pikipiki on this one.

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2016, 10:03:17 AM »
Actually read the whole thread and there are several good points in there.  I think John started to get wound up on the whole "why doesn't Guzzi  build the MGS-01 instead" comment earlier in the thread.

I've been pondering another bike for a while now so I guess I am "the problem."  I did try to go to the dealer and buy one but it's hard to do when you know that there are excellent, low miles bikes out there that can be had for half price.  And that's half of the discounted price on holdover bikes; the dealer near me has one '13 and two '14 Norge still sitting in his shop.  I guess we've just been conditioned to eat steal cut oats and bottom feed Guzzi bikes!


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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 10:15:56 AM »
I've been pondering another bike for a while now so I guess I am "the problem."  I did try to go to the dealer and buy one but it's hard to do when you know that there are excellent, low miles bikes out there that can be had for half price.  And that's half of the discounted price on holdover bikes; the dealer near me has one '13 and two '14 Norge still sitting in his shop.  I guess we've just been conditioned to eat steal cut oats and bottom feed Guzzi bikes!

I have to confess, I'm part of the problem, with my latest purchase, my $5,200 976 mile 2014 V7 Special, but, I was really helping, buy taking it off the market, thus preventing someone else from buying it instead of a new one.   Yeah, that's the ticket  :thumb:
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2016, 10:23:34 AM »
I have only purchased two new Guzzi's, an 07 Norge, and a 03 Lemans and I only purchased the Lemans after trying to buy an MGS-01 but was told by the local dealer that it was a no go. A recent exchange with someone from Moto International informed me that they could have gotten one during that time, which makes me even more aggravated with the dealers. The V9 isn't even a blip on my screen. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2016, 10:29:46 AM »
A lot of insults around lately and knocking people for not buying new bikes, being criminals when legally trying to obtain a titles, etc. What's going on?

I joined this forum to get some questions answered on restoring an old Moto Guzzi, and it's been great. Now all of a sudden a lot of accusations of us bringing the Moto Guzzi company down to its knees because the x-number or people here don't buy new, really?

It's not my job to keep Guzzi alive and well. I don't get a paycheck, no royalties, nothing. Does anyone here?

If they can't make it, not my problem. I'll happily stick with my vintage Moto Guzzi, which is exactly what I wanted. If I wanted a new one, I would have bough a new one.

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2016, 10:41:36 AM »
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Ride a (cheap) KLR650 the rest of the time.

Got over that new bike depreciation thing about 12 years ago, don't really see going back - however the Royal Enfield Himalayan that's getting introduced tomorrow has me interested.

Now, the steel cut oats thing - no thanks.

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2016, 10:42:50 AM »
A lot of insults around lately and knocking people for not buying new bikes, being criminals when legally trying to obtain a titles, etc. What's going on?

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If they can't make it, not my problem. I'll happily stick with my vintage Moto Guzzi, which is exactly what I wanted. If I wanted a new one, I would have bough a new one.

I need my coffee now, I'm cranky  :coffee:

The point of the post is that many who were talking down the V9 and judging what Moto Guzzi (as a company) should do or not do have never, and likely will never buy a new one.   These people shouldn't expect Guzzi to build bikes that they say should.

However, speaking as someone who has never bought a new Guzzi, I came close, but, found a great deal on a used one.    That doesn't mean that I'll never buy a new one (I did buy a new Ducati last year).

I love both my V7's (a Special and a Racer), but, if Guzzi builds V7 Racer type bike with a good suspension out of the box, and 70 HP, I'd probably buy it.     But, for now, they don't.  The new Thruxton R really pulls at me, and is the bike on the market right now that I'm most likely to buy.

Do I think Guzzi will build it?   No.   Do I blame them?   No.  It would probably sell in small enough numbers to not make it worth the EPA certification, let alone the development costs.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2016, 10:43:49 AM »
 Isn't Vermont about the size of a McDonalds with a population of less than 100 ? :evil: C'mon John , I've heard better insults from an 85 year old woman with a bad knee  :laugh:

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2016, 10:48:12 AM »
From the advrider thread by rocker59:

<<When the V7s get the new engine for 2017, your choice may be easier.>>

What is the source or rationale for this prediction? Why would Guzzi spend the resources to develop a brand new platform (the V9s), then turn around and cannibalize its sales by dropping its motor into a predecessor model?

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2016, 10:50:39 AM »
A lot of insults around lately and knocking people for not buying new bikes, being criminals when legally trying to obtain a titles, etc. What's going on?

I joined this forum to get some questions answered on restoring an old Moto Guzzi, and it's been great. Now all of a sudden a lot of accusations of us bringing the Moto Guzzi company down to its knees because the x-number or people here don't buy new, really?

It's not my job to keep Guzzi alive and well. I don't get a paycheck, no royalties, nothing. Does anyone here?

If they can't make it, not my problem. I'll happily stick with my vintage Moto Guzzi, which is exactly what I wanted. If I wanted a new one, I would have bough a new one.

I need my coffee now, I'm cranky  :coffee:

I think the insults in this case are being cast towards those who don't buy new Guzzis (and probably never will) BUT WHO FEEL THE NEED TO CONSTANTLY WHINE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY AREN'T BEING CATERED TO.

Feel free to never buy a new one. But purchases are voting with your dollars and if you don't vote, don't bitch.

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2016, 10:52:30 AM »
From the advrider thread by rocker59:

<<When the V7s get the new engine for 2017, your choice may be easier.>>

What is the source or rationale for this prediction? Why would Guzzi spend the resources to develop a brand new platform (the V9s), then turn around and cannibalize its sales by dropping its motor into a predecessor model?

In the previous discussions it has always come down to the next level of EU emissions standards and a belief that the Heron V7 can't be brought into compliance, but the new V9 motor already is.

We were left with a pretty clear impression that a V9 Stone/Special/Racer of some sorts will appear next.
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2016, 10:55:22 AM »
 Mr Carlson is looking for rationale on WG  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2016, 10:56:12 AM »
From the advrider thread by rocker59:

<<When the V7s get the new engine for 2017, your choice may be easier.>>

What is the source or rationale for this prediction? Why would Guzzi spend the resources to develop a brand new platform (the V9s), then turn around and cannibalize its sales by dropping its motor into a predecessor model?

Very near future Euro emissions regs, (2017?) I believe.  The V7 is still their best-seller, so they'll need to keep it in the lineup somehow.  Dropping in the V9 motor would seem to be the easiest way to do that.

Doh!  Kev m beat me to it...
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2016, 10:56:54 AM »
John isn't an outsider and he still writes the same sort of thing he always did here.

No it isn't our job to support Guzzi.

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2016, 10:59:38 AM »
I like plain donuts.


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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2016, 11:04:10 AM »
I bought my (new) Guzzis when it was still Guzzi De Tomaso/Maserati, I have no desire to buy a Piaggio.  :evil:
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2016, 11:18:45 AM »
  I guess that I am one of the strangest of us.  The two MotoGuzzis I bought were both brand new.
 Well, almost.  One of them was a left over new.

 But in my own defense, if the dealers wouldn't hold them over we wouldn't buy them that way.
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2016, 11:24:57 AM »
I think the insults in this case are being cast towards those who don't buy new Guzzis (and probably never will) BUT WHO FEEL THE NEED TO CONSTANTLY WHINE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY AREN'T BEING CATERED TO.

Feel free to never buy a new one. But a purchases are voting with your dollars and if you don't vote, don't bitch.

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I agree.

Nothing wrong with owning and enjoying an older Guzzi(of which I have three) but I get somewhat tired of reading how the new ones are NG, when I have over 70K miles on new bikes that I don't have to fuddle with points and carbs.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2016, 11:38:33 AM »
 Good grief , John in VT hasn't been active here in almost a year and a half and decides to toss a bomb over on ADVrider . Dang fellas , sounds like he hit his target . Why would we care is the real question .

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Re: One outsider's view on us here at WildGuzzi
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2016, 11:52:03 AM »
Just a newbie here, but feel right at home.

Bought a '96 EV11 cheap.
Ride a (cheap) KLR650 the rest of the time.

Got over that new bike depreciation thing about 12 years ago, don't really see going back - however the Royal Enfield Himalayan that's getting introduced tomorrow has me interested.

Now, the steel cut oats thing - no thanks.

Welcome to WG, but don't automatically dismiss the steel cut oats.  :cool: :boozing: We can't take this place too seriously..
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